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st patrick, you must remember the Shannon stopover requirement was only dropped a couple of years ago so Cork was prevented from having a scheduled US service during the boom times. It also has the current disadvantage by having a relatively short 7,000ft runway.
Let's remember Shannon has several carriers flying to the US and the Shannon region's population is about half the population of Cork city & county so I think it is likely a US carrier will fly into Cork once the economy improves on both sides of the Atlantic.
Let's remember Shannon has several carriers flying to the US and the Shannon region's population is about half the population of Cork city & county so I think it is likely a US carrier will fly into Cork once the economy improves on both sides of the Atlantic.
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I beg to differ about there being aircraft availability to serve LAX and SFO - my earliercomment was based on the 2012 timetable apparently showing 3 less flights per week to Boston so therefore there is spare capacity to do 3 rotations to one or more other destinations - 3 to SFO or LAX or one or twO to each is therefore entirely possible.
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@claresview - the flight time to SFO and LAX is nearly double that of just the BOS leg, so really you have 1.5 rotations in theory. If the AC goes tech, then they'd be in some big trouble with little to send that way to cover.
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Yes I know LAX is about 11 hours and Boston is about 6 from Dublin. However the aircraft that goes to LAX today and back over night does not have to be the same one that does LAX tomorrow - several A330's sit for a a number of hours at Dublin between rotations. Anyway LAX would be interspersed with shorter rorations - its all to do with scheduling and flight planning
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Anyway LAX would be interspersed with shorter rorations - its all to do with scheduling and flight planning.
It makes absolutely no sense as far as I can see, from either a financial or operational perspective. The fixed costs associated with an Outstation only serviced once per week, given the current operating cost profile would in no way be covered.
A return to one West Coast airport ex DUB would be marginal to say the least at present.
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I have to agree with EI Premier on this one. I dont think the economics justify the route at this time nor will they next year. I also dont see EI asking for their aircraft back from United just yet. Ei makes more from this venture with this aircraft than they can in their own right.
CCR- I stand by what I said. The Shannon stop was relaxed sufficently in the last years 1 for 1 etc that had Cork-US been viable, it would have been tried. Shannon has all the facilities-customs immigration-oh and a big enough runway. I agree that Cork has the population but as I said previously, people dont mind driving the distance to get a more direct flight.
I am not anti Cork btw, I loved flying in and out of there, I just dont think US flights are a realistic proposition. I hope I am proved wrong in the future!
CCR- I stand by what I said. The Shannon stop was relaxed sufficently in the last years 1 for 1 etc that had Cork-US been viable, it would have been tried. Shannon has all the facilities-customs immigration-oh and a big enough runway. I agree that Cork has the population but as I said previously, people dont mind driving the distance to get a more direct flight.
I am not anti Cork btw, I loved flying in and out of there, I just dont think US flights are a realistic proposition. I hope I am proved wrong in the future!
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Of course it would not be practical - I was simply pointing out to someone who said it was impossible that it is POSSIBLE to serve both destinations. I did however go on to point out some of the drawbacks and costs (and of course the big cost would be around crew flight time limits and down time)
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I see, on SKyliner, that a brand new A319 has been delivered to IB, for onward lease to EI.
Airbus A319 -111 4768 EC-LNL Iberia delivery 29jul11 XFW-MAD, all white, primer prior lease to Aer Lingus ex D-AVYJ
I am wondering what the rationale is of not putting the 319s into service until next year; I could understand if it were an older aircraft, but at the end of the day, this is a brand new $40-50m machine, just lying on the ground for a few months; hope it's not EI paying the lease costs on this! It's not as if there is a shortage of routes on which a smaller capacity acft would be welcome.
Are the other two A319s (there being one in DUB already, in full colours) also new build aircraft?
Airbus A319 -111 4768 EC-LNL Iberia delivery 29jul11 XFW-MAD, all white, primer prior lease to Aer Lingus ex D-AVYJ
I am wondering what the rationale is of not putting the 319s into service until next year; I could understand if it were an older aircraft, but at the end of the day, this is a brand new $40-50m machine, just lying on the ground for a few months; hope it's not EI paying the lease costs on this! It's not as if there is a shortage of routes on which a smaller capacity acft would be welcome.
Are the other two A319s (there being one in DUB already, in full colours) also new build aircraft?
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I believe EI-EPR, the "Full Colour" A319 is ex EC-KEV (cn 3169), so only 4 years old.
EI-EPR Aer Lingus Airbus A319-111 - cn 3169 - Planespotters.net Just Aviation
I agree that is makes little sense to have 2 servicable aircraft parked up, I would have though that even running them in place of A320's on light routes immedietly would have been a better resource allocation.
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I believe EI-EPR, the "Full Colour" A319 is ex EC-KEV (cn 3169), so only 4 years old.
EI-EPR Aer Lingus Airbus A319-111 - cn 3169 - Planespotters.net Just Aviation
I agree that is makes little sense to have 2 servicable aircraft parked up, I would have though that even running them in place of A320's on light routes immedietly would have been a better resource allocation.
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I agree that is makes little sense to have 2 servicable aircraft parked up, I would have though that even running them in place of A320's on light routes immedietly would have been a better resource allocation.
If current A320/1 aircraft have lease payments outstanding on them - then surely it makes sense to continue to operate these frames and generate a return on them to service the payments due?
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My secret agent sources tell me today that it is 100% SFO from next March. MAD-IAD finishing
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Travel Tax
Looks like the plan to abolish the travel tax from Ireland is to be postponed. The claims that it was preventing airlines from opening new routes were made time and again by Irish Airlines.
It now looks as if the Minister has called their bluff as virtually no new routes are in the pipeline apart from Cork Las Palmas which is hardly going to generate any inward tourist traffic!
It now looks as if the Minister has called their bluff as virtually no new routes are in the pipeline apart from Cork Las Palmas which is hardly going to generate any inward tourist traffic!
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My secret agent sources tell me today that it is 100% SFO from next March. MAD-IAD finishing.
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I take the man at his word, BUT its hard to believe that United post merger with Continental do not have 1 spare airframe to operate the route themselves!!
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