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BCN
Does anyone know if EI are putting on a larger a/c or extra flights on BCN tomorrow the 2nd Dec from Dub?
If someone knows I'd really appreciate this.
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Shamrogue
If someone knows I'd really appreciate this.
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I honestly doubt it. EI having a bad day at the moment. the 105 and 111 from DUB and SNN is at IAD at the moment. Meaning x4 EI A330's at IAD today. The 2 JFKs, the 1 that has had its 2l door damaged by the UA ground staff and the one that operated the UA venture. Also the BOS 136/137 and the ORD 124/125 all cancelled so I seriously doubt it as there will be alot of backlog from todays TATL flights and cancellations. Good luck again all u guys in JFK that I know.
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Another 3 EI diversion to BFS this time an A330 from malaga and also 2 A320's from berlin and barcelona. Its shocking how much damage snow can cause to a transport system, especially an island like ireland where we practically get cut off from the outside world as show with the volocano disaster last year.
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The way things are down in Dublin what do you think the government will do with their shares in Aerlingus. will they sell to Ryanair or will the airline be given a chance to get another shareholder.
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Any money raised would go to fund the deficit i assume.labour party policy seems against selling state assets although they may give ground on some of the other semi states.would it be worth spending political capital to sell the ei stake only to have ryanair swallow it?but if things worsen could the govt arrange some sort of forced sale to ba or af via the imf?
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EI Shares
The Government will not sell to FR under any circumstances.It has made this clear time and time again
FR cannot buy them anyway, as it would be against EU competition rules.
FR should just offer their shares to the market, allowing another bidder take both the government and FR shares. However MOL has never admitted making a mistake and can never be wrong so I cannot see this happening
A bigger problem is would anyone else be interested?
FR cannot buy them anyway, as it would be against EU competition rules.
FR should just offer their shares to the market, allowing another bidder take both the government and FR shares. However MOL has never admitted making a mistake and can never be wrong so I cannot see this happening
A bigger problem is would anyone else be interested?
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EI Equity Shareholding Composition
The Irish government will not dispose of their shareholding to FR, regardless of the current economic perils - nor would this be legally permissible as has already been demonstrated in the recent past.
However - there are indications of moves afoot at this time in relation to the composition of the EI shareholding - specifically the movement towards one outright dominant shareholding. In any such case, the Irish government would still maintain a certain level of shareholding.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a likely investor take, or attempt to take a majority equity holding within the next twelve - eighteen months
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However - there are indications of moves afoot at this time in relation to the composition of the EI shareholding - specifically the movement towards one outright dominant shareholding. In any such case, the Irish government would still maintain a certain level of shareholding.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a likely investor take, or attempt to take a majority equity holding within the next twelve - eighteen months
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Ryanair takeover is a dead duck(sy).
I lifted this off the BA cabin crew thread: 5. Redeployment agreement - British Airways is trying to remove this cornerstone of security; if your area is closed or has no work, your historic pay protections and right to redeploy on protected conditions must be maintained. This is the sort of game ahead for AL pilots. Whinging about 5261 (which hasn't happened in 4 years) is fiddling while the firelighters are being put in place.
The Government stake will be sold but not to FR. Ialpa should be focussing on the Job and Work Security of its members rather than the Job security of one important member.
I lifted this off the BA cabin crew thread: 5. Redeployment agreement - British Airways is trying to remove this cornerstone of security; if your area is closed or has no work, your historic pay protections and right to redeploy on protected conditions must be maintained. This is the sort of game ahead for AL pilots. Whinging about 5261 (which hasn't happened in 4 years) is fiddling while the firelighters are being put in place.
The Government stake will be sold but not to FR. Ialpa should be focussing on the Job and Work Security of its members rather than the Job security of one important member.
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To reply to EISNN in relation to cabin crew disrupting the company:
While there are no hire-ins and very few cancellations the disruption isn't very apparent or dramatic. But as someone who is watching from the sidelines I can confirm that there is a lot more juggling of crew/schedule going on in the background that is not obvious to cabin crew.
EI are also having to draft in crew from LGW/BFS to crew flights out of DUB, which is completely contrary to both the Greenfield plan and the subsequent undertaking EI gave to the LRC/crew during the summer.
The withdrawal of flexiiblity by crew has hit EI by the large number of flights cancelled due to crew hours over the last week. It shows how EI relay on the goodwill of their staff (all groups,not just cabin crew)to get past operational disruptions.
I have also been told a T/A flight was significantly delayed yesterday as EI tried to coerce crew to operate with less than the required crew level onboard. The had to delay to try get another crew member to join.
EI have also refused to go to the labour court to get clarification on how the LRC ruling should be interpreted. Doesn't sound like a party who believes/knows they are in the right.......
While there are no hire-ins and very few cancellations the disruption isn't very apparent or dramatic. But as someone who is watching from the sidelines I can confirm that there is a lot more juggling of crew/schedule going on in the background that is not obvious to cabin crew.
EI are also having to draft in crew from LGW/BFS to crew flights out of DUB, which is completely contrary to both the Greenfield plan and the subsequent undertaking EI gave to the LRC/crew during the summer.
The withdrawal of flexiiblity by crew has hit EI by the large number of flights cancelled due to crew hours over the last week. It shows how EI relay on the goodwill of their staff (all groups,not just cabin crew)to get past operational disruptions.
I have also been told a T/A flight was significantly delayed yesterday as EI tried to coerce crew to operate with less than the required crew level onboard. The had to delay to try get another crew member to join.
EI have also refused to go to the labour court to get clarification on how the LRC ruling should be interpreted. Doesn't sound like a party who believes/knows they are in the right.......
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Dollarbill its clear from your statement above you're cabin crew but not a union representative. Look! I'm not disputing the goodwill of cabin crew or pilots in any airline or that you may have had disruptions. But in a week or so the bad weather that you have in Dublin will be gone and what then? Goodwill is a very nice thing to do but no matter what job you're in it will eventually be taken advantage of. That is not a swipe at anyone or any side it's just a fact of human behaviour and business.
As for a flight yesterday that was short a crew member. Aren't ye already at minimum numbers? How would any airline be allowed to operate a flight or flights with less than legal minimum? Are there special allowances made by the aviation authority and/or by Airbus in special/exceptional circumstances?
As for the LRC situation. My understanding is that the report is as clear as mud. Yes both sides should be back in to clarify. I'm not convinced though by either side yet as to who's fault it is why ye are where are. EI saythey got agreement and cabin crew are saying EI management are playing foul. It's easy to believe both sides and the LRC or Labour court commissioners are clearly not doing their job properly.
As for a flight yesterday that was short a crew member. Aren't ye already at minimum numbers? How would any airline be allowed to operate a flight or flights with less than legal minimum? Are there special allowances made by the aviation authority and/or by Airbus in special/exceptional circumstances?
As for the LRC situation. My understanding is that the report is as clear as mud. Yes both sides should be back in to clarify. I'm not convinced though by either side yet as to who's fault it is why ye are where are. EI saythey got agreement and cabin crew are saying EI management are playing foul. It's easy to believe both sides and the LRC or Labour court commissioners are clearly not doing their job properly.
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The problem with the LRC Ruling is that EI Management are selectively interpreting the entire document verbatim and therein lies the problem.
In the context of mutual understanding, both parties would have agreed to the recommendations of the ruling whilst still maintaining various implied practices/processes that have developed or been agreed over time - that have not been specifically excluded or abolished under the terms of agreement of the ammended Greenfield plan.
For as long as EI try to continue to interpret the document in this manner and impose such sharp practice - they will encounter significant problems.
It's interesting to note from DB's post that EI tried to coerce crew into operating a TA flight with less than the minimum requirement - I'm sure the LRC would be interested if talks were to reconvene - Management are battling on at the moment because it's the Winter schedule and they are somewhat able to do so. Just wait until the summer schedule kicks in again next year if the current impass persists.
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In the context of mutual understanding, both parties would have agreed to the recommendations of the ruling whilst still maintaining various implied practices/processes that have developed or been agreed over time - that have not been specifically excluded or abolished under the terms of agreement of the ammended Greenfield plan.
For as long as EI try to continue to interpret the document in this manner and impose such sharp practice - they will encounter significant problems.
It's interesting to note from DB's post that EI tried to coerce crew into operating a TA flight with less than the minimum requirement - I'm sure the LRC would be interested if talks were to reconvene - Management are battling on at the moment because it's the Winter schedule and they are somewhat able to do so. Just wait until the summer schedule kicks in again next year if the current impass persists.
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Minimum Crew
As far as I am aware, if there are not the minimum required cabin crew (equal to number of doors) on board, then the flight cannot legally operate. I cannot see any Captain overruling that. Perhaps some of our flyers could clarify?
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I find it impossible to belive that EI would request a crew to operate with less than minimum numbers of crew - it is illegal for one thing! I think that the problem proberly lay with the fact that they were a crew member short and prob wanted to bring in a Cabin crew from another EI base to operate (trained on the aircraft of course!) So i think that rumours being spread of EI trying to get flights operated with less than minimum crew should stop here and now as this is the type of thing that damages an airlines reputation.
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The legal minimum crew complement and the minimum established under working agreements are not necessarily the same. I suspect there was no question of the former being breached.
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As far as I am aware, if there are not the minimum required cabin crew (equal to number of doors) on board, then the flight cannot legally operate. I cannot see any Captain overruling that. Perhaps some of our flyers could clarify?
If EI normally operate with a crew of 5 on an A320 with 180 seats, it is not normal for the crew to service the passengers with 4 crew, but would be legal.
More info required before people start throwing accusations of coercing and improper conduct by the airline.
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min crew of 8 for a 330. to return to base 7 ccm crew allowed, in liasion with management and IAA. It's a get out of jail ticket with a lot of paperwork etc. EIN would never depart anywhere illegally re crew or lack of thereafter.
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3 New Dublin Routes for 2011
Dublin - Stuttgart begins 27 March
Dublin - Perpignon begins 29 March
Dublin - Izmir begins 04 May
They seem to be taking advantage of tax reduction. Not booable yet bu up on new routes section of website.
Aer Lingus: Travel Information - New Routes 2011
Dublin - Perpignon begins 29 March
Dublin - Izmir begins 04 May
They seem to be taking advantage of tax reduction. Not booable yet bu up on new routes section of website.
Aer Lingus: Travel Information - New Routes 2011