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LBA drop off zone
I must say the drop off zone is appalling.
Drivers entering through the barrier are projected into no mans land.
Total chaos,nobody knows what to do.
You immediately enter a car park that can be obstructed by cars trying to park.Then what? where the hell are you supposed to go?
I know because I have been using this dreadful airport for donkey's years and it has never been so bad.
I help my ageing passengers to dissembark with an abundance of luggage.
We fight our way accross pavements and god knows what.
In driving rain,near freezing temperatures.My passengers cannot breath.
We arrive in the departure dump in a very bad state.
I help the best I can.
I finally make my way back to the car.
Drive to barrier only to find I must have overun by a few minutes.
I fought to repark.
Went back into the shed soaking wet and paid 2.10. for my pleasure and left.
The noise of the jet engines being drowned out by the clicking of white sticks in the board room.
wawkrk
Drivers entering through the barrier are projected into no mans land.
Total chaos,nobody knows what to do.
You immediately enter a car park that can be obstructed by cars trying to park.Then what? where the hell are you supposed to go?
I know because I have been using this dreadful airport for donkey's years and it has never been so bad.
I help my ageing passengers to dissembark with an abundance of luggage.
We fight our way accross pavements and god knows what.
In driving rain,near freezing temperatures.My passengers cannot breath.
We arrive in the departure dump in a very bad state.
I help the best I can.
I finally make my way back to the car.
Drive to barrier only to find I must have overun by a few minutes.
I fought to repark.
Went back into the shed soaking wet and paid 2.10. for my pleasure and left.
The noise of the jet engines being drowned out by the clicking of white sticks in the board room.
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I agree it is a pain but you have to remember the reason behind it and that is for your security post the attack in Glasgow.
Does any body know if and when the airport roads to all airports will reopen back to normal?
Does any body know if and when the airport roads to all airports will reopen back to normal?
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I am tired of hearing it is for my security.
This is not the point.
It is the way the whole layout is totally dissorganised.
The pavement on the left which seperates the through road from the empty car park could have been removed in 1 day and another 1 or 2 lanes created for dropping off.
The airport needs to continue to function for the benefit of its paying customers.It is not good enough to continue to say new plans will be published soon as we constantly hear.
Tell this to some visitor from China. Not all pax are eating Yorkshire Pudding and reading the Yorkshire Post and waiting months and months for news.They only care about now.
Delaying excuses can only be used for a small underfunded municipal airport which it is not any longer.Or is it?
This is not the point.
It is the way the whole layout is totally dissorganised.
The pavement on the left which seperates the through road from the empty car park could have been removed in 1 day and another 1 or 2 lanes created for dropping off.
The airport needs to continue to function for the benefit of its paying customers.It is not good enough to continue to say new plans will be published soon as we constantly hear.
Tell this to some visitor from China. Not all pax are eating Yorkshire Pudding and reading the Yorkshire Post and waiting months and months for news.They only care about now.
Delaying excuses can only be used for a small underfunded municipal airport which it is not any longer.Or is it?
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Whilst I agree with your comments, I cannot see a quick re-opening of the drop off area. All those extra £2.10s make the parking a useful profit centre.... and it helps give a so called 'green image' by making car drivers pay. If we all used public transport (by that I mean buses, as the aeroplane is technically public transport) where would the airport make its money?
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It seems that the airport taxi monopoly has come into being as of yesterday. I was a little confused as to what I was supposed to do when I arrived this afternoon as there are now no taxis parked outside the terminal building, but there are a few yellowcoats around directing people back inside.
The taxi company now has a large office right by arrivals where you pay a fixed price for your trip in advance (enabling credit card payments which is a big plus) and you then get sent outside to the car park with your receipt to a designated driver.
The drivers were a little concerned the taxi company didn't have enough drivers for the peak hours and things were quite cahotic at the moment. However for my 1400 arrival it couldn't have been easier, I even paid the lowest taxi fare I've ever paid for my journey in 3 years of doing it! I'm not sure what mechanisms are in place to ensure the taxi company doesn't abuse its monopoly to rip people off though, apparently they have a 5 year deal with the airport!
The taxi company now has a large office right by arrivals where you pay a fixed price for your trip in advance (enabling credit card payments which is a big plus) and you then get sent outside to the car park with your receipt to a designated driver.
The drivers were a little concerned the taxi company didn't have enough drivers for the peak hours and things were quite cahotic at the moment. However for my 1400 arrival it couldn't have been easier, I even paid the lowest taxi fare I've ever paid for my journey in 3 years of doing it! I'm not sure what mechanisms are in place to ensure the taxi company doesn't abuse its monopoly to rip people off though, apparently they have a 5 year deal with the airport!
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Hi
It looks as though Thomas Cook Airlines will be basing all year round at LBA. As it was announced today by the airport and tour operator that they will be operating a based programme of 3 weekly flights next winter 2008/09 season.
Flights to Arrecife on Thursdays, Tenerife on Fridays and a Las Palmas service on Saturday.
It looks as though Thomas Cook Airlines will be basing all year round at LBA. As it was announced today by the airport and tour operator that they will be operating a based programme of 3 weekly flights next winter 2008/09 season.
Flights to Arrecife on Thursdays, Tenerife on Fridays and a Las Palmas service on Saturday.
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MightyMouse and ByAlphaIndia- have you read the comments on pages 10 and 11? Post 200 pointed out that aeroplanes weren't diverting. They are. How can people who find the place convenient or like working there understand that as an airport, this place is as deadly as Congonhas. Horrid small rough-as-hell runway, it's going to kill people when they go charging off the end of 14. Such airports shouldn't be licensed, and the fact that some idiot company was willing to pay a fortune for a totally inadequate airport should not be seen as official endorsement that 'it's OK'. It's not, and the way ahead is to cut and run, not give this place artificial life that it cannot sustain. Any investment is doomed to failure. It's not an attack on the North, or Yorkshire, it's the truth. There are voices that nobody listens to. It cannot support longhaul, even if it is possible to stretch the runway, either direction it's a dud. If only they would have the courage to cut and run- it would prevent people saying for the next 30 years 'why have MAN done so well, and Doncaster, and Leeds has just bumbled along?' Because the place is hopeless!
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Why the vitriol Rainboe?
Yes the place needs a good sort out. We can all agree on that. Don't forget that we are getting long haul flights next month thanks to Shaheen Air.
What evidence do you have to say that the place is 'deadly'? When was the last time an airliner crashed and burned at LBA? That's a very bad word to use IMHO.
Yes the place needs a good sort out. We can all agree on that. Don't forget that we are getting long haul flights next month thanks to Shaheen Air.
What evidence do you have to say that the place is 'deadly'? When was the last time an airliner crashed and burned at LBA? That's a very bad word to use IMHO.
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I totally agree RobT100. Rainboe spends nearly all his pprune life attacking LBA almost as if he and the airport parted company on bad terms. You have made your point, the same point in fact more times than I care to remember. Move on Rainboe, move on to a different airport!
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Well said, this security is a total joke. They allow Taxi and Buses up to the terminal who says they they do not contain a bomb!!
Had the same thing happen to me and got soaked and my friend who just had her hair done was also soaked as the car park does not have any shelter.
It is totally disgusting a total lack of care from the airport towards it customers, who are having to pay for its use and extortionate car parking fees.
L
Well said, this security is a total joke. They allow Taxi and Buses up to the terminal who says they they do not contain a bomb!!
Had the same thing happen to me and got soaked and my friend who just had her hair done was also soaked as the car park does not have any shelter.
It is totally disgusting a total lack of care from the airport towards it customers, who are having to pay for its use and extortionate car parking fees.
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They allow Taxi and Buses up to the terminal who says they they do not contain a bomb!!
Everyone is complaining about the situation at LBA. Why can't we just deal with and move on! If there was a bomb/terrorist activity at LBA then everyone would be like ooooooh stupid old LBA with rubbish security policies. People may be happy to criticise the situation, but if you (not specific to anyone) or one of your loved ones was involved with a security breach because of insufficient security then you would be the first to criticise!
And if LBA is such a 'deadly' place then bmi, Jet2, FlyBe, Eastern, Air Southwest, Ryanair, Thomsonfly, Thomas Cook, First Choice, Air Europa, Aer Arann, KLM etc etc must all have a deathwish .........
How about everyone gives LBA and its new owners a break! Sure its not perfect but things are chaning! I can think of many faults with other airports but people don't go on and on about them!!!
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Open your eyes and live in the real world!!!
At Manchester, you park your car and shelter to the terminal and most other airports have shelter or a shuttle service so that you as a customer do not get soaked just because some jumped up person will not allow access to the terminal for drop off passengers on a very windy and rainy evening, or the owners cannot provide some sort of shelter from the car park and by the way it cost me £5 60 for that simple drop off.
LBA (like some other airports) is a total rip off and as for the new owner ahahah you have got to be joking. I will not give these new owners a break, why! because they have done nothing to improve the Airport or its operation.
You know, I will be using Manchester from now on, treated a lot better there.
I know that security is security but it has gone beyond a joke now!!!!!!
L
Open your eyes and live in the real world!!!
At Manchester, you park your car and shelter to the terminal and most other airports have shelter or a shuttle service so that you as a customer do not get soaked just because some jumped up person will not allow access to the terminal for drop off passengers on a very windy and rainy evening, or the owners cannot provide some sort of shelter from the car park and by the way it cost me £5 60 for that simple drop off.
LBA (like some other airports) is a total rip off and as for the new owner ahahah you have got to be joking. I will not give these new owners a break, why! because they have done nothing to improve the Airport or its operation.
You know, I will be using Manchester from now on, treated a lot better there.
I know that security is security but it has gone beyond a joke now!!!!!!
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Travelled through LBA this morning for the first time from BHD. Terminal was bery quiet, had some breakfast (which was fine) and tried to get a hire car. Hertz and Europcar had nothing and Avis had one car left - on a quiet Wenesday morning! Then (maybe I was a bit dozy after my early start and big breakfast) I couldn't find the way out. When I did get out I couldnt see any signs for the hire car area - eventually found it in a hole (after walking 200 yds the wrong way in the rain) and went through the nonsense of driving through the short stay car park to get out.
Come on guys - a wee bit of signage wouldnt go amiss.
Come on guys - a wee bit of signage wouldnt go amiss.
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MightyMouse and ByAlphaIndia- have you read the comments on pages 10 and 11? Post 200 pointed out that aeroplanes weren't diverting. They are. How can people who find the place convenient or like working there understand that as an airport, this place is as deadly as Congonhas. Horrid small rough-as-hell runway, it's going to kill people when they go charging off the end of 14. Such airports shouldn't be licensed, and the fact that some idiot company was willing to pay a fortune for a totally inadequate airport should not be seen as official endorsement that 'it's OK'. It's not, and the way ahead is to cut and run, not give this place artificial life that it cannot sustain. Any investment is doomed to failure. It's not an attack on the North, or Yorkshire, it's the truth. There are voices that nobody listens to. It cannot support longhaul, even if it is possible to stretch the runway, either direction it's a dud. If only they would have the courage to cut and run- it would prevent people saying for the next 30 years 'why have MAN done so well, and Doncaster, and Leeds has just bumbled along?' Because the place is hopeless!
Rainbow, I understand what you are saying, But I wouldn't give up on Yeadon International Airport.
Like I have already said in previous posts, The main problem with the Airport is the selling side - The Airport does not do hard sell, It does not
do deals with Airlines eg Landing/Parking fees.
If the Airport was a bit more 'neogotiating' then we would see more business coming in, U2 - Easy approached them years ago before LIV and put its plans on the table - But no no deals would be done whatsoever.
The reason a deal was not done, Was because the Airport was 'frightened' to death of upsetting BD & Air UK the only 2 Airlines operating schedules at the time, Easy would have doubled their Pax figures in the 1st year.
Easy had planned to base upto 4 Aircraft there, But it needed a cost deal to be arranged on the Landing/Parking fees, It was the only viable way for Easy.
In the end the Airport did what it thought was best, And lost Easy to LIV.
I think the only way forward for this Yorkshire Airport is to get a whole new sales/marketing team in, Hard sell, Negotiate with Operators/ Airlines
Keep the current residents happy - Jet2- But not 'Babysit' them, And have a more 'Hungry' approach to driving the Airport forward.
Im afraid an Airport that has the 'Old Fashioned' style of no Bargaining will not expand anymore, In my opinion Bridgepoint should bring in a whole new 'Team' and brush away the cobwebs of an Airport typically engraved in it's outdated, Non approachable way of working that it has unfortunately had over the past 40 years.
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...so we have a new owner and CEO, intent on rebuilding the terminal, which involves rerouting the traffic system, at a time when another regional airport has been car-bombed. How can all that happen overnight?
The old adage in carpentry of 'Measure twice, cut once' surely applies at airport development to an even greater degree. Correspondents are criticising LBIA for not having started to dig roads up and pull walls down immediately. What about the planning process? Surely a bit of thought has to go into it, and that takes time.
Security? Yes the measures appear strange to the uninitiated. But the screening rules are set by the DfT and are not the product of an LBIA manager's deranged imagination. If the airport doesn't comply, it gets penalised. And you can't drive up to the door any longer? Tough. Can you at any other airport? There has been some thought and planning put into the vehicle access procedures but you won't know what the process is because it is, quite rightly, confidential.
There is a genuine intention to move LBIA forward. They don't tell Pprune what is planned and why should they? Yes, LBIA is pretty dire at present but at least give them a chance to get it sorted out.
The old adage in carpentry of 'Measure twice, cut once' surely applies at airport development to an even greater degree. Correspondents are criticising LBIA for not having started to dig roads up and pull walls down immediately. What about the planning process? Surely a bit of thought has to go into it, and that takes time.
Security? Yes the measures appear strange to the uninitiated. But the screening rules are set by the DfT and are not the product of an LBIA manager's deranged imagination. If the airport doesn't comply, it gets penalised. And you can't drive up to the door any longer? Tough. Can you at any other airport? There has been some thought and planning put into the vehicle access procedures but you won't know what the process is because it is, quite rightly, confidential.
There is a genuine intention to move LBIA forward. They don't tell Pprune what is planned and why should they? Yes, LBIA is pretty dire at present but at least give them a chance to get it sorted out.
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Anyway, back to news more positive.
The Shaheen Air announcement has finally hit the LBA website today. Also mentions a possible increase in frequency if the twice-weekly flights work out well.
The Shaheen Air announcement has finally hit the LBA website today. Also mentions a possible increase in frequency if the twice-weekly flights work out well.
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Shaheen Air - Direct Flights to Pakistan
Shaheen Air (on the LBIA website) has just officially announced direct non-stop flights to Islamabad with a two class A310 starting 7 Feb, twice weekly.
Has been rumoured for months and now looks like it might happen at long last.
Has been rumoured for months and now looks like it might happen at long last.