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IF, KLM do start a route from BOH, would that mean the end of the code-share with Flybe at SOU? Or would KLM be wise to keep both, one under the guise of KLM Cityhopper the other Flybe codeshare?
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I really cant see this happening....would be great if it does, but would be surprised. As much as I dislike River Joints permanent digs at BOH ,LCC is the way forward....a second based FR 737 and possibly Easy Jet routes from other bases...cannot seeing them having BOH as a base. From what I hear the Thomson 737-800 is full on virtually every flight, so perhaps 2 x based aircraft in 2-3 years time.
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My post 569, set out how KLM are likely to view things. They are hurting because the Gulf carriers and easyjet are taking both point to point and long haul traffic away from KLM.
KLM will see BOH as one of several UK airports to redress some of that loss, they will look at markets that the Gulf carriers and ezy do not reach today. Will it happen? Maybe 20 percent probability, but if Flybe were to disappear, I would increase the odds to 80 percent that KLM would step into SOU.
The SOU code share today on AMS route benefits mainly Flybe who have their own revenue challenges. The Flybe code share will have almost no impact to KLM and hence not feature highly in KLM deliberations about new routes.
Even so the daily pax throughput of any KLM route AMS BOH, would only be about the same as one more RYR rotation per day... Perhaps 100k pax per year! SOU AMS is operating at about that level today.
BRS AMS for example is about 300k pax per year, based on the KLM schedule that says that EZY has about 65 percent of the market! Good for Amsterdam, bad for KLM.
The LCC are much more important to the future of Hurn and growth in general.
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KLM will see BOH as one of several UK airports to redress some of that loss, they will look at markets that the Gulf carriers and ezy do not reach today. Will it happen? Maybe 20 percent probability, but if Flybe were to disappear, I would increase the odds to 80 percent that KLM would step into SOU.
The SOU code share today on AMS route benefits mainly Flybe who have their own revenue challenges. The Flybe code share will have almost no impact to KLM and hence not feature highly in KLM deliberations about new routes.
Even so the daily pax throughput of any KLM route AMS BOH, would only be about the same as one more RYR rotation per day... Perhaps 100k pax per year! SOU AMS is operating at about that level today.
BRS AMS for example is about 300k pax per year, based on the KLM schedule that says that EZY has about 65 percent of the market! Good for Amsterdam, bad for KLM.
The LCC are much more important to the future of Hurn and growth in general.
FF
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BRS AMS for example is about 300k pax per year, based on the KLM schedule that says that EZY has about 65 percent of the market! Good for Amsterdam, bad for KLM.
The latest CAA available stats are for June which show that 28,220 used the BRS-AMS route split between the 34,752 seats of both airlines meaning that just over 81% of seats were occupied.
If all easyJet flights were 100% full (highly unlikely) KLM would still have carried a few hundred more passengers than easyJet with a load factor around 68-69%.
The likelihood is that easyJet was nearer 90% load factor which would put KLM in the mid 70s%, with the latter carrying about 3,000 more passengers in the month than easyJet.
It's true that for the five winter months KLM drops to 3 x daily whilst easyJet maintains its summer schedule which puts the available seats in winter near parity and easyJet's probable higher load factor might give them an edge in terms of the number of passengers carried, but I can't see how easyJet can have anywhere near 65% of the market, even in winter.
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The reason BOH stands a good chance with KLM is that they are very unlikely to consider adding their own services into SOU because the code-share with BE prevents it. BOH would be a way to sweep up the leakage. Unless in their code-share agreement it states that KLM would not be permitted to operate their own services from BOH.
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What is it with this obsession regarding KLM operating BOH to AMS!
Everyone knows on here the truth and that it won't happen, if KLM were to operate from the South Coast again it would be from SOU as they previously have done in the past Flybe code share or not.
If and I say if Flybe were to ever pull the SOU to AMS route KLM would fill the gap immediately I am 100% sure of that.
BOH management should be talking to Easyjet as they are the most obvious carrier to have some form of expansion going forward at BOH especially with their recent large aircraft order, Easyjet could serve many routes from their comprehensive list of destinations that would not over lap Ryanair operations, they could start up a base similar to what they have achieved at Southend.
And if Ryanair were to be upset about that well I would say stuff them and give some sort of incentive to Easyjet to make a base at BOH viable, long term it can only benefit the airport and it's catchment area.
Everyone knows on here the truth and that it won't happen, if KLM were to operate from the South Coast again it would be from SOU as they previously have done in the past Flybe code share or not.
If and I say if Flybe were to ever pull the SOU to AMS route KLM would fill the gap immediately I am 100% sure of that.
BOH management should be talking to Easyjet as they are the most obvious carrier to have some form of expansion going forward at BOH especially with their recent large aircraft order, Easyjet could serve many routes from their comprehensive list of destinations that would not over lap Ryanair operations, they could start up a base similar to what they have achieved at Southend.
And if Ryanair were to be upset about that well I would say stuff them and give some sort of incentive to Easyjet to make a base at BOH viable, long term it can only benefit the airport and it's catchment area.
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I'm sure the MAG comercial team are talking to EasyJet, Flybe and KLM reference AMS amongst others. In aviation never say never. Just because everything is cosy between KLM and Flybe at the moment doesn't mean it will always be. Especially if a good deal is put on the table.
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Would Klm come into the other uk airports like inverness. Blackpool, Doncaster, Ema. And the one I really can fathom why they havent done it sooner is Sumburgh direct.
Must be a faff for oil workers having to change at abz.
Hell how about direct to Scatsa or dont Klm have short runway Ac anymore.
How about newquay.
If they serviced every UK airport Then despite some that would deliver lower yields as if timings where right think of thr possibility for sll these quiet UK airports sudfenly with onward connections interlining. It makes a great case to ask Klm to bring us these services.
If Manston managed it im sure thw rest can too
Must be a faff for oil workers having to change at abz.
Hell how about direct to Scatsa or dont Klm have short runway Ac anymore.
How about newquay.
If they serviced every UK airport Then despite some that would deliver lower yields as if timings where right think of thr possibility for sll these quiet UK airports sudfenly with onward connections interlining. It makes a great case to ask Klm to bring us these services.
If Manston managed it im sure thw rest can too
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They have still to announce that third uk destination. Maybe they are waiting to leave MME and relocate that service ti Dsa.
At least it would be busier.
Im sure it could be a busy route!
At least it would be busier.
Im sure it could be a busy route!
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Easy Jet are operating the larger A320 to Geneva on a Saturday and Sunday mid day services throughout the season this year , the remaining services continue on the A319
Newmarket holidays have released there 2014 schedule from Bournemouth its all pretty much the same as this year with 13 flights operating to Verona , Dubrovnik , Naples , Catania and Oporto
Flights have however been up graded using Small Planet A320 as to the usual 737 300 ( something a little different to see on the ramp next summer )
Small albeit positive news
Newmarket holidays have released there 2014 schedule from Bournemouth its all pretty much the same as this year with 13 flights operating to Verona , Dubrovnik , Naples , Catania and Oporto
Flights have however been up graded using Small Planet A320 as to the usual 737 300 ( something a little different to see on the ramp next summer )
Small albeit positive news
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Everyone is excited about FR staying at BOH during the winter. But is the 'base' still technically closing? i.e the aircraft the crews? If it is only W-pattern flying then this technically means no base for the winter.
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Bournemouth handled 86 , 148 passengers in July down a bit 2.6 % on last July
Most of the drop appears to be on the Palma route which saw 2 , 300 less which makes up for most of the short fall
Dublin with Aer Lingus Regional saw 1946 using the route which went to 6 a week on the ATR42 an average of 37 passengers
Rest of the flights had loads factors of approx 90 % with Thomson and roughly 83 % with Ryanair
Antalya with Thomson was the only route which had an average of 135 pax which is strange while Corfu and Ibiza were in the 185 pax loads
Most of the drop appears to be on the Palma route which saw 2 , 300 less which makes up for most of the short fall
Dublin with Aer Lingus Regional saw 1946 using the route which went to 6 a week on the ATR42 an average of 37 passengers
Rest of the flights had loads factors of approx 90 % with Thomson and roughly 83 % with Ryanair
Antalya with Thomson was the only route which had an average of 135 pax which is strange while Corfu and Ibiza were in the 185 pax loads
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Bournemouth 2020
What should Bournemouth Airport look like by 2020? Pax no.s, Airlines and Routes?
Lord knows! Can't even predict what next year will be. but more of the same I'd say, maybe around 1m pax. Nothing major. Why are you thinking of buying? LOL