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Old 8th Oct 2008, 11:16
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A slight thread drift here but I think you'll find there is an awful lot of opposition against this development. It hasn't gone through as easily as had been hoped so don't expect a definite yes by the council this time either. Have an search of various sites and blogs and you'll see why locals are against it.
Meanwhile, the first jobs out of an expected 550 are being advertised at the thanetearth project near the airport.

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Posted today on Kentonline

Passenger numbers at Kent International Airport are set to swell dramatically over the next few decades.
Bosses have been unveiling their 25-year masterplan at the site in Manston, Thanet.
At the moment 26,000 people pass through the airport every year but that is far short of the current 700,000 capacity.
By 2011 the airport hopes to increase annual passenger numbers to 2 million and then up to 6 million people a year by 2033.
It is hoped that in the future people will be able to fly from Kent to cities like Dublin, Glasgow, Edinburgh and Manchester.
Executives from the airport say an extensive consultation period will now get under way to discuss the plans with local people, members of parliament and airlines.
However many local people say that before the airport can hope to increase its passenger numbers, transport to the airport needs to be improved.
Shadow transport minister and MP for Canterbury, Julian Brazier said: "It’s an example of an airport with a very large, potentially very exciting runway, but only a relatively low level of business at the moment because their rail links are so poor."

The whole thing is available from the airports website: Kent International Airport
It doesn't seem that infratil will be departing manston in the near future as has been suggested by the doom mongers on here
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Well I saw 2 IFR arrivals this morning; is that a record?
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Passenger numbers at Kent International Airport are set to swell dramatically over the next few decades. Bosses have been unveiling their 25-year masterplan at the site in Manston, Thanet.
Here we go again. "Masterplans" don't generate passengers any more than surveys do. That's not me being a "doom monger" - just recognising the difference between people talking about future development and that development actually occuring. You can carry out all the research, consultation and discussion you like, but the only thing which really counts is whether the airport can attract the business.
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What the 25 year masterplan does indicate is a long term interest in MSE remaining as an airport. One thing you have to bear in mind is that, if you were an airline considering operating services from MSE, the last thing you want is doubt in the minds of the airport operator on the short term future of the airport. That alone would be enough to put some operators off.
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I refer to my last post;-
' have found a parallel universe or in this case an airport. It to has the same type of press releases ozing confidence. It is across the water @ SEN. Like you guys we are waiting for the second coming? '

There are no airlines in the market that are going even wishing to operate from Manston or Southend. This situation will not change for at least 4-5 years. Can the owners sustain losses for that long, even then there will be no gaurantees?
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Old 8th Oct 2008, 18:15
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And where are the funds coming from to support this expansion plan?
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Old 8th Oct 2008, 18:22
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"It’s an example of an airport with a very large, potentially very exciting runway, but only a relatively low level of business at the moment because their rail links are so poor."
They use the same excuse for DSA, when do rail links matter for a relatively small number of pax flights anyway? I was sure top of the list for airlines was size and demographics of the catchment area?
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Quote from Infratil: "We have been liaising with a number of
passenger airline operators who are very
interested in establishing regular scheduled
flights from our airport to a number of UK
and European destinations. We shall
continue to work with them in developing
opportunities at our airport." We can but hope.
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Monarch A330 due lunchtime 18/10
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No pax on it i bet?
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its a passenger charter so hope so
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anyway........back to ..... aviation.

Good range of aircraft at MSE today.
B747-400, A330-200, B757-200 and a C130
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Why has it gone so quiet on here? After the Manston master plan was released I would have thought all the usual culprits would have been at one anothers throats but a strange silence seems to have settled - very odd!
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There's not much point in commenting on something that nobody is taking seriously.
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For once I agree with Catfllaps, Masterplans are like 5 year plans from recent communist enclaves - a combination of high hopes and little factual content.

Sadly, I can't see the investors at Infratril allowing things to carry on like this, there's a finite amount that they must be allocating to keeping the place going and current income goes nowhere near to coveing real running costs.

I hope not, but the end may very well be nearly nigh.
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ear we go again, we are all doomed.
hope they realise more scheduled routes in the next three years than the last.
at least the three year plan has now been extended to five ! that will be a total of eight, and i cant see any investors waiting that long, especially in the current climate.
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I must admit I am a bit flummoxed by it all too. I just cannot understand why they are building a 20 warehouse complex called China Gateway immediately next to an airport?
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it does seem strange because it isnt near dover or folkstone, ramsgate isnt much of a port anymore and air freight is too expensive for the cheap chinese market, i dont think the proximity of the airport has any bearing on the construction. i think its due to the cheap land and availablity of cheap labour and the fact that with the carrot of jobs in this deprived area, the chinese assume that people will not complain, there is an awful lot wrong with this proposed development,(details available on other web sites), however,re. manston airport, with the five year plan on the table it is clear that Infratil are not about to sell up and move on.
onwards and upwards !
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Kent International Airport September report:

Kent International handled 1,373 tonnes of freight in September, down 24% on the prior year total but up 27% against August’s performance.

Freight operators EgyptAir, Cargolux and Intavia all delivered strong year-on-year improvements of 68%, 45% and 56% respectively.

MK Airlines, the airport’s previous largest customer, made four appearances during the month although its volume of freight was down 78% against September 2007.

The year-to-date freight volume of 8,773 tonnes is 6% down on the equivalent period in 2007.

Seguro’s announcement that they had ceased trading meant that the airport lost its main charter operator Kent Escapes.

While this led to a fall in year-on-year and year-to-date passenger performance, the flights that did operate during September – including the final Kent Escapes flights - achieved extremely high load factors, again demonstrating the market potential.

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