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Old 7th Jun 2008, 08:48
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Sorry to intrude on Islamabrad but does anyone know why the 'public transport' from LBA is actually a one taxi firm monopoly supported, literally, by a bad bus service ?

LBA is restricted to road-based public transport because trains can't climb hills
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Thy do clime hills I know I work on them.

If they put a link in from the old Menston to Arlington with a spur up to the airport, Thne you could have trains from Bradford, Skipton, Ilkley, Leeds. Harrrogate, York Via Harrogate, and all stations in between.
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Old 7th Jun 2008, 11:13
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There are two options at the moment.
These have both been put forward over the last year or two.
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A spur from the Bramhope Tunnel.This is part of the Leeds Harrogate Line and is about 1 mile distance from the airport.
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Run a spur from Guiseley using the Leeds,Bradford to Ilkley Line.
Up hill all the way and approx 2-4 miles.It as been suggested to use some of the new railway/tram units like in Germany.
The major stumbling block would be the cost of building the extension from either line.

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Old 7th Jun 2008, 16:36
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choo choos

i've got the answer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funicular


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Old 7th Jun 2008, 21:56
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Thanks for info. to date but why is only one taxi firm allowed?
Is it the fashionable franchise/stuff the customer routine or an old fashioned brown envelope?
Any LBA employee got their whistle to hand?
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A lot of aircrew do ring up another local company which is located down the road which will offer a cheaper fare! Any one can still ring up for another company but they have to pick up in the short stay car park, where as the main chosen company can get in the closer car park
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Old 8th Jun 2008, 09:53
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The only logical extension of a railway into LBA is off the Harrogate Line as there is hardly any buliding's around and it would be much simpler and wouldnt cost as much!!
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Old 8th Jun 2008, 13:39
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There use to be a line from the other side of Bramhope tunnel, (Harrogate side) which went through Pool, and Otley all the way to Menston.

Most of this track bed is still there, Also again from the Harrogate line the track bed to Wethaby is also there.
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THe old track bed in Pool is now a housing estate, the house owners will not like the 14:50 Otley to the LBA going through their dining rooms.
The Otley end is now a bypass connecting Leeds Rd with Bradford Rd.

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Old 8th Jun 2008, 17:25
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Anything coming off the old Arthington-Menston line would need a funicular to reach the airport because of the Chevin, it is at it's steepest on that side. Also, as pointed out, already some buildings on the track bed in the Pool area.
One day, maybe in the distant future, the Menston to Otley section may be reinstated, but this will be of no use to the airport.
There is only one realistic rail option for the airport and that is a branch coming off the Harrogate line somewhere between Horsforth and Bramhope tunnel. This might have stood a better chance had the Leeds-Harrogate line been chosen to trial the new tram-trains, but this seems to have gone to a line out of Sheffield.
Personally, I would have thought the most cost effective option would be some sort of automated monorail shuttle, similar to that used between the terminals at Gatwick, to link the airport and Horsforth station.
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Can just see the local NIMBY's loving that idea
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Old 8th Jun 2008, 22:40
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Lba Rail

I noticed a shiny rail track, must be North of Horsforth, on the approach but when I mentione it to my local mates, they said there was '....-all' chance of a short (one mile?) link being built to LBA because of noise and it's green belt.
I concluded that this is NIMBY and taxi-monopoly nonsense because the area in question is within sight, as well as hearing and smelling distance, of LBA activities.
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Old 9th Jun 2008, 07:06
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Re rail links

There is also the question of topography. The gradient of the line would be steep (by railway standards).
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The gradient should not be a problem for modern diesel or electric traction, and if the local authority (Leeds) backs the plan, green belt would not be an insurmountable problem.

Probably the best option would be an electrified link between Guiseley-Airport-Horsforth, and continuation of the electrified system down from Horsforth to Leeds. This would permit the runing of "Circular" Leeds Guiseley-Horsforth-Leeds and vice-versa services which would be a great boon for commuters in the key dormitory towns of Guiseley, Horsforth and Headingley, with the added bonus of providing a great service to the airport.

Main issue would as always be funding, as most of rail transport funds being spent on systems for Greater London and the South East, such as the Crosslink rail system.
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Old 9th Jun 2008, 12:30
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You are correct about the funding Bob, London allways come's first.
However, Funding can also come from the WYPTE, Yorkshire Forward, The airport they have 70 million to spen, and the European Union
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Old 9th Jun 2008, 16:28
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Could we get back to the PIA rumour, this is exciting if its true. Anybody else heard anymore?
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Old 9th Jun 2008, 17:50
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Not heard any rumours on the freight side, and if indeed they are planning to start beginning of July you would have expected to by now.
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Old 9th Jun 2008, 18:32
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Hi

PIA's New LBA-Islamabad route will operate twice weekly on Wednesdays & Saturday with A310-300 aircraft.

The flights will arrive LBA mid afternoon at around 3pm and depart back to Pakistan early evening at around 7pm.
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Old 9th Jun 2008, 18:36
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When can we expect a proper announcement and it to be bookable on their website then? And what is the start date?
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Old 9th Jun 2008, 19:29
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When can we expect a proper announcement and it to be bookable on their website then? And what is the start date?
It wont be bookable on the PIA website. As you may already know PIA's International flights are not bookable on it's own website. You can only book Domestic sectors on its website at the moment. So you'll have to go through one of PIA’s booking agents here in the UK or in Pakistan

I can only guess that an announcement will be made once everything has been finalised between PIA & LBIA's management, Also an Handling agent has to be allocated yet. Either servisair or Aviance.

Anyone know which handling agent they'll chose to serve them here at LBA?
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