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I wonder if Sat afternoon might be used for a fairly long, bucket and spade sector? Maybe one of the islands in the med or something like that? Possibly even a charter?
As for the other three slots, its hard to tell, as someone suggested CDG might be a good option, or maybe somewhere in Scandanavia, it is about the only obvious gap in the route map at the minute, or possibly somewhere like MXP?
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As for the other three slots, its hard to tell, as someone suggested CDG might be a good option, or maybe somewhere in Scandanavia, it is about the only obvious gap in the route map at the minute, or possibly somewhere like MXP?
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It's quite interesting considering they were talking about how all Cork's routes were profitable not that long ago. If you'd asked me to guess, I wouldn't have thought Prague was making the biggest losses. Although in this time of high fuel prices, it's the long sectors that are suffering.
It must make any chance of a fifth Airbus next year less likely. Also, it seems EI only have one for delivery next year now, followed by 3 in 2010 and 2 in 2011.
It must make any chance of a fifth Airbus next year less likely. Also, it seems EI only have one for delivery next year now, followed by 3 in 2010 and 2 in 2011.
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FRA could be a very good route alright.Such a service would give access to the main european hubs of all three global alliances, OW @ LHR, ST @ CDG & AMS, *A @FRA. Not bad.
PRG has fallen in popularity a bit, I think. It has gained a reputation for rough stags, etc. The slowing economy and fewer immigrants is probably not helping the flight either, the connection traffic CZ had on the route probably also helped. Looking across the board in Ireland and the UK flights to Eastern Europe seem to be dropped more quickly than other destinations.
As for the 5th airbus, I guess it depends how well or badly ORK is doing relative to both DUB and BFS and the opportunities that exist out of ORK. I would guess a Scandanavian destination and a Northern Italian destination might well work. BRU might also work, as might VIE. Is that enough to justify a 5th a/c? probably not. At best a few 'w' patterns on the UK routes might free-up capacity to add new routes.
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PRG has fallen in popularity a bit, I think. It has gained a reputation for rough stags, etc. The slowing economy and fewer immigrants is probably not helping the flight either, the connection traffic CZ had on the route probably also helped. Looking across the board in Ireland and the UK flights to Eastern Europe seem to be dropped more quickly than other destinations.
As for the 5th airbus, I guess it depends how well or badly ORK is doing relative to both DUB and BFS and the opportunities that exist out of ORK. I would guess a Scandanavian destination and a Northern Italian destination might well work. BRU might also work, as might VIE. Is that enough to justify a 5th a/c? probably not. At best a few 'w' patterns on the UK routes might free-up capacity to add new routes.
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Load factors on BFS for June far behind those at Cork and well below Easy Jet and Jet 2 on routes where they compete. However their cost base there is also lower which will probably be decisive if they have an extra 320 to allocate.
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With only one 320 coming next year, I'd expect that to go to Dublin rather than Cork or Belfast. The hope would have to be for one of the three being delivered in 2010.
If EI do launch Frankfurt from Cork, what price FR responding with a route to Hahn?
If EI do launch Frankfurt from Cork, what price FR responding with a route to Hahn?
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If EI do launch Frankfurt from Cork, what price FR responding with a route to Hahn?
Our best bet is LH introducing ORK - FRA.
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I agree with Charlie Roy about Cork and Frankfurt. Yes, EI would easily sell some fairly high price tickets to Frankfurt which would give them a good yield but they would still be left with a lot of empty seats that would be hard to fill in the winter period even at lower prices? With a code share in place with Lufthansa there would be a much greater chance of success at all levels be it business, holiday or vfr traffic via connections at FRA. Got to be the way to go if Frankfurt is given the green light? Lufthansa would be a better bet but FR would surely want to scupper that idea and, I feel, they would indeed start HHN-ORK for pure, plain blackguarding. On the other hand Hahn - Farranfore (Kerry) is six weekly, is that right (?) so they must do fairly well and to start a ORK-HHN in the absense of LH would only serve to dilute their own yield to Hahn. Maybe my read is all wrong but that is what I think about it.
Wouldn't it be gas if the boys in the CAA somehow got themselves going and went after CSA again and relaunched a two or three weekly of their own from Prague? CSA have a lot more aeroplanes now than when they quit Cork as I seem to remember the capacity question was one of the issues being mentioned as an excuse for leaving Cork?? There has got to be some market left there between both Prague and Bratislava to Cork? What a despair it will be if both destinations go from the Cork portfolio of routes within the same week or so in October/November! Like with a well known company that I know there would have to be a consultants' review of the dire situation which would, no doubt, end up reporting that the teaboy must get the sack!
If only that would happen in the real world but then again when was Cork Airport ever in the real world!
Wouldn't it be gas if the boys in the CAA somehow got themselves going and went after CSA again and relaunched a two or three weekly of their own from Prague? CSA have a lot more aeroplanes now than when they quit Cork as I seem to remember the capacity question was one of the issues being mentioned as an excuse for leaving Cork?? There has got to be some market left there between both Prague and Bratislava to Cork? What a despair it will be if both destinations go from the Cork portfolio of routes within the same week or so in October/November! Like with a well known company that I know there would have to be a consultants' review of the dire situation which would, no doubt, end up reporting that the teaboy must get the sack!
If only that would happen in the real world but then again when was Cork Airport ever in the real world!
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Aerlingus introducing Cork Lisbon from Mid march so Frankfurt looks out although it along with Lisbon and Vienna were all in the mix. It seems the local travel trade felt that Lisbon was more likely to attract Cork people.
Let's hope they're right as Madrid flopped, probably not enough sand for the kids bucket and shovels.
Let's hope they're right as Madrid flopped, probably not enough sand for the kids bucket and shovels.
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Once again the chronic inflexibility of a single short haul fleet becomes apparent. The concerns about load where a small quantity of high yield seats are up for grabs would have been solved with a 735 in the past.
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Very true what you say about the 737-500 size airframe, MarkD. Economies of scale are one thing and there are previous remarks on this site saying the costs of operating A319 & A320 are fairly close and that is fine with loads close to 150 pax but what about loads of around 100 pax? Are such loads now a complete non-runner in the LCC market and that variable but appropriate yields with loads of either 150 or 180 pax is the only way to go for an airport like Cork? If that is the case how do you get around that? Get in the likes of Lufthansa with CRJ700s and charge atronomical prices. Might be able to do that in a larger more affluent city but hard to see that work in Cork?
This is where JetBlue show that they have at least thought out this a bit more - anyone know how they are doing with the ERJs?
As for Cork - Lisbon. Personally, I think it is better than going to Frankfurt which, by the way, I feel could work but again it needs thinking out more. I know one Portuguese person in Cork from the Lisbon area. There will have to be some marketing done locally in the Cork area to get the Fatima pilgrimage fans interested! Am I right in thinking that Lisbon is full of hills and the River Tigres sure looks good from the air - let us hope there is some attraction there to get the trippers from Cork interested and, yes, let us hope Lisbon lasts a bit longer than Madrid!
This is where JetBlue show that they have at least thought out this a bit more - anyone know how they are doing with the ERJs?
As for Cork - Lisbon. Personally, I think it is better than going to Frankfurt which, by the way, I feel could work but again it needs thinking out more. I know one Portuguese person in Cork from the Lisbon area. There will have to be some marketing done locally in the Cork area to get the Fatima pilgrimage fans interested! Am I right in thinking that Lisbon is full of hills and the River Tigres sure looks good from the air - let us hope there is some attraction there to get the trippers from Cork interested and, yes, let us hope Lisbon lasts a bit longer than Madrid!
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There are a number of holiday resorts on the Atlantic coast around Cascais and Estoril, which have been getting increasingly popular from Dublin. There is currently no service, chartered or scheduled from the Munster to the area, which leads me to wonder if a number of seats may have already been sold to a holiday operator.
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Cork-Lisbon seems a strange choice. Lisbon is quite a niche destination and I'm not sure whether it'll work from Cork. Prague on the otherhand is a popular city city break destination as well as attracting a lot of immigrant traffic. Lisbon definitely won't work as a winter destination. Lets hope the gamble works.
On another note, EI have released their summer programme for next year up to June. Its similiar to this year. Differences include:
Barcelona up to 4 weekly
Alicante down to 3 weekly
Birmingham down to 4 weekly
Berlin down to 2 weekly
Lanzarote operating 1 weekly for the summer - the first time EI have operated Lanzarote during the summer.
On another note, EI have released their summer programme for next year up to June. Its similiar to this year. Differences include:
Barcelona up to 4 weekly
Alicante down to 3 weekly
Birmingham down to 4 weekly
Berlin down to 2 weekly
Lanzarote operating 1 weekly for the summer - the first time EI have operated Lanzarote during the summer.
Dublin to Lisbon is generally full. I think one of the days there are 2 flights.
Lisbon is a great city,much better that Madrid and many Dubs have discovered that fact and go regularly.So give it a try while the fares are low.
Its an easy city to get around and quite cheap.No I dont work for Portuguese tourism but I know a good place when I see it.
Lisbon is a great city,much better that Madrid and many Dubs have discovered that fact and go regularly.So give it a try while the fares are low.
Its an easy city to get around and quite cheap.No I dont work for Portuguese tourism but I know a good place when I see it.
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Portugal is also a good golf destination. It seems that local travel agents advised Aerlingus to go for it. The flights don't start untill 14th March so it remains to be seen what the Prague aircraft will do 4 nights per week from 2nd Nov.
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Does anyone know why SAS operated a service from Stockholm to Cork and back to Stockholm last night? The flight was scheduled to land at Cork at 7PM last night and scheduled to depart again for Arlanda at 8PM. Perhaps it a charter or a divert from Dublin?
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I know it's well passed, but since all you guys were looking for a photo of the ramp at the recent power cut here it is...
http://www.cork-spotters.com/photo/a...mp05082008.JPG
From the wonderful site operated by Aidan Frost.
If we could have it that busy lookin' all the time then we'd be flying.
Ed.
http://www.cork-spotters.com/photo/a...mp05082008.JPG
From the wonderful site operated by Aidan Frost.
If we could have it that busy lookin' all the time then we'd be flying.
Ed.