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Inglebyboro said
"Why would Ryanair choose an airport, with the highest % of diverted flights from any UK airport, due to weather."
So why would'nt they? They chose Bristol which has an equally similar bad weather record, with a high, short and undulating runway problem. If Ryan Air want to increase their passenger carrying numbers then they will look at the bigger picture and fly from anywhere if the deal is right for them. After all it's not bad weather everyday at Bristol or Leeds or any airport. No where's perfect all the time in this part of NW Europe.
So just to add to the case, I believe that LBA is in with a chance of seeing an increased Ryan Air presence, probably sooner than some people think.
"Why would Ryanair choose an airport, with the highest % of diverted flights from any UK airport, due to weather."
So why would'nt they? They chose Bristol which has an equally similar bad weather record, with a high, short and undulating runway problem. If Ryan Air want to increase their passenger carrying numbers then they will look at the bigger picture and fly from anywhere if the deal is right for them. After all it's not bad weather everyday at Bristol or Leeds or any airport. No where's perfect all the time in this part of NW Europe.
So just to add to the case, I believe that LBA is in with a chance of seeing an increased Ryan Air presence, probably sooner than some people think.
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Thanks for digging out the stats - it is interesting stuff.
May I suggest we present a like-with-like comparison with full stats (rather than a ranking)?
That is, a comparison of LBA and its competitors including:
MAN
MME
NEW
DSA
EMA
BLK
HUY
We should know what LBA is up against (if at all) then.
(Any idea why Cardiff is such a poor performer? I can't think of an obvious reason).
May I suggest we present a like-with-like comparison with full stats (rather than a ranking)?
That is, a comparison of LBA and its competitors including:
MAN
MME
NEW
DSA
EMA
BLK
HUY
We should know what LBA is up against (if at all) then.
(Any idea why Cardiff is such a poor performer? I can't think of an obvious reason).
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Noting all the posts you guys have put up in favour of a RYR base at LBA. But surely there would be a very serious downside ? 
LS are not in the strongest position at present, poor financials, talk on many threads about route cut backs at various airports. Even suggestions that LS to move more into IT than ito developing other Loco routes & seeming to be looking at what resource they may have available to move into limited longhaul. With this sort of scenario, then facing serious competition at LBA from RYR, who would surely look at all routes & not just new ones, then adding in the final factor that perhaps there is unlikely to be significant growth in the UK for the next 12 months at least.
Seems to me that LS would have some serious problems....
LS are not in the strongest position at present, poor financials, talk on many threads about route cut backs at various airports. Even suggestions that LS to move more into IT than ito developing other Loco routes & seeming to be looking at what resource they may have available to move into limited longhaul. With this sort of scenario, then facing serious competition at LBA from RYR, who would surely look at all routes & not just new ones, then adding in the final factor that perhaps there is unlikely to be significant growth in the UK for the next 12 months at least.
Seems to me that LS would have some serious problems....
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Is an FR base possible
I know a lot of new concrete has been laid to the east of Taxiway Delta. But, how many empty stands are available each night? There might be a few at the moment, but when the full summer schedule is running, would their be any space of a Ryanair base? Without empty stands at night, no base is possible.
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LBA has 22 Stands available, which includes the last extension to the far eastern corner added last winter 2007.
I currently work out that for this comings summer 2008 season LBA will have the following 19 based aircraft on its stands over night.
8 x B737-300's = Jet2
4 x B757-200's = Jet2
1 x A320 = Thomas Cook
1 x A319 = bmi british midland
1 x ERJ135 = bmi regional
2 x ERJ145's = bmi regional
1 x BAe Jetstream 41 = Eastern Airways
1 x Fokker 100 = KLM City Hopper.
So yes, there will still be 3 spare stands up for grabs at LBA for more aircraft to be based if anyone/airline would like to park their aircraft over night here in Yorkshire
I currently work out that for this comings summer 2008 season LBA will have the following 19 based aircraft on its stands over night.
8 x B737-300's = Jet2
4 x B757-200's = Jet2
1 x A320 = Thomas Cook
1 x A319 = bmi british midland
1 x ERJ135 = bmi regional
2 x ERJ145's = bmi regional
1 x BAe Jetstream 41 = Eastern Airways
1 x Fokker 100 = KLM City Hopper.
So yes, there will still be 3 spare stands up for grabs at LBA for more aircraft to be based if anyone/airline would like to park their aircraft over night here in Yorkshire
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am i wrong in thinking that there are up to 6 new stands, depending on the a/c type. e.g. 6x737 or 4x757/767. could that mean potentially 6 of the jet2 737s could live down there? Also do eastern only have 1 based a/c? would still be struggling if something non-based went tech and stayed overnight though.
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Stands 19 to 24 are the new stands that came into service in 2007. You can either get 6 ERJ/ATR etc size aircraft on, or 4 x 737/757 size or 2 767/A300 etc size in total.
Stands 2 and 3 can only take J32/J41/SA227 etc. The Eastern service to ABZ is now operated by an ABZ based aircraft. Gets the ABZ businessmen into LBA earlier.
Manx2 do sometimes use stands 2 and 3, but it is now very rare that both of these stands are occupied.
(Please correct me if I am wrong by the way).
Stands 2 and 3 can only take J32/J41/SA227 etc. The Eastern service to ABZ is now operated by an ABZ based aircraft. Gets the ABZ businessmen into LBA earlier.
Manx2 do sometimes use stands 2 and 3, but it is now very rare that both of these stands are occupied.
(Please correct me if I am wrong by the way).
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Weather Thursday thro Sat
Looks like the number diverts might go up a bit by the end of this weekend, it isn't just fog thats a problem when your on top of a hill
Safe flying boys and girls
Safe flying boys and girls
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There seems to be a problem with some of the members who post on the Pprune Forums.Its a strong dislike of anything related to Leeds Bradford Airport.If its not the weather,its the state of the runway.If its not the number of diversions ,it the state of the terminal buildings.The LBA is expanding, unfortunately the money being spent has not kept up with the increase of passengers using it.
It appears the doom and gloom merchants are now forecasting the demise of Jet2.Their share value has gone down,so what look at the world wide picture no one is immune to falling share value.Check their last set of published results.It is not a company who thinks it is not going to be round for much longer.
Whats the reason for all this speculation? There have sold 3 slots to flybe,cut back on a few routes.Jet2 are a funny airline they like to make a profit, so if they cut back on the non profitable routes it makes good business sense.To the doom and gloom merchants thinking they are in trouble and it will all end in tears.
Their latest change to focus on the package holidays market seems to me a well thought out idea.It appears to be proving a success with the people that matter.I've booked one for February and five of my friends have already been on one.In their opinion excellent value for money. The most important asset that Jet2 has is the passengers who buy the tickets.Jet2 has a reputation second to none for the services it provides.Once you have flown with them you tend to use them again, and because of that they will be a round for a long time.
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It appears the doom and gloom merchants are now forecasting the demise of Jet2.Their share value has gone down,so what look at the world wide picture no one is immune to falling share value.Check their last set of published results.It is not a company who thinks it is not going to be round for much longer.
Whats the reason for all this speculation? There have sold 3 slots to flybe,cut back on a few routes.Jet2 are a funny airline they like to make a profit, so if they cut back on the non profitable routes it makes good business sense.To the doom and gloom merchants thinking they are in trouble and it will all end in tears.
Their latest change to focus on the package holidays market seems to me a well thought out idea.It appears to be proving a success with the people that matter.I've booked one for February and five of my friends have already been on one.In their opinion excellent value for money. The most important asset that Jet2 has is the passengers who buy the tickets.Jet2 has a reputation second to none for the services it provides.Once you have flown with them you tend to use them again, and because of that they will be a round for a long time.
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I know I am going to incur peoples wrath with this comment, but I disagree, I dont believe people 'have it in' for LBA they are merely speculating as people often do on this site.
The people of Leeds quite rightly are proud of their airport but may sometimes have slightly rose tinted spectacles where it is concerned.
I am sure that both Jet2 and Leeds will continuue apace, but this year will be a year of consolidation and you cannot deny Jet2 may see an opportunity or be an opportunity somewhere.
The people of Leeds quite rightly are proud of their airport but may sometimes have slightly rose tinted spectacles where it is concerned.
I am sure that both Jet2 and Leeds will continuue apace, but this year will be a year of consolidation and you cannot deny Jet2 may see an opportunity or be an opportunity somewhere.
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pwalhx - I agree I have flown with Jet2 many times and have no problems with LBA either.
However my personal opinion based on many years as an analyst in the industry is that Jet2 are in serious trouble unlike other locos the share price has, in percentage terms, not just fallen but fallen through the floor.
Entering the charter market does strike me as an act of desperation as this sector is the graveyard of many an airline.
I hope im wrong but the data I am seeing indicates that Jet2 will become the first major casualty of 2008 hope Im wrong but lets wait and see!
However my personal opinion based on many years as an analyst in the industry is that Jet2 are in serious trouble unlike other locos the share price has, in percentage terms, not just fallen but fallen through the floor.
Entering the charter market does strike me as an act of desperation as this sector is the graveyard of many an airline.
I hope im wrong but the data I am seeing indicates that Jet2 will become the first major casualty of 2008 hope Im wrong but lets wait and see!
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I know you like facts, google FT then go upper case DTG.LSE, click one year.
IMHO the 757 was the first error they made, trying to take on the big boys on at IT was the second.
God help Leeds if it goes tits up!!
IMHO the 757 was the first error they made, trying to take on the big boys on at IT was the second.
God help Leeds if it goes tits up!!
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You w'ont incur my wrath with your comment.I do not have any rose tinted glasses, but I have watched the airport grow over the last 60 years.It is my local airport and I am proud of it despite its many limitations. I know what is required to improve it apart from levelling the Chevin.Unfortunately I do not have the sort of money required to make the improvements,that hopefully will be left to Bridgeport.
Your last point may well be true.Jet2 is only a little fish in the sea and they are a lot of big sharks out there ready to eat them up.If there is to be further consolidation out there then maybe Jet2 should be the one doing it.The turbulance in the financial markets at this time would be problematic in finding the financial resources required should a opportunity arise.
Now that I have reread my posts is there anybody who has a pair of rose tinted glasses they could lend me.
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You w'ont incur my wrath with your comment.I do not have any rose tinted glasses, but I have watched the airport grow over the last 60 years.It is my local airport and I am proud of it despite its many limitations. I know what is required to improve it apart from levelling the Chevin.Unfortunately I do not have the sort of money required to make the improvements,that hopefully will be left to Bridgeport.
Your last point may well be true.Jet2 is only a little fish in the sea and they are a lot of big sharks out there ready to eat them up.If there is to be further consolidation out there then maybe Jet2 should be the one doing it.The turbulance in the financial markets at this time would be problematic in finding the financial resources required should a opportunity arise.
Now that I have reread my posts is there anybody who has a pair of rose tinted glasses they could lend me.
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You are so right about the LBA bashers and it's always the same few who are responsible. I hate to say it, but the majority are from the airport down the road. From the airport that isn't doing particularly well and is having to ask the council for reduced tax rates.
The majority of people that don't think LBA is a success probably haven't even ever been there. All anyone has to do is visit the airport at the crack of dawn to see the line-up of aircraft on the ramp preparing for departure.
When will the tirade of hate ever stop?
You are so right about the LBA bashers and it's always the same few who are responsible. I hate to say it, but the majority are from the airport down the road. From the airport that isn't doing particularly well and is having to ask the council for reduced tax rates.
The majority of people that don't think LBA is a success probably haven't even ever been there. All anyone has to do is visit the airport at the crack of dawn to see the line-up of aircraft on the ramp preparing for departure.
When will the tirade of hate ever stop?
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No need for an apology pwalhx I did realise it was a generalisation.
Everybody at sometime in their life wear that particular type of glasses.
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Everybody at sometime in their life wear that particular type of glasses.
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