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Fact is EI crew at all levels have been dragged 'screaming' into the reality of to-days costs of running an airline.
This includes how many it takes to run an airline - the 'feather bedding' days are history TG.
The so called 'good ole days' are gone forever.
Pity for the staff - good for us customers who pay the wages of all EI staff.
Get real guys and gals in Aer Lingus.
Of course there will always be issues which need to be clarified - management will try to push the new agreement(s) to the limit.
On occasions there will have to be a bit of 'give and take'.
Meanwhile how about EI adopting Soutwest USA bag policy - 2 checked bags FOC!.
Even if EI gave 1 checked bag FOC it would win over a lot of FR's customers. How about it?
And I do hope EI will be able to fly me and the Mrs to AGP on 30 Nov!!!!
Please.
Thanks.
This includes how many it takes to run an airline - the 'feather bedding' days are history TG.
The so called 'good ole days' are gone forever.
Pity for the staff - good for us customers who pay the wages of all EI staff.
Get real guys and gals in Aer Lingus.
Of course there will always be issues which need to be clarified - management will try to push the new agreement(s) to the limit.
On occasions there will have to be a bit of 'give and take'.
Meanwhile how about EI adopting Soutwest USA bag policy - 2 checked bags FOC!.
Even if EI gave 1 checked bag FOC it would win over a lot of FR's customers. How about it?
And I do hope EI will be able to fly me and the Mrs to AGP on 30 Nov!!!!
Please.
Thanks.
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Many companies in the aviation industry these days have tightened their belts and this is the consequences.
On paper and statistical graphs these days companies have the correct number of staff however does not take into consideration of sickness, tech delays, staff leaving the company.
These means that the other employees in the company have an increased workload if they want to make sure that services are not effected.
These may include working over rostered hours, working into discretion, operating from other bases etc. Now the employees in any company will only put up with that for so long before they start to become annoyed especially if this has been pointed out in the past plus don't get any thanks for their work e.g. sticking to agreements.
I scratched your back when times were hard now what about sticking to your promise. It naturally employees will start sticking to their normal roster and not help the company out.
If moral is high then people will do anything for you but if moral is low and your messing around not offering what you promised then they can make it difficult for you.
On paper and statistical graphs these days companies have the correct number of staff however does not take into consideration of sickness, tech delays, staff leaving the company.
These means that the other employees in the company have an increased workload if they want to make sure that services are not effected.
These may include working over rostered hours, working into discretion, operating from other bases etc. Now the employees in any company will only put up with that for so long before they start to become annoyed especially if this has been pointed out in the past plus don't get any thanks for their work e.g. sticking to agreements.
I scratched your back when times were hard now what about sticking to your promise. It naturally employees will start sticking to their normal roster and not help the company out.
If moral is high then people will do anything for you but if moral is low and your messing around not offering what you promised then they can make it difficult for you.
Absolutely Mathers. I'm not EI crew but what has just been described by Mathers is absolutely true. My airline has recently made a big cock up after having this inevitability pointed out by employees of all levels. The situation was basically a "cock up" out of several bases this Summer with increased pressure on other crew when morale was already low. The result was that crew, who often can refuse extended duties/discretion/operating in to days off, did just that and believe me that resulted in cancellations and who does that ultimately affect? The customer of course.
I'm all for efficiency and looking at ways to save money but many take it to the extreme or take the piss, for want of a better line.
I'm all for efficiency and looking at ways to save money but many take it to the extreme or take the piss, for want of a better line.
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Quote MCDU2 "We have written stating that we reserve the right "up to and including withdrawal of services". In union parlance this generally means get around the table and hammer out a deal"
MCDU2, I thought the deal was done ......wasnt it called greenfield ?So basicaly what you are saying is that the Pilots at AL now need to get a deal on a deal they already agreed.....Where does this end up ? Why is it neccessary to get in to further negotations for something that has been agreed with but not delivered. Will this not lead to further concesions from the Union and the Pilots ?
MCDU2, I thought the deal was done ......wasnt it called greenfield ?So basicaly what you are saying is that the Pilots at AL now need to get a deal on a deal they already agreed.....Where does this end up ? Why is it neccessary to get in to further negotations for something that has been agreed with but not delivered. Will this not lead to further concesions from the Union and the Pilots ?
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Now thats a bit sensational now. To clarify the union has written to the new Director of Flight Ops listing a number of breaches of our agreements. Aer Lingus were happy to cut our pay, increments and sector pay before the ink had dried on the Greenfield agreement last October but now a year on they don't want to get around the table and agree to things like a fixed pattern roster plus about another 10 or so clear breaches of our agreements.
The only reason you are getting from A to B is largely because of the goodwill of the staff of AL. We are short of pilots and cabin crew. As far as I am aware AL got its numbers wrong again (they do it all the time) but are hamstrung in recruiting as the voluntary service scheme has only just closed out. I can only speak as a pilot and say that the goodwill of our mob is quickly drying up and we are sick of hearing the same old tired excuses. I for one will never answer my phone on my day(s) off nor do I know anyone else that will.
We have written stating that we reserve the right "up to and including withdrawal of services". In union parlance this generally means get around the table and hammer out a deal.
The only reason you are getting from A to B is largely because of the goodwill of the staff of AL. We are short of pilots and cabin crew. As far as I am aware AL got its numbers wrong again (they do it all the time) but are hamstrung in recruiting as the voluntary service scheme has only just closed out. I can only speak as a pilot and say that the goodwill of our mob is quickly drying up and we are sick of hearing the same old tired excuses. I for one will never answer my phone on my day(s) off nor do I know anyone else that will.
We have written stating that we reserve the right "up to and including withdrawal of services". In union parlance this generally means get around the table and hammer out a deal.
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MCDU2, I thought the deal was done ......wasnt it called greenfield ?So basicaly what you are saying is that the Pilots at AL now need to get a deal on a deal they already agreed.....Where does this end up ? Why is it neccessary to get in to further negotations for something that has been agreed with but not delivered. Will this not lead to further concesions from the Union and the Pilots ?
That's the thing. Pilots and Cabin Crew agreed their part of the deal and managment went thru with taking the crews' offer but never paid up their side of the bargain. So it's not that pilots - or cc for that matter - are now looking for a deal for a deal. They're looking for the part of the agreed deal which hasn't been handed over.
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Aer Lingus announce 'Significant' Third Quarter Performance
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...breaking7.html
Well done and good news for EVERYONE at EI.
Not out of the woods yet though.
Well done and good news for EVERYONE at EI. Not out of the woods yet though.
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an example would be that the cabin crew had agreed with managment that there would be a 2-2-2-3 days off after longhaul operations and they haven't honoured that. Instead they are getting 2-2-2-2-2 days off after every longhaul flight duty. Another example would be where the crew don't have 30 mins clear of all work to sit down and eat/read the paper/call home/whatever when they are on UK/european multisector duties of 6 hours 15 mins (block time) and upwards.
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That I don't know. Heard from a pal of mine in DUB that the flightdeck had issued notice of industrial action but I've not seen it anywhere in the papers. The work to rule action by cabin crew doesn't seem to be making any impact either from what my pal tells me. No delays, no cancellations due to crew. My pal said it was like the Phoney War of 1939. War declared but not one bullet fired for six months. 
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JFK - SNN flight cancelled
I recently booked a return flight from Shannon to New York JFK going on Wed 8th December and returning on Sun 12th December. Last Wednesday 3th of December I recieved and email from Aer Lingus saying the return flight has been cancelled. They put me one another flight the next day on Mon 13th of December. Does anyone know why the Sunday flight from JFK - SNN has been cancelled?
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Anyone know when EI Regional are releasing UK domestic routes for Summer 2011. In specific will CWL be regaining 3 x Daily DUB and 1 x Daily ORK which got reduced to just 2 x Daily DUB?
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EISNN has been told that the cabin crew work to rule hasn't impacted EI operations. In point of fact it has. While there have only been 3-4 cancellations and 3 hire-ins so far there has been quite a lot of juggling of aircraft/crew rotations to try to protect the schedule. From the staff point this is good as it causes problems to the airline but does not cause disruptions to our paymasters, the flying public. An example would be that EI are now pulling all rostered staff in for airport reserve rather than keep them on call at home. Punctuality has also taken a hit in the last month.
While EI mgmt may be being very aggressive I don't think they want a full on strike to happen. Imagine the share price dropping then.....
To answer another poster; EI staff are well aware of the realities facing the airlines. Most of them witnessed the atrocious load factors on flights 15-20 months ago. Such images are scary for staff who NEED the public to keep flying. Hence the acceptance of Greenfield by ALL staff groups in February 2010.
The problem encountered over the summer was that EI mgmt went beyond the scope of the mutually agreed cuts and in some cases (pilots and crew) ignored their side of the bargain. (In the cabin crew situation, in late June they announced they were their contract with 10 days notice)Its not that these staff refuse to take cuts, but they want to be able to trust their mgmt.
The sad thing about both sitations is that these actions could esily have been avoided if the mgmt had of sat down at a table and dealt honourably and maturely with their staff reps. For instance who was the 'senior mgmt figure' who rejected the deal with the cabin crew that the EI HR section had hammered out last month? This (recent arrival) guy over-ruled the HR section and ignited the cabin crew row, why? To show his iron fist...............guess what? Iron snaps, oak bends.........
Just look at the memo mistakenly sent to all staff last week warning of dismissals over not adhering to the new sick policy,not the work of an open and honest mgmt culture. Fair play to the CEO for the very quick retraction and apologies to staff.
The passengers pay to fly with Aer Lingus. However on a day to day basis the flexibility of all staff allows the airline to cope with any little knocks the operation encounter. The hostile attitude of EI mgmt has driven morale to the floor and has effectively stopped EI staff going over and above for THEIR company.
On another point: I love the idea of including a bag in the ticket price. I really think it would be a differentiating factor in the constant battle for fares with FR. The SouthWest "Bags fly free" tagline works very well for them. EI have introduced a new 'Best Fare' (only to LHR AFAIK) which includes a bag and seat selection.
While EI mgmt may be being very aggressive I don't think they want a full on strike to happen. Imagine the share price dropping then.....
To answer another poster; EI staff are well aware of the realities facing the airlines. Most of them witnessed the atrocious load factors on flights 15-20 months ago. Such images are scary for staff who NEED the public to keep flying. Hence the acceptance of Greenfield by ALL staff groups in February 2010.
The problem encountered over the summer was that EI mgmt went beyond the scope of the mutually agreed cuts and in some cases (pilots and crew) ignored their side of the bargain. (In the cabin crew situation, in late June they announced they were their contract with 10 days notice)Its not that these staff refuse to take cuts, but they want to be able to trust their mgmt.
The sad thing about both sitations is that these actions could esily have been avoided if the mgmt had of sat down at a table and dealt honourably and maturely with their staff reps. For instance who was the 'senior mgmt figure' who rejected the deal with the cabin crew that the EI HR section had hammered out last month? This (recent arrival) guy over-ruled the HR section and ignited the cabin crew row, why? To show his iron fist...............guess what? Iron snaps, oak bends.........
Just look at the memo mistakenly sent to all staff last week warning of dismissals over not adhering to the new sick policy,not the work of an open and honest mgmt culture. Fair play to the CEO for the very quick retraction and apologies to staff.
The passengers pay to fly with Aer Lingus. However on a day to day basis the flexibility of all staff allows the airline to cope with any little knocks the operation encounter. The hostile attitude of EI mgmt has driven morale to the floor and has effectively stopped EI staff going over and above for THEIR company.
On another point: I love the idea of including a bag in the ticket price. I really think it would be a differentiating factor in the constant battle for fares with FR. The SouthWest "Bags fly free" tagline works very well for them. EI have introduced a new 'Best Fare' (only to LHR AFAIK) which includes a bag and seat selection.
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Best Fare is available on the following routes
Dublin-Heathrow
Dublin-Faro
Cork-Paris
I assume this is on a trial basis.
Looking at the routes involved, they are
DUB-LHR: Mainly Business
DUB-FAO: Mainly Leisure
ORK-CDG: Mixed
That suggests that they want to see what the demand is for the various types of flights and if they do decide to roll it out more broadly, it won't necessarily be on every route.
Dublin-Heathrow
Dublin-Faro
Cork-Paris
I assume this is on a trial basis.
Looking at the routes involved, they are
DUB-LHR: Mainly Business
DUB-FAO: Mainly Leisure
ORK-CDG: Mixed
That suggests that they want to see what the demand is for the various types of flights and if they do decide to roll it out more broadly, it won't necessarily be on every route.
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An example would be that EI are now pulling all rostered staff in for airport reserve rather than keep them on call at home.
