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Has anyone tried to book BOH-JFK?
The fares are crazy. For two people return the fare came out at GBP1,575.
If they don't sort out the fares no-one will use it. It's cheaper to drive to LHR, park your car and fly direct!
The fares are crazy. For two people return the fare came out at GBP1,575.
If they don't sort out the fares no-one will use it. It's cheaper to drive to LHR, park your car and fly direct!
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Longhaul feed EI BOH USA
Some thoughts
In general BOH route is doing just fine for EIR
A busier route WAT LTN was closed this week as EIR are down one a/c
So this indicates BOH yields are better on a lower load factor
EIR will start taking the larger ATR Q1 this year, and ALL smaller ATR will leave the fleet.
EI have about 20% of their DUB USA traffic coming from EUR and UK at the moment and this is probably enough for now
USA flights from ROI are packed , yearly LF at 85% plus , and the summer months at 95%
To go for higher volumes of feeder traffic ex UK EUR in effect dilutes the currently good revenue on the BOH flight , so I imagine its only full fares they are after , dont forget better to have a couple seats available for last minute high yield traffic for the busy finance folks to come to DUB with suitcases of money to help us than almost give the seat away for the USA , of course getting business class BOH DUB JFK is the goal , so I can see a certain logic after all with the smaller plane until the new ones arrive , there wont be many empty seats on the flight to DUBLIN
I imagine this route will see frequency growth soon, EIR will end up with two extra aircraft by Q4 this year and all ATR72 fleet, so then there is room to go for the holiday makers BOH DUB MCO etc
Steady growth to a dauly then twice daily then 3 daily weekday service is the plan , unless fuel hits 120usd of course
In general BOH route is doing just fine for EIR
A busier route WAT LTN was closed this week as EIR are down one a/c
So this indicates BOH yields are better on a lower load factor
EIR will start taking the larger ATR Q1 this year, and ALL smaller ATR will leave the fleet.
EI have about 20% of their DUB USA traffic coming from EUR and UK at the moment and this is probably enough for now
USA flights from ROI are packed , yearly LF at 85% plus , and the summer months at 95%
To go for higher volumes of feeder traffic ex UK EUR in effect dilutes the currently good revenue on the BOH flight , so I imagine its only full fares they are after , dont forget better to have a couple seats available for last minute high yield traffic for the busy finance folks to come to DUB with suitcases of money to help us than almost give the seat away for the USA , of course getting business class BOH DUB JFK is the goal , so I can see a certain logic after all with the smaller plane until the new ones arrive , there wont be many empty seats on the flight to DUBLIN
I imagine this route will see frequency growth soon, EIR will end up with two extra aircraft by Q4 this year and all ATR72 fleet, so then there is room to go for the holiday makers BOH DUB MCO etc
Steady growth to a dauly then twice daily then 3 daily weekday service is the plan , unless fuel hits 120usd of course
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I still think there is demand for a Dubai route, something that Southampton, Exeter & Bristol don't do and I am sure Emirates A330-200's, maybe B777-200's could manage a take off roll at Bournemouth??! 
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I think your find that VS are using 4 x A320 from EI as to the A319s origianally planned for their planned domestic routes from LHR to Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Manchester.
And why on earth would you think that VS would fly domestic out of BOH, are you aware of why they are going to fly domestic out of LHR, it's all about feeding their long haul network out of LHR so why consider BOH, if anything and it's a success I think LGW would come well over BOH for any future UK domestics!
I think your getting carried away with yourself as a plane spotter and not being realistic about route opportunites ex BOH especially considering as you have suggested Emirates!!!
I think your find that VS are using 4 x A320 from EI as to the A319s origianally planned for their planned domestic routes from LHR to Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Manchester.
And why on earth would you think that VS would fly domestic out of BOH, are you aware of why they are going to fly domestic out of LHR, it's all about feeding their long haul network out of LHR so why consider BOH, if anything and it's a success I think LGW would come well over BOH for any future UK domestics!
I think your getting carried away with yourself as a plane spotter and not being realistic about route opportunites ex BOH especially considering as you have suggested Emirates!!!
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I agree with you it is utter madness but fun to read.
On a serious note I saw some activity around the old BAC hangars. I assume they are preparing the site to re-open the BAC 1-11 production line to produce aircraft to meet the demand due to the "expansion" at many UK regional airports.
I agree with you it is utter madness but fun to read.
On a serious note I saw some activity around the old BAC hangars. I assume they are preparing the site to re-open the BAC 1-11 production line to produce aircraft to meet the demand due to the "expansion" at many UK regional airports.
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For once i do agree with the above 2 posts !
Bournemouth needs to get back to basics with postings all this nonsense is just a waste of time and has been read about over and over again
Lets hope hope Ryanair might possibly add a couple of new destinations this summer , they always leave it till the last minute for Bournemouth though
Bournemouth needs to get back to basics with postings all this nonsense is just a waste of time and has been read about over and over again
Lets hope hope Ryanair might possibly add a couple of new destinations this summer , they always leave it till the last minute for Bournemouth though
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Managing Regional airports - a tough job
Some real world commentary on what it's like being the boss of a regional airport right now.. Not an easy task!!
http://www.iaa.ie/media/G.Doyle-Wate...rdDec20121.pdf
This was a speech given by the boss of Waterford airport at an Irish aviation policy meeting in Dublin before Christmas. The meeting was in preparation for the Irish presidency of the EU, which has just begun.
If you are interested, you will also find the Michael O'Leary presentation on the same site and both the aer lingus and Irish transport minister's views.
Will tell you a lot about aviation in 2013. Lots of facts from some smart and well placed individuals.
FF
http://www.iaa.ie/media/G.Doyle-Wate...rdDec20121.pdf
This was a speech given by the boss of Waterford airport at an Irish aviation policy meeting in Dublin before Christmas. The meeting was in preparation for the Irish presidency of the EU, which has just begun.
If you are interested, you will also find the Michael O'Leary presentation on the same site and both the aer lingus and Irish transport minister's views.
Will tell you a lot about aviation in 2013. Lots of facts from some smart and well placed individuals.
FF
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Interesting rumour Turbropro I must say. I have heard whispers though that the 1-11 is being used as a front for the actual top secret modifications being carried out to bring Concord back. Apparently BA and AF have been secretly fighting over slots at BOH to bring back the luxury service to JFK (hence why the fairs are so expensive as highlighted by Shamrock below). LHR was in the running but the fact BOH had an above 90% load factor on its one flight a year blew it out of the water. Apparently this is a direct quote of WW. My contact also tells me that all the big players are ready to make their move and that they agree with the posters on here that they can't understand how the famously tight and low cost orientated FR haven’t taken advantage of the huge local market. Branson apparently banged his fist on the table with dismay at the situation.
I think we would also all agree chaps that it would strengthen the one rotation a day to DUB and certainly it wouldn't be delusional to envisage most of Europe routing through DUB to get to BOH to get on the forthcoming Dubai and NY routes. Time will tell but exciting times for BOH.
I think we would also all agree chaps that it would strengthen the one rotation a day to DUB and certainly it wouldn't be delusional to envisage most of Europe routing through DUB to get to BOH to get on the forthcoming Dubai and NY routes. Time will tell but exciting times for BOH.
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So Blue Islands R.I.P. from Hurn.
I placed a booking for two adults and a child return to New York in October. £2,200 you must be having a laugh!
Remember that fare is minus the APD of a direct flight from the UK to NYC and only the element from Hurn to Dublin and back!
As for reducing the Stobart Air from Luton to Waterford down to zero when the loads and yields have been excellent for years!
Better to place an ATR 42 from Hurn to Dublin once a day, than a 72 twice a day to Waterford from Luton!
Going to end in tears!
I placed a booking for two adults and a child return to New York in October. £2,200 you must be having a laugh!
Remember that fare is minus the APD of a direct flight from the UK to NYC and only the element from Hurn to Dublin and back!
As for reducing the Stobart Air from Luton to Waterford down to zero when the loads and yields have been excellent for years!
Better to place an ATR 42 from Hurn to Dublin once a day, than a 72 twice a day to Waterford from Luton!
Going to end in tears!
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Oh well, I am a wisher. But more so have a lot of enthusiasm, something which is lacking in the United Kingdom for sure. The logic to my idea would be that a 'Dubai' route could be sustained via the affluent areas of Dorset, Wiltshire and South West Hampshire combining with the fact that Bournemouth has some rather large financial companies based there this could become popular. I know this is a rumour site, but you cannot knock me down for enthusiasm, which can account for good ideas and boost Bournemouth Airport, but hey ho, I am just another young man (obviously who has no idea!) Darn it! 
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Thank you Flitefone very interesting insight into running an airport. Had a real go at Stobart Air about moving most of the capacity to Southend from Luton. Now it is all ended in tears and reading between the lines he said - in football parlance - ´´you don´t know what you´re doing´´. Hopefully someone will pick up the Luton route from the start of the summer timetable.
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Yes I think you have summed yourself up Tibbs when you quote ' I am just another young man (who obviously has no idea).
Enthusiasm is one thing but reality is another, in NO way would Emirates ever start a route to Dubai from BOH even for the reasons you suggested!
I can remember a few years back when Continental Airlines were expanding in the UK that a BOH to EWR service was mentioned alot, that never happened exactly for the same reason EK won't be landing at BOH any time soon.
Enthusiasm is one thing but reality is another, in NO way would Emirates ever start a route to Dubai from BOH even for the reasons you suggested!
I can remember a few years back when Continental Airlines were expanding in the UK that a BOH to EWR service was mentioned alot, that never happened exactly for the same reason EK won't be landing at BOH any time soon.
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Of course there is a big difference between pipe dreams and reality but there are some who would have argued that Aer Lingus operating BOH-DUB would have been a delusion.
BOH doesn't have a lot of choice in terms frequencies/routes and thus a KLM global connection service is still something the airport should persue. This also solves the inbound issue that BOH could tap into. Currently 156,000 foreign students (mainly Italy, Spain, German, Scandinavia, Korean, Japanese) come to BOH each year by train and national express bus after arriving at LGW and LHR. These are affluent students with money from rich families not broke British students!! And the number hasn't declined even after the recession.
BOH should be able to support a higher frequency Channel Islands service too. It hasn't been operated correctly in the past by either blue islands or bmi baby.
The above, together with some steady but conservative growth from FR and EZY I think is the future for BOH.
BOH doesn't have a lot of choice in terms frequencies/routes and thus a KLM global connection service is still something the airport should persue. This also solves the inbound issue that BOH could tap into. Currently 156,000 foreign students (mainly Italy, Spain, German, Scandinavia, Korean, Japanese) come to BOH each year by train and national express bus after arriving at LGW and LHR. These are affluent students with money from rich families not broke British students!! And the number hasn't declined even after the recession.
BOH should be able to support a higher frequency Channel Islands service too. It hasn't been operated correctly in the past by either blue islands or bmi baby.
The above, together with some steady but conservative growth from FR and EZY I think is the future for BOH.
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Spot on
There are some wild requests for BOH, and also at the other end of the spectrum a few that seem to want it to fail at costs..
But your post takes a sensible middle ground. I still think it will be 2-3 years before we see anymore serious growth
Spot on
There are some wild requests for BOH, and also at the other end of the spectrum a few that seem to want it to fail at costs..
But your post takes a sensible middle ground. I still think it will be 2-3 years before we see anymore serious growth