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Seeing that Fuerteventura isn't a base, are we losing some rotations to Dublin to allow the flights to operate?
15:35 LGW (DEP/ORK)
18:55 LGW (ARR/ORK)
19:20 DUB (DEP/ORK)
21:25 DUB (ARR/ORK)
**On Sat and Sun morning DUB rotations operated by DUB a/c.
We know know that the Sunday morning slot will be used for FUE, and that FAO & AGP a/c will operate those individual routes, which leaves me to suspect that ACE will also be operating, could be wrong but we will find out tommorow when the full schedule is released.
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for every gain there is a loss
Aer Arann and cutting two services from ORK
- Dublin
- Belfast
Looks like Ryanair are the overall winners on the ORK-DUB war.
Wonder how this will affect EI, considering ORK no longer has transatlantic connectivity to Dublin
Aer Arann and cutting two services from ORK
- Dublin
- Belfast
Looks like Ryanair are the overall winners on the ORK-DUB war.
Wonder how this will affect EI, considering ORK no longer has transatlantic connectivity to Dublin
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I doubt they were picking up too many people from the ORK-DUB service anyway. And what they lose, they'll gain on ORK-LHR and ORK-AMS. Not the same level of fare paid, but it won't kill them.
BHD is presumably going because with ORK-DUB going they have no aircraft to operate it. I wonder who, if anyone, will take over. Would Ryanair be interested? Are their aircraft too large? FlyBe? Could they become Aer Lingus Regional operations?
It's somewhat ironic ORK-DUB going just as Ryanair are going down to twice daily.
BHD is presumably going because with ORK-DUB going they have no aircraft to operate it. I wonder who, if anyone, will take over. Would Ryanair be interested? Are their aircraft too large? FlyBe? Could they become Aer Lingus Regional operations?
It's somewhat ironic ORK-DUB going just as Ryanair are going down to twice daily.
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Confirmed via the RE website, the excuse they gave is pure crap! have there a/c at DUB are currently grounded for most of the day because of the crappy schedule left in the wake of the EI transfer of routes! Guys lets get tapping to Flybe! they'le rescue the ORK-BHD route...
Ive already contacted them, via [email protected] . Telling them the truth, that many people in Cork & Belfast (mainly the business traveller) reily on the service.
Ive already contacted them, via [email protected] . Telling them the truth, that many people in Cork & Belfast (mainly the business traveller) reily on the service.
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So Aer Arann have finally thrown in the towel on Cork Dublin. In truth their decision to reduce the frequency to 1 per day was a joke. Similarly Cork Belfast at one per day was never going to succeed. Business routes require frequency that allows for a day return. Over now to Flybe and Manx2.
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A real shame Aer Arann are cutting their domestic routes from Cork to Dublin and Belfast. They now will regrettably only offer flights from Cork to Britain and summer only flights to France. The public chose to fly with Ryanair to Dublin due to the unbeatable fares which they offer on the route. Now that they will become a monopoly on this route, their fares will no doubt increase and the number of flights decrease
The only way Aer Arann could compete on the Dublin route is to move it to the Aer Lingus Regional brand and offer full connectivity through Dublin not just on the transatlantic flights but their entire network ex-Dublin.
Cutting a successful route to Belfast is another retrograde step by Aer Arann. We'll just have to get used to driving between Cork and Belfast again, although with the new motorway, its only around a 4 hours drive now.
The only way Aer Arann could compete on the Dublin route is to move it to the Aer Lingus Regional brand and offer full connectivity through Dublin not just on the transatlantic flights but their entire network ex-Dublin.
Cutting a successful route to Belfast is another retrograde step by Aer Arann. We'll just have to get used to driving between Cork and Belfast again, although with the new motorway, its only around a 4 hours drive now.
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RYR winter routes
Faro operated twice weekly by Faro based a.c
Malaga operated twice weekly by Cork bases a/c
Fuerteventura once weekly.
Lanzarote shows as operating but not bookable yet.
Malaga operated twice weekly by Cork bases a/c
Fuerteventura once weekly.
Lanzarote shows as operating but not bookable yet.
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We'll just have to get used to driving between Cork and Belfast again, although with the new motorway, its only around a 4 hours drive now.
Now that you can get from Cork to Dublin Airport in 2 1/2 hours, there doesn't seem a huge amount of point in flying. And if you're connecting, the uncertainty gets removed.
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Kavs8, what are you trying to say? You've posted in a number of threads and make absolutely no sense in any of them. Would it be too much for you to read your posts before actually posting them?
What are these phantom aircraft you seem to think RE have sitting on the ground at DUB all day?
You claim that you're never going to fly in a "vomit comit" on ORK-MAN but then implore Flybe to come and rescue the ORK-BHD route. Would it be a condition that they operate an Embraer on it?
ORK-DUB died a death a long time ago with loads generally being in single figures or the low teens on the SINGLE daily flight.
ORK-BHD probably does have enough demand for a single daily ATR 42 but the problem is getting a 42 to rotate through ORK. Perhaps a W pattern GWY-BHD-ORK-BHD-GWY could be looked at when things pick up. I think it's unlikely FR or BE will look at the route.
What are these phantom aircraft you seem to think RE have sitting on the ground at DUB all day?
You claim that you're never going to fly in a "vomit comit" on ORK-MAN but then implore Flybe to come and rescue the ORK-BHD route. Would it be a condition that they operate an Embraer on it?
ORK-DUB died a death a long time ago with loads generally being in single figures or the low teens on the SINGLE daily flight.
ORK-BHD probably does have enough demand for a single daily ATR 42 but the problem is getting a 42 to rotate through ORK. Perhaps a W pattern GWY-BHD-ORK-BHD-GWY could be looked at when things pick up. I think it's unlikely FR or BE will look at the route.
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Langer Land,
If you bother to look at the dublinairport.com website there are currently nearly 1hour 30 to 3hour gaps in some mainline RE operations because of the EI Regional route transfer (DUB-CWL, DUB-BLK), it seems to be you making very little sence.
If you bother to look at the dublinairport.com website there are currently nearly 1hour 30 to 3hour gaps in some mainline RE operations because of the EI Regional route transfer (DUB-CWL, DUB-BLK), it seems to be you making very little sence.
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Ryanairs new winter routes will bring the number of Sun flights out of Cork to a record 17 per week this year. It'll be interesting how these will fare out. In my view Cork needs a balance of Sun flights and City break destinations, not a glut of flights to Spain and the Canaries.
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If you look at past routes from Cork you will see that city brakes don't do well.
Budapest, Prague, Madrid, Warsaw (ending Oct), Berlin all dropped.
Barcelona, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam & Geneva do quiet well. Berlin also did well but dropped, to increase MAN & BHX flights.
Budapest, Prague, Madrid, Warsaw (ending Oct), Berlin all dropped.
Barcelona, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam & Geneva do quiet well. Berlin also did well but dropped, to increase MAN & BHX flights.
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Your completely wrong Jamie2k9. Budapest was dropped becuase (and Malev said it) Malev wanted to focus on its eastern European network and would need extra aircraft. Prague was doing fine upto Oct 2007 when EI decided to drop it infavour of GVA, MAD was dropped in favour of Canary routes, Warsaw was scrapped by Wizz because of the fall out with PAA on charges and all routes have been reduced including the axing of BCN, ORK & MAD + Berlin was dropped in favour by EI to introduce daily flights to BHX & MAN which will know be ultimatly dropped! 
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Aer Lingus: Travel Information - Jet Away this Autumn
Aer Lingus is gearing up for mid-term break this October by adding additional capacity on routes to the Canaries from Cork. So everyone can jet away for the last of the summer sun!
Two extra dates have been added on the Cork to Tenerife route, with flights now also departing on the 24 and 30 October, generating 696 additional seats on the route.
Two more dates have also been added on the Cork to Lanzarote route, on the 24 and 31 October, bringing an additional 522 seats now available.
Two extra dates have been added on the Cork to Tenerife route, with flights now also departing on the 24 and 30 October, generating 696 additional seats on the route.
Two more dates have also been added on the Cork to Lanzarote route, on the 24 and 31 October, bringing an additional 522 seats now available.
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The thing about city breaks is they tend to be to places that can also attract business travellers.
But the timetabling doesn't suit either. A pattern like -Tu-TH-Sa- isn't going to get many of either category on board.
Bafflingly, EI use their aircraft on a Monday morning to fly to Faro and Malaga.
In general, business travellers like to fly Monday and Tuesday morning and Thursday and Friday evening. And those are also timings that can suit people taking a weekend away.
Passengers to sun destinations don't tend to care so much if they leave in the morning or afternoon.
But the timetabling doesn't suit either. A pattern like -Tu-TH-Sa- isn't going to get many of either category on board.
Bafflingly, EI use their aircraft on a Monday morning to fly to Faro and Malaga.
In general, business travellers like to fly Monday and Tuesday morning and Thursday and Friday evening. And those are also timings that can suit people taking a weekend away.
Passengers to sun destinations don't tend to care so much if they leave in the morning or afternoon.
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BFS is very similar to Cork in respect of the city break market. Prague operated for years with Jet2, then also with EZY, then pulled completely. Berlin again operated for years and then pulled. Munich, Milan, Gdansk, Warsaw, Katowice all tried and all pulled.
Aer Lingus seemed desperate to operate to a destination that would return a profit for then, to complement their sun routes, and all failed which was such a shame. Like so many before, then they plumped for adding extra demand on the proven sun routes.
Now got to the point with BFS, that if an airline starts a route that takes your fancy, book for the first season, because changes are it wont return! You'd think with air travel demand lower and excess capacity, any profit is a bonus, so if a route is profitable, even not hugely, the airlines would operate and be thankful its not loss making, as discussed re Budapest, Madrid, Berlin etc above.
Aer Lingus seemed desperate to operate to a destination that would return a profit for then, to complement their sun routes, and all failed which was such a shame. Like so many before, then they plumped for adding extra demand on the proven sun routes.
Now got to the point with BFS, that if an airline starts a route that takes your fancy, book for the first season, because changes are it wont return! You'd think with air travel demand lower and excess capacity, any profit is a bonus, so if a route is profitable, even not hugely, the airlines would operate and be thankful its not loss making, as discussed re Budapest, Madrid, Berlin etc above.
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Airline suspends Cork to Dublin flights - The Irish Times - Thu, Jul 29, 2010
Interesting article from the Times. Confirms that Cork to Belfast was profitable but that Cork to Dublin wasn't.
The Belfast route regularly carried over 4,000 passengers per month until recently so its a real shame to see it go. Could Aer Arann operate the route under Aer Lingus Regional?
Interesting article from the Times. Confirms that Cork to Belfast was profitable but that Cork to Dublin wasn't.
The Belfast route regularly carried over 4,000 passengers per month until recently so its a real shame to see it go. Could Aer Arann operate the route under Aer Lingus Regional?
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Originally Posted by ALLMCC
If Aer Arann operated the Belfast route under Aer Lingus Regional, it would almost certainly be to and from BFS to tie in with Aer Lingus mainline services
Regarding the ORK-DUB route, I really don't get Aer Arann's logic in axeing it. I thought the whole purpose of Aer Lingus Regional was to increase feeder/connecting traffic through Dublin, as well as consolidating existing routes. Surely adding ORK-DUB to the Aer Lingus Regional network would make more sense than any other route thats been added so far, as they could feed Cork traffic directly into Aer Lingus' USA network? Theres definitely a market, just ask BA or Virgin...