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TCAS fan has it spot on.
Apparently being sold to Ferrovial.
I have always said it would be far better for BOH and SOU to operate in a complimentary fashion rather than competing for pax in such a limited catchment.
Between them, SOU and BOH should be handling 6m pax a year together if you look at catchment similarities with BRS.
Apparently being sold to Ferrovial.
I have always said it would be far better for BOH and SOU to operate in a complimentary fashion rather than competing for pax in such a limited catchment.
Between them, SOU and BOH should be handling 6m pax a year together if you look at catchment similarities with BRS.
Nakata - what do you mean by BOH and SOU operating in complementary fashion ?
If you mean one company owning both airports, wouldn't this just lead to th South Coast Airports Authority operating as a monopoly like BAA used to ?
If you mean one company owning both airports, wouldn't this just lead to th South Coast Airports Authority operating as a monopoly like BAA used to ?
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Would love to see BOH/SOU work in a partnership..as they are very different airports...they both have their own individual drawbacks..SOU, runway length and apron capacity, BOH transport links. Neither of those are cheap fixes and not likely to see much improvement in the next 10/15 years ( The upgrading of the A338 Spur road will have a negligible effect.).
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The new airline planned for London City, Odyssey, are looking at other airports to 'open up'. Should they actually make it to the sky, the C Series is the plane to make Southampton really international. Old article.
Odyssey Looks Beyond London City With CSeries | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week
Odyssey Looks Beyond London City With CSeries | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week
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Another month gone by and no news really , very quiet on this front
July passenger figures showed 83 , 371 passengers pass through the airport down 2 . 6 % on last July . Exeter and Southampton showed good increases however
Thomson averaged 90 % loads on all flights , with Palma again being the most popular route with a huge 15 , 855 passengers using the route
Disapointing news is that Thomson are dropping the Monastir route for next summer , they obviously dont give it much time to sell as only went on in April
July passenger figures showed 83 , 371 passengers pass through the airport down 2 . 6 % on last July . Exeter and Southampton showed good increases however
Thomson averaged 90 % loads on all flights , with Palma again being the most popular route with a huge 15 , 855 passengers using the route
Disapointing news is that Thomson are dropping the Monastir route for next summer , they obviously dont give it much time to sell as only went on in April
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Thomson hasn't flown to Monastir since 2009. I think you mean Enfidha.
Looking at the website I can't see anything operating to Tunisia this summer. However, that route will be operated by Nouvelair in S15, so you are actually one flight per week better off next summer.
Looking at the website I can't see anything operating to Tunisia this summer. However, that route will be operated by Nouvelair in S15, so you are actually one flight per week better off next summer.
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Yep your right i meant Enfidha ( not Monastir )
Unfortuntaly the flight has been pulled ( last month apparently ) for summer 15 however its still be showing on the web site though
Unfortuntaly the flight has been pulled ( last month apparently ) for summer 15 however its still be showing on the web site though
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I think BOH has settled into its " level" regarding passenger services. Cannot see any real demand for much more than is on offer. Possibly a Polish route but FR and Wizzair did not seem to get that to work. As keeps being mentioned would need to be huge investment in transport infrastructure and that is not going to happen.
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After a few years now of ski flights just to Turin and Geneva a new ski operator is launching new ski flights to Berne from Bournemouth
The flights start on January 18 th for 6 weeks operating on a Sunday at 1400 - 1445 with an airline called Inter sky using ATR 72 a/c
The ski company is Topskiswiss part of the Oska group who have been operating flights to Antalya this year
Fingers crossed for a sucessful start
The flights start on January 18 th for 6 weeks operating on a Sunday at 1400 - 1445 with an airline called Inter sky using ATR 72 a/c
The ski company is Topskiswiss part of the Oska group who have been operating flights to Antalya this year
Fingers crossed for a sucessful start
I could well be wrong, but seem to recall Flybe used to run flights from Southampton to Berne. Anyone know why that route was dropped ? Tour operator stopped a charter, low demand or something else ?
Is there any link between Intersky based at Friedrichshafen and Skywork based at Berne ?
Is there any link between Intersky based at Friedrichshafen and Skywork based at Berne ?
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1.2m visitors to Bmth for the air show but no Bmth airport dedicated stand promoting the flights from the area. The only airlines representing themselves on a pathetic excuse for a booth was Thomson and a ryanair girl sharing the same space.
No one cares! The airport seem more bothered about being the parking point for the old heritage jets for the air show rather than seeing it as a commercial opportunity to promote the flights.
No wonder we are losing the Aer Lingus service! Not only not advertised or promoted but fares are extortionate compared to southampton.
Please will someone explain this to me, the list of airline failures at Bmth is endless!!!!!!!
It can't all be to do with public transport either. Public transport accounts for 20% at the MOST at a very well connected airport. It is not the silver bullet. But the catchment at Bmth could support and does want to support so much more. Some People don't even know there is an airport at Bmth!
No one cares! The airport seem more bothered about being the parking point for the old heritage jets for the air show rather than seeing it as a commercial opportunity to promote the flights.
No wonder we are losing the Aer Lingus service! Not only not advertised or promoted but fares are extortionate compared to southampton.
Please will someone explain this to me, the list of airline failures at Bmth is endless!!!!!!!
It can't all be to do with public transport either. Public transport accounts for 20% at the MOST at a very well connected airport. It is not the silver bullet. But the catchment at Bmth could support and does want to support so much more. Some People don't even know there is an airport at Bmth!
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Nakata, does it really need explaining?
You have presented a list of failures from across the ages - of the airlines that still exist, do you really think they withdrew because they were making lots and lots of money?
You also say no airlines were representing and then contradict yourself by immediately following with 'apart from...' Thomson and Ryanair - who unless I'm mistaken make up the vast bulk of commercial flights?
The simple fact I'm afraid is that Bournemouth's current offer is probably about right - catering for local need on key leisure routes focussed around the key summer peak and a little bit of winter sun/ski. SOU is on hand for nearby high-frequency key business routes, the London airports aren't that far away for everything else (also Bristol for more westerly parts of the catchment). I can't really see what else would feasibly work that you don't have, except for the odd incremental increase in leisure routes at say an extra weekly flight or two to Turkey or a Greek island.
If you were chief exec of an airline other than FR/TOM and your head/cash were on the line, what routes would you add?
You have presented a list of failures from across the ages - of the airlines that still exist, do you really think they withdrew because they were making lots and lots of money?
You also say no airlines were representing and then contradict yourself by immediately following with 'apart from...' Thomson and Ryanair - who unless I'm mistaken make up the vast bulk of commercial flights?
The simple fact I'm afraid is that Bournemouth's current offer is probably about right - catering for local need on key leisure routes focussed around the key summer peak and a little bit of winter sun/ski. SOU is on hand for nearby high-frequency key business routes, the London airports aren't that far away for everything else (also Bristol for more westerly parts of the catchment). I can't really see what else would feasibly work that you don't have, except for the odd incremental increase in leisure routes at say an extra weekly flight or two to Turkey or a Greek island.
If you were chief exec of an airline other than FR/TOM and your head/cash were on the line, what routes would you add?
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I don't think it's the airport that decides marketing. It's basically controlled from Manchester. They decide budgets etc. Bournemouth's hands are tied to a certain extent.
Also, you say there is demand and the catchment area wants and can support routes yet you also list a lot of failed attempts. Clearly there isn't enough demand if all those airlines / routes have failed!
I don't think it's the airport that decides marketing. It's basically controlled from Manchester. They decide budgets etc. Bournemouth's hands are tied to a certain extent.
Also, you say there is demand and the catchment area wants and can support routes yet you also list a lot of failed attempts. Clearly there isn't enough demand if all those airlines / routes have failed!
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You might find this interesting
Any airport within a couple of hours or so drive from London has a number of challenges to overcome, arising from the proximity of the London hubs.
The link below takes you to a well researched CAA report on the draw of London. If you want to understand how the airports and airlines business works in the south of England, this will help.
If nothing else look at the easyJet chart on page 59.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/78/rpt%20s...on%20final.pdf
Bournemouth has an excellent catchment, its feeds Heathrow & Gatwick very well, and Flybe does very nicely from it at SOU. Things are unlikely to change much. This also demonstrates the reasons why Flybe are interested in London City.
The link below takes you to a well researched CAA report on the draw of London. If you want to understand how the airports and airlines business works in the south of England, this will help.
If nothing else look at the easyJet chart on page 59.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/78/rpt%20s...on%20final.pdf
Bournemouth has an excellent catchment, its feeds Heathrow & Gatwick very well, and Flybe does very nicely from it at SOU. Things are unlikely to change much. This also demonstrates the reasons why Flybe are interested in London City.
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If Flybe drop the sun routes from SOU next summer (the articles about them dropping the EXT ones mention it is not the only base affected 2+2=4 and all that...) then BOH may benefit from picking up some of the slack, assuming nobody replaces them on any significant scale up the road. Otherwise BOH just seems to be the same core routes year after year, which while not very interesting is at least better than it being in constant decline.
Has it been definitely confirmed that Aer Lingus / Stobart is dropping the Bounremouth-Dublin route in 2 weeks time permanently, or is there still a possibility that it may return for summer 2015 ?
I accept that with Stobart Air using Flybe branding for flying out of Southend, that it seems unlikely Stobart Air would go up against Flybe's Southampton-Dublin route, but stranger things have happened when there are sufficient profits at stake.
I accept that with Stobart Air using Flybe branding for flying out of Southend, that it seems unlikely Stobart Air would go up against Flybe's Southampton-Dublin route, but stranger things have happened when there are sufficient profits at stake.
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I just can't believe that we have a situation in the UK where we are desperate for civil aviation capacity, yet at the same time airports like BOH with a brand new terminal built for 3m passengers a year are sitting empty at barely 25% of its capacity with very little being done to fix it.
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Disappointing to see the Aer Lingus Regional Dublin route finish
After just over 2 yrs running another route comes and goes , the airline has removed the link from its booking engine as well which I guess indicates its demise , Southampton has been added to the Aer lLingus timetable as a code share with Flybe operating the route
Newmarket holidays are also cutting back next year with only 3 flights operated by Small Planet , that being said all other UK regional airports are having the same issue with Newmarket only operating a very small Italian programme next year
After just over 2 yrs running another route comes and goes , the airline has removed the link from its booking engine as well which I guess indicates its demise , Southampton has been added to the Aer lLingus timetable as a code share with Flybe operating the route
Newmarket holidays are also cutting back next year with only 3 flights operated by Small Planet , that being said all other UK regional airports are having the same issue with Newmarket only operating a very small Italian programme next year