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James Plaskitt Labour MP for Warwick and Leamington quote:
"Warned prospective new Swiss bosses ADP they would face the same problems as the former owners". Plakitt went on to say "Any renewed attempt to introduce passenger jets would not get planning permission".
Well, THANK YOU MP Plaskitt for the welcome to Coventry you have just given to this Company. Bit like the way you welcomed TUI (Thomsonfly) to Cov.
I would like to say, and I believe I speak for the majority of the people of Coventry and surrounding area's, that we welcome the prospective new owners of Coventry Airport and the employment and investment they bring with them, even tho' some lone MP (and a handfull of his cronies) is hell bent on keeping you away. Take no notice of him......May 6th and the thorn in Coventry Airports side will be no longer (Election)
I wish ADP all the success they deserve for the future.
Regards
Yorky
"Warned prospective new Swiss bosses ADP they would face the same problems as the former owners". Plakitt went on to say "Any renewed attempt to introduce passenger jets would not get planning permission".
Well, THANK YOU MP Plaskitt for the welcome to Coventry you have just given to this Company. Bit like the way you welcomed TUI (Thomsonfly) to Cov.
I would like to say, and I believe I speak for the majority of the people of Coventry and surrounding area's, that we welcome the prospective new owners of Coventry Airport and the employment and investment they bring with them, even tho' some lone MP (and a handfull of his cronies) is hell bent on keeping you away. Take no notice of him......May 6th and the thorn in Coventry Airports side will be no longer (Election)
I wish ADP all the success they deserve for the future.
Regards
Yorky
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Where have you seen that Coventry is leaving the West Midlands group of councils? I know that the councils have agreed to concentrate new housing around the urban core of Coventry.
This looks like good news for Coventry Airport at last.
Doesn't the airport have some sort of permitted development rights regarding facilities for cargo?
This looks like good news for Coventry Airport at last.
Doesn't the airport have some sort of permitted development rights regarding facilities for cargo?
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All the moaning about nimby's doesn't really make any difference. One of the main reasons they didn't get planning permission was because of the Governments white paper. Which favoured growth at BHX. If they had got planning permission they would still be in the same boat they are now...Please look at the state of aviation.
Hopefully this company will take it and make it worth their time. I suspect though that something more than aviation is on their minds. I think the development side will make them more....
Time will tell....If it goes ahead....
Hopefully this company will take it and make it worth their time. I suspect though that something more than aviation is on their minds. I think the development side will make them more....
Time will tell....If it goes ahead....
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We're entitled to a moan so leave us alone!!
It will be interesting tho' to see how diverse ADP will be in the developing of the Airport. Not sure they would be able to explore other avenue's other than aviation related? Will be interesting to watch it all unfold over the coming months/years........
It will be interesting tho' to see how diverse ADP will be in the developing of the Airport. Not sure they would be able to explore other avenue's other than aviation related? Will be interesting to watch it all unfold over the coming months/years........
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I thought I had....
9.31 Coventry Airport currently serves a specialist role within the region, catering for business aviation, air mail and some freight, and can continue to perform this role within existing constraints. There is a current planning application for a terminal development at the airport. However, in the light of our conclusions on capacity elsewhere in the Midlands, and having regard to potential surface access, environmental and airspace constraints, we would not envisage any significant further development being appropriate beyond the level of passenger throughput in the current application.
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I am wondering what a company, which is a "real-estate development company" (as per their website), would want to try and develop Coventry Airport. It looks like it just isn't possible to develop it. TUI and later Howard Holdings are reported to have lost an average of £5m in each of the years they ran the airport. How does ADP think it can do something different and make money out of developing CVT?
They might have some lateral ideas, but it doesn't look like they have. No one has reported any.
CVT can survive as a low-cost GA aerodrome, and that's about it as far as I can see. It can't "make money" doing this, but it can break-even (perhaps). So why would an American-Swiss real-estate development company want to take over CVT???
I don't know who ADP are - they are probably a good company, but it is the "development" aspect of their business that concerns me. If I was operating from CVT, I'd be worried. Development companies + airports = financial stress for the operators.
RB
They might have some lateral ideas, but it doesn't look like they have. No one has reported any.
CVT can survive as a low-cost GA aerodrome, and that's about it as far as I can see. It can't "make money" doing this, but it can break-even (perhaps). So why would an American-Swiss real-estate development company want to take over CVT???
I don't know who ADP are - they are probably a good company, but it is the "development" aspect of their business that concerns me. If I was operating from CVT, I'd be worried. Development companies + airports = financial stress for the operators.
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Fair comment, Windswept. Let's hope that that is the case. I was looking at their parent's activities, viz:
"Airport Development Partners SA is a private airport investment and development company dedicated to the development of regional airports across Europe. The company is a subsidiary of Westcore Properties (Westcore Properties), a leading commercial real estate and public infrastructure investment company headquartered in San Diego, USA."
But I would still like to point out that it is not going to be easy to develop Coventry Airport. Windswept, do you have any thoughts on how they might develop it into a profitable operation, given its abysmal financial history (never made a profit in living memory, according to one observer who ought to know), and the resolute determination of WDC to stop its development?
I'd be very pleased if ADP can come up with something, whilst not charging increased landing and parking fees, compulsory handling (which they'd provide), increased fuel charges, etc.
Incidentally, I might be wrong, but I don't think ADP have ever run or developed a regional airport. Nothing wrong with that - we all have to start somewhere - but it does mean that there isn't a track record we can look at. Does anyone know if this is correct, or have ADP actually run an airport before?
RB
"Airport Development Partners SA is a private airport investment and development company dedicated to the development of regional airports across Europe. The company is a subsidiary of Westcore Properties (Westcore Properties), a leading commercial real estate and public infrastructure investment company headquartered in San Diego, USA."
But I would still like to point out that it is not going to be easy to develop Coventry Airport. Windswept, do you have any thoughts on how they might develop it into a profitable operation, given its abysmal financial history (never made a profit in living memory, according to one observer who ought to know), and the resolute determination of WDC to stop its development?
I'd be very pleased if ADP can come up with something, whilst not charging increased landing and parking fees, compulsory handling (which they'd provide), increased fuel charges, etc.
Incidentally, I might be wrong, but I don't think ADP have ever run or developed a regional airport. Nothing wrong with that - we all have to start somewhere - but it does mean that there isn't a track record we can look at. Does anyone know if this is correct, or have ADP actually run an airport before?
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As far as I can see ADP usually works with the private or public owners of regional airports as partners.
I suppose its just possible that with an Election coming up, Coventry Council is prepared to cough up some money to entice ADP to nominally take over the Airport but with the Council holding a stake as a sweetener.
It would account for the suggestion that Coventry Council are withdrawing from the West Midlands group of Local Authorities because even Birmingham Council wouldn't stand for Coventry to have a stake in CVT yet still have a say in running BHX.
Of course on the other hand, perhaps ADP has got Easyjet ready to come in now they've pulled out of EMA.
Well, this is a rumour forum innit.
I suppose its just possible that with an Election coming up, Coventry Council is prepared to cough up some money to entice ADP to nominally take over the Airport but with the Council holding a stake as a sweetener.
It would account for the suggestion that Coventry Council are withdrawing from the West Midlands group of Local Authorities because even Birmingham Council wouldn't stand for Coventry to have a stake in CVT yet still have a say in running BHX.
Of course on the other hand, perhaps ADP has got Easyjet ready to come in now they've pulled out of EMA.
Well, this is a rumour forum innit.
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Ha, Ha, nice one Alvechurch....I can see that one doing the rounds..If you are going to start one it might as well be far fetched....
As I've said before the company is new but the people involved are very experienced. they have got a manager with plenty of experience to run it. That is always a good start.
I think I read somewhere that Farnborough wanted to build appartments on airport property. To develope them like the waterways have. For spotters and people who like pretty lights???..don't know how that would work, but hey, anything to make a profit....
I don't think Coventry can just decide unilaterally to pull out of the WM Council syndicate. There is no way they would give up the profits (In the good years) earned for free from BHX to gamble on something from CVT.
They have never done a thing for BHX yet reaped the rewards...Nice work if you can get it.
As I've said before the company is new but the people involved are very experienced. they have got a manager with plenty of experience to run it. That is always a good start.
I think I read somewhere that Farnborough wanted to build appartments on airport property. To develope them like the waterways have. For spotters and people who like pretty lights???..don't know how that would work, but hey, anything to make a profit....
I don't think Coventry can just decide unilaterally to pull out of the WM Council syndicate. There is no way they would give up the profits (In the good years) earned for free from BHX to gamble on something from CVT.
They have never done a thing for BHX yet reaped the rewards...Nice work if you can get it.
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It would be costly to build housing on Coventry airport. The land isn't that great, theres land to the north of the airfield which used to be an old dumping ground and your not even meant to do earthworks on it apparntly.
I think the key to Coventry's sucess will probably to be have as many fingers in as many different pies as possible. The airport would have made money had TUI continued to increase their passenger growth, however it seems to me that like alot of airlines they started off big (with understandably a loss in the first year due to the required infastructure to support them) but then when they had potential to make money the number of aircraft began to drop, instead of having 8 stands busy all day your left with 2 aircraft with 1 flight each a day but you've still got all the staff on you had for all stands busy. Its a no brainer. You can understand though if they want to expand their operation and move aircraft to other airports.
I should think the airport will carry on doing what it was doing. Buisness aviation, Cargo and GA/Flight Training. With alot of infastructure development (reading the ADP section it seems thats what they do). Most likely i think they will want to attract maintenance though. Perhaps a model similar to cambridge.
I think the key to Coventry's sucess will probably to be have as many fingers in as many different pies as possible. The airport would have made money had TUI continued to increase their passenger growth, however it seems to me that like alot of airlines they started off big (with understandably a loss in the first year due to the required infastructure to support them) but then when they had potential to make money the number of aircraft began to drop, instead of having 8 stands busy all day your left with 2 aircraft with 1 flight each a day but you've still got all the staff on you had for all stands busy. Its a no brainer. You can understand though if they want to expand their operation and move aircraft to other airports.
I should think the airport will carry on doing what it was doing. Buisness aviation, Cargo and GA/Flight Training. With alot of infastructure development (reading the ADP section it seems thats what they do). Most likely i think they will want to attract maintenance though. Perhaps a model similar to cambridge.
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I think someone might be adding two and two together here and coming up with any number other than four. Coventry City council has not left the group of West Midland Authorities that owns a share of Birmingham Airport. The group that it has left is the strategic group of councils that were focused on Economic development under the guise of creating the Birmingham City region. When the government gave the pilot status for this concept to the Leeds and Manchester areas Coventry reappraised its membership of this group and decided to withdraw on the basis that Coventry's economic future would be better served by concentrating on the Coventry sub region and forming closer partnerships with local councils within Warwickshire. As Cllr Whitby of Birmingham said when Coventry City council announced this decision Coventry has always had a problem with being seen as an appendage of Birmingham.
Coventry City Council for years has been a shareholder in Birmingham Airport and the landowner of Coventry airport ( along with a lot of other land in the vicinity of the airport ) . This new potential lease hold arrangement will not alter this situation.
Coventry City Council for years has been a shareholder in Birmingham Airport and the landowner of Coventry airport ( along with a lot of other land in the vicinity of the airport ) . This new potential lease hold arrangement will not alter this situation.
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I don't think Housing has been mentioned by the company in question. It will be improved hangars and maybe some new office space. They have made their intentions quite clear IMO.
I think we are all jumping the gun a bit....They have yet to sign on the dotted line yet. However, I think they will.
I think we are all jumping the gun a bit....They have yet to sign on the dotted line yet. However, I think they will.
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Guess the whole shabang comes down to the terms of ADP's deal - if the lease term is long, the terms unconstraining and the cost £1 to take the problem off CCC's hands, they might make a living. the lease/rent has to be a peppercorn deal - otherwise it's pointless.
There's definately some contaminated land somewhere on that plot - anyone remember which bit? That area will probably not be economically viable to dig up to turn ino big sheds for aircraft (or anything else for that matter).
You'll probaly get things up and running as a Cat 1 or Cat 2 aerodrome with basic ATC service within a couple of months but it will take much longer to get higher Cat RFF and the sort of service required for anything other than light GA. The CAA will scrutinise everything with much greater rigour than they would have done as a going concern.
Presumably Marshall would strep back in and re-start all that side of things?
There's definately some contaminated land somewhere on that plot - anyone remember which bit? That area will probably not be economically viable to dig up to turn ino big sheds for aircraft (or anything else for that matter).
You'll probaly get things up and running as a Cat 1 or Cat 2 aerodrome with basic ATC service within a couple of months but it will take much longer to get higher Cat RFF and the sort of service required for anything other than light GA. The CAA will scrutinise everything with much greater rigour than they would have done as a going concern.
Presumably Marshall would strep back in and re-start all that side of things?
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There is no contaminated land within the current airport boundary although there is some beyond the boundary that in the past has been designated for future airport development. The contaminated areas are the remains of a former sewage farm on the north side (near the tower), the former filter beds on the south side ( behind unipart), the current Severn Trent sludge farm ( behind Parcelforce) and the former scrap yard ( off Rock Farm Lane) and a land fill site in a former quarry ( behind the Atlantic Air hangar). All would be very expensive to convert for housing use but less so for Industrial/commercial use where the ground tends to get covered in concrete. There are also large areas within and beyond the airport boundary that are not contaminated ( land between terminal and Target warehouse - Former alvis site -Sports pitches off Rowley Road)
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Well, I've had nearly 10 days off skiing and recouperating and back to it tomorrow down at AA. Must have a quick Orange juice at Lunchtime or home time to see who's in the Oak. Has the Pope been seen in there whilst I was away ?
Anyway, looks like everything under control at CCC according to my friends, friend when I spoke this evening. DD going ok and should be ready for full announcement by Friday 19th Feb apparently. She will see if she can find anymore details out for me tomorrow.
Anyway, looks like everything under control at CCC according to my friends, friend when I spoke this evening. DD going ok and should be ready for full announcement by Friday 19th Feb apparently. She will see if she can find anymore details out for me tomorrow.