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Flybe taking over the Jersey route is pleasant enough, but doesn't constitute an increase in capacity or activity.
Also, what's all this about freight at Manston being "on the up".
Planestation were achieving 4000 tonnes a month at one point.
Freight is now running at around 1300 tonnes during the seasonal peak.
Freight at MSE yo-yo 's up and down, and always has done.
I realise some visitors are still keen to talk MSE up, but please don't lose sight of the facts.
Also, what's all this about freight at Manston being "on the up".
Planestation were achieving 4000 tonnes a month at one point.
Freight is now running at around 1300 tonnes during the seasonal peak.
Freight at MSE yo-yo 's up and down, and always has done.
I realise some visitors are still keen to talk MSE up, but please don't lose sight of the facts.
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One of Europe's biggest low cost carriers is to start flying out of Kent International Airport from next summer.
Flybe will be operating weekly flights to Jersey - one of the largest and most southerly of the Channel Islands.
Matt Clarke, chief executive of the airport, said it would be the first scheduled passenger service since the airport came under Infratil ownership.
"I am looking forward to working with Flybe whose arrival is a major vote of confidence in the airport," he said.
Flybe operates more than 180 routes and carried more than seven million passengers last year.
'Hassle-free experience'
Mr Clarke added: "Flybe has been ahead of the game in recognising the benefits and growing importance of regional airports.
"We know from the excellent passenger loads achieved by charter operators that the demand for flights to and from Jersey exists.
"Now people in Kent and beyond will benefit from a scheduled service as well as the hassle-free experience of flying from Kent International."
In October, the airport announced a 25-year expansion plan which would see traffic levels increased.
Owners Infratil said they hoped a million passengers would use the site each year by 2011, rising to six million by 2033.
Flybe will be operating weekly flights to Jersey - one of the largest and most southerly of the Channel Islands.
Matt Clarke, chief executive of the airport, said it would be the first scheduled passenger service since the airport came under Infratil ownership.
"I am looking forward to working with Flybe whose arrival is a major vote of confidence in the airport," he said.
Flybe operates more than 180 routes and carried more than seven million passengers last year.
'Hassle-free experience'
Mr Clarke added: "Flybe has been ahead of the game in recognising the benefits and growing importance of regional airports.
"We know from the excellent passenger loads achieved by charter operators that the demand for flights to and from Jersey exists.
"Now people in Kent and beyond will benefit from a scheduled service as well as the hassle-free experience of flying from Kent International."
In October, the airport announced a 25-year expansion plan which would see traffic levels increased.
Owners Infratil said they hoped a million passengers would use the site each year by 2011, rising to six million by 2033.
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Flybe taking over the Jersey route is pleasant enough, but doesn't constitute an increase in capacity or activity.
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I wonder whether the Flybe Jersey flights are replacing the previous service or are additional. There seems to be an emphasis on the flights being "scheduled" as opposed to charter.
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Who wants to go to JER anyway? It is expensive and the weather is not reliable, the profile of the SEN pax must give an average age of 60+ and two years of Flybe ops at SEN is best decribed as nearly always late, often by a number of hours.
If you visit the SEN thread you can read via LTNman the intentions of Stobards take over of the South east. Pax traffic will be actively pursued. From what I have seen @ LHR. LGW and MAN there is not frieght at those airports and there is a lot of space at STN for more. I doubt MSE is even on the radar,but lets hope next year brings something?
If you visit the SEN thread you can read via LTNman the intentions of Stobards take over of the South east. Pax traffic will be actively pursued. From what I have seen @ LHR. LGW and MAN there is not frieght at those airports and there is a lot of space at STN for more. I doubt MSE is even on the radar,but lets hope next year brings something?
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Well I for one am pleased to hear that Flybe are prepared to give Manston a chance. Unlike some on this forum who seem to want the airport to vanish off the face of the earth. Lets hope that they may encourage others to give it a try. Not to sure how popular flight only's to jersey will be, but perhaps they will bring in some other routes if they feel thay have the support of the local people. Maybe if they took a look at eujets passenger lists and the surveys that have taken place they might even find a more popular destination than Jersey.
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What an odd post! I cannot work out whether you are a NIMBY or just uninformed, but at the very least I considered that a response should contain more substance than comment.
a. You say “Who wants to go to JER anyway? “
Well, Jersey tourism figures for 2005 said that 750,000 voted with their feet and went there. Also, in 2007 1,546,000 passengers used Jersey airport.
b. You then said “From what I have seen @ LHR. LGW and MAN there is not freight at those airports…” I presume that when you say “MAN” you are referring to Manchester.
You had better let LHR, LGW and MAN know that because their CAA freight figures must be in error. For 2007:
LHR 1,310,987 tonnes
LGW 171,078 tonnes
MAN 165,366 tonnes
Note: Just for clarification, the CAA freight figure for MSE in 2007 was 28,371 tonnes.
There are a couple of minor comments I would make though, if Stobart do take over STN, I would be as surprised as anyone if they did not actively pursue PAX traffic.
Lastly, forgive my ignorance here, but would an airline not prefer to have every seat filled with a 60+ adult rather than a child? Would they not make more money that way? I am assuming that at a certain age bracket the seat price is less for a child.
What an odd post! I cannot work out whether you are a NIMBY or just uninformed, but at the very least I considered that a response should contain more substance than comment.
a. You say “Who wants to go to JER anyway? “
Well, Jersey tourism figures for 2005 said that 750,000 voted with their feet and went there. Also, in 2007 1,546,000 passengers used Jersey airport.
b. You then said “From what I have seen @ LHR. LGW and MAN there is not freight at those airports…” I presume that when you say “MAN” you are referring to Manchester.
You had better let LHR, LGW and MAN know that because their CAA freight figures must be in error. For 2007:
LHR 1,310,987 tonnes
LGW 171,078 tonnes
MAN 165,366 tonnes
Note: Just for clarification, the CAA freight figure for MSE in 2007 was 28,371 tonnes.
There are a couple of minor comments I would make though, if Stobart do take over STN, I would be as surprised as anyone if they did not actively pursue PAX traffic.
Lastly, forgive my ignorance here, but would an airline not prefer to have every seat filled with a 60+ adult rather than a child? Would they not make more money that way? I am assuming that at a certain age bracket the seat price is less for a child.
You then said “From what I have seen @ LHR. LGW and MAN there is not freight at those airports…”
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That may indeed be the case but cannot be assumed. Since you mention it, though, the CAA stats are as follows for cargo aircraft as opposed to pax aircraft for 2007.
LHR 74,012 tonnes
LGW 2454 tonnes
MAN 79,141 tonnes
As can be seen, a great proportion of freight is carried at those airports by pax aircraft. Interestingly, the LGW figure shows a 93% decrease on 2006, which is odd, I think.
That may indeed be the case but cannot be assumed. Since you mention it, though, the CAA stats are as follows for cargo aircraft as opposed to pax aircraft for 2007.
LHR 74,012 tonnes
LGW 2454 tonnes
MAN 79,141 tonnes
As can be seen, a great proportion of freight is carried at those airports by pax aircraft. Interestingly, the LGW figure shows a 93% decrease on 2006, which is odd, I think.
Interestingly, the LGW figure shows a 93% decrease on 2006, which is odd, I think.
According to Wiki their old place was (is) stored at Manston/
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The falling pound is the same one that you will be spending in JER surely. To service the once weekly Dash 8, itwill require some of the following ATC,cleaners, check-in, management,caterers and security to name a few not forgetting loaders and a push back man and tug. This single operation will cost KIA about £3000 - £4000 a turnaround. I can assure with my 39 years of very limited aviation employ, that FlyBe will not pay anymore than £2000 tops to operate from KIA.
This leaves a direct loss, this can only be profitable when those same staff turnaround 3-5 aircraft in an hour, the airport was only achieving this (a few times daily) when EU Jet operated. In other words unless we can get back to something like that operation then there is little chance of KIA going anywhere.
i think, we as far away as ever from that goal. Presently there is plenty of cargo capacity at LGW and STN and both are better logistically placed, both airports also have plenty of slots too for pax aircraft
This leaves a direct loss, this can only be profitable when those same staff turnaround 3-5 aircraft in an hour, the airport was only achieving this (a few times daily) when EU Jet operated. In other words unless we can get back to something like that operation then there is little chance of KIA going anywhere.
i think, we as far away as ever from that goal. Presently there is plenty of cargo capacity at LGW and STN and both are better logistically placed, both airports also have plenty of slots too for pax aircraft