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Bratislava
Interesting rumour regarding Wizz Air on the Bratislava route.
2 years ago Wizz were actively planning on setting up a Bratislava base, but got sidelined by priorities / opportunities elsewhere. So it's very credible to think that they are now poised to finally arrive at Bratislava, especially if they consider Sky Europe to be in a weakening position...
PS - Please introduce Budapest! And I sure as hell hope the CAA are not insisting a full year must pass before an airline is entitled to support on the Budapest route
2 years ago Wizz were actively planning on setting up a Bratislava base, but got sidelined by priorities / opportunities elsewhere. So it's very credible to think that they are now poised to finally arrive at Bratislava, especially if they consider Sky Europe to be in a weakening position...
PS - Please introduce Budapest! And I sure as hell hope the CAA are not insisting a full year must pass before an airline is entitled to support on the Budapest route
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Not a hope I'd say, downturn being blamed but there's always some excuse. Apparantly the CAA has made its case to the major carriers and the ball is in their court now.
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Haven't got the numbers but heard the Cork-US traffic via Dublin with Aer Arann is going well even though they don't seem to advertise the Aer Lingus interline agreement.
Now that Ryanair is dropping the EMA service from both Cork and Shannon from November, it seems like a good opportunity for Aer Arann to come on this route from Cork.
Now that Ryanair is dropping the EMA service from both Cork and Shannon from November, it seems like a good opportunity for Aer Arann to come on this route from Cork.
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hard to imigine how the Cork US connection is going so well as the prices are really high compared to flying to SNN. On 3 separate searches from BOS-SNN or BOS-ORK, there is over $220 difference.
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Interline Agreement
It is also difficult to fully gauge the extent of TA connections through Dublin when the Cork-US price includes a premium for the interline (i.e. it is by nature more expensive than the sum of the price of the two individual legs to Dublin and onward). This makes it difficult to attract any leisure passengers via the interline agreement and indeed many frequent travellers use the Dublin connection but using two tickets. A secondary reason given is the interline option offered is not the preferred flight option e.g. the 7am or 8am (at weekends) Cork Dublin flight is often shown in combination with the evening Dublin JFK service and not the mid-morning EI 105. There is no doubt that some recent fine tuning has improved this (with the RE 602 now to leave at 0650) and as already said a bit of marketing would not go amiss.
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The differential makes this option a farce.
I'd say Aerlingus are only interested in capturing some of the lucurative business traffic that transits through LHR as they know that the leisure end of the market will continue to fly to Shannon and make the journey like tired zombies to Cork.
For years they tried to woo first class pax to travel by limousine etc to Shannon free of charge but it never really worked.
Business people aren't as compliant as leisure passengers when it comes to supporting the Shannon Agenda.
I'd say Aerlingus are only interested in capturing some of the lucurative business traffic that transits through LHR as they know that the leisure end of the market will continue to fly to Shannon and make the journey like tired zombies to Cork.
For years they tried to woo first class pax to travel by limousine etc to Shannon free of charge but it never really worked.
Business people aren't as compliant as leisure passengers when it comes to supporting the Shannon Agenda.
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And so it goes on, then. Make mugs of Cork passengers again by selling 'em an interlining flight to Dublin at 8 am and then to ass around the Dublin Airport Pi55pot until a 5 pm flight to New York.
You'd want to be a sucker to be taken in by that kind of choice!
And the glorious next best alternative for US bound Cork pax - take the available surface transport to the De Valerean gombeen ridden mafia port in the mid west!
Every day you got to ask yourself just how many more Cork people end up bending over taking it up the jacksie in the above kind of arrangement? It is just like some kind of gormless mythical haze that seems to wrap itself around so many Cork people wanting to go to America that they somehow feel that they must end up motoring their way up along the highways and the byways of north Cork and Limerick to the seat of Irish aviation's gombeen HQ.
Cork Airport has little chance against these odds.
You'd want to be a sucker to be taken in by that kind of choice!
And the glorious next best alternative for US bound Cork pax - take the available surface transport to the De Valerean gombeen ridden mafia port in the mid west!
Every day you got to ask yourself just how many more Cork people end up bending over taking it up the jacksie in the above kind of arrangement? It is just like some kind of gormless mythical haze that seems to wrap itself around so many Cork people wanting to go to America that they somehow feel that they must end up motoring their way up along the highways and the byways of north Cork and Limerick to the seat of Irish aviation's gombeen HQ.
Cork Airport has little chance against these odds.
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Jees Tom, why so much anger for SNN. If ye want TA services then go get them. If so many poepole are travelling to the US from Cork then how come DL and CO are not beating the door down? The stopover is gone and an open market is there so let go the SNN scapegoat thing, just cause their runway is longer than yours.
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I'm sure ORK will figure out the whole t/a thing once the world's economy stabilizes a little. And when it does then SNN will be in trouble. It won't have it's stopover to help it then, longer runway and all:-)
I'm sure ORK will figure out the whole t/a thing once the world's economy stabilizes a little. And when it does then SNN will be in trouble. It won't have it's stopover to help it then, longer runway and all:-)
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Why all the dicussion on TA pax from ORK travlling via SNN or DUB ?
Having used both SNN & DUB, my last three trips stateside have been via LHR. EI provide a good service to LHR from ORK, you have better choice and in all cases it has been cheaper that travelling via SNN or DUB. I'm assuming that if I found it cheaper and better - that I'm not alone.
The interlining agreement with RE is a bit of a nonsense, in the past where you had to get your travel agent to do the booking - one through-ticket made sense. With EI's agreements with AA or BA you can still easily book one ticket from ORK to the US. My prefered option is to use EI & VS and I've never had a problem with it.
If TA travel is to be provided from ORK in the future it is likely to be at a premium, (single airline - no competition) and at best serve some East Coast destinations such as NY & BOS.
Do you think people will pay a €200 to €400 premium to travel direct from Cork to the US? Even the most civic minded and proud Corkonians would find that difficult to swallow !
Having used both SNN & DUB, my last three trips stateside have been via LHR. EI provide a good service to LHR from ORK, you have better choice and in all cases it has been cheaper that travelling via SNN or DUB. I'm assuming that if I found it cheaper and better - that I'm not alone.
The interlining agreement with RE is a bit of a nonsense, in the past where you had to get your travel agent to do the booking - one through-ticket made sense. With EI's agreements with AA or BA you can still easily book one ticket from ORK to the US. My prefered option is to use EI & VS and I've never had a problem with it.
If TA travel is to be provided from ORK in the future it is likely to be at a premium, (single airline - no competition) and at best serve some East Coast destinations such as NY & BOS.
Do you think people will pay a €200 to €400 premium to travel direct from Cork to the US? Even the most civic minded and proud Corkonians would find that difficult to swallow !
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Much better option is to go ORK LHR and onwards to almost anywhere in the US. I'd never use SNN, it's an LCC base in the middle of nowhere with flights to the east coast of the US.
Which is probably why the biggest LCC, Ryanair, uses it to connect to other European airports in the middle of nowhere!
Which is probably why the biggest LCC, Ryanair, uses it to connect to other European airports in the middle of nowhere!
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"I'd never use SNN, it's an LCC base in the middle of nowhere with flights to the east coast of the US."
In fairness what do ye think Cork is? Ireland's answer to Heathrow?
Same rubbish from the same southerners all the time..The way ye Corkonians go on is pathetic..it really is..
In fairness what do ye think Cork is? Ireland's answer to Heathrow?
Same rubbish from the same southerners all the time..The way ye Corkonians go on is pathetic..it really is..
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Jees Tom, why so much anger for SNN.
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Can't we just sit back and enjoy TTT's rants for what they are instead of everytime getting worked up and rehash the same transatlantic debat
Regarding DUB being a p1$$pot, thats looking at the situation with blinkers on. Its come on a lot in the past few years so theres no problem in whittering away a few hours. The transfer process at DUB is ten times more straightforward than transiting LHR. Getting the US stamp in the passport in DUB is a great help also.
Irish aviation's gombeen HQ.
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I agree that market forces will eventually decide what Irish Airports will have US flights.
Shannon has 60 years of history and brand recognition behind it so CO and DL probably feel its a safer bet than Cork.
As for Aerlingus its hard to know where they'll be in 5 years time although its hard to see 3 carriers staying on Shannon New York given that cities like Birmingham, Belfast and Glasgow don't even have that kind of capacity.
As for the RE/EI deal this winter will tell a lot as Ryanair continue to put 5 738's on ORK DUB even on Saturdays.
Shannon has 60 years of history and brand recognition behind it so CO and DL probably feel its a safer bet than Cork.
As for Aerlingus its hard to know where they'll be in 5 years time although its hard to see 3 carriers staying on Shannon New York given that cities like Birmingham, Belfast and Glasgow don't even have that kind of capacity.
As for the RE/EI deal this winter will tell a lot as Ryanair continue to put 5 738's on ORK DUB even on Saturdays.