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Thanks vkid, I agree in full
Its useless trying to reason with the Cork shower seeing as they dont understand anything but langerland logic
I say cut Cork off the rest of the Island and then they will have nobody else to bicker to about their problems and wants, and their rude accusations and comments
Its useless trying to reason with the Cork shower seeing as they dont understand anything but langerland logic
I say cut Cork off the rest of the Island and then they will have nobody else to bicker to about their problems and wants, and their rude accusations and comments
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Totally agree vkid. The sheer hatred that some people (one in particular) on this board have for Shannon is unbelievable. Facts are being twisted and the constant dismissal of anything even remotely positive about Shannon is preventing good discussion.
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vkid....I do agree that the Cork contingent are an annoyance at best, but are they not always that way on ALL subjects, but I have to admire their sense of humour and ability to wind you. However, if you look back it is YOU that will not allow constructive discsussion on any SNN related issue. It is nearly a year since the announcement of the US customs and immigration pre-clearance, and it was pointed out to you then on this thread that there would be little economic benefit, and there has been no benefit, yet you still argue. Likewise, it was pointed out how bad the FR deal would be to SNN and that was also defended by the SNN lobyists. Debate is about listening to both sides, not merely hearing what you want to hear! There are people including me who would like to see SNN thrive.
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...........heard the latest, shannonsiders?
because the passenger fees have been trebled, Aer Lingus are'nt going to use your overpriced facilities!
bye bye EI-111 for the winter!
because the passenger fees have been trebled, Aer Lingus are'nt going to use your overpriced facilities!
bye bye EI-111 for the winter!
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......I don't hate shannon, I'm just pointing out the facts.
Here's another,
which I'd like verified... is shannon still discharging raw sewerage into the shannon estuary?
Here's another,
which I'd like verified... is shannon still discharging raw sewerage into the shannon estuary?
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For what it is worth and I know it is not much I have no exceptional hatred of snn either. As a young and innocent pimply Cork lad I had many's a happy day or weekend in the Shannon area in the 1970s and 1980s but then over time you see things like what were formerly Cork summer charters being spirited away to snn, then other things like snn being shown favouritism with extended stands with aribridges being put up at snn when Cork did not even get the crumbs from the Aer Rianta table, Mary O'Rourke happy to stick up for snn as Minister for Transport, then the deal with Ducksy which is fine in a way if that is what snn wants. Next thing EI start ORK-MAD and in the next breath there is a snn-Madrid as well and after a small amount of time later both routes are dead.
When I start giving out here it is to make sure that what has happened to Cork down the years in the past never, ever happens again.
For some reason the Italian and Austrian charters were spirited away from Cork this year - I would sure like to know how this came to pass and why they ended up operating to snn and not to Cork.
And I would still like to see a copy of Minister Noel Demspey's recent letter about Shannon New York. This is public domain stuff so it should be out there.
When I start giving out here it is to make sure that what has happened to Cork down the years in the past never, ever happens again.
For some reason the Italian and Austrian charters were spirited away from Cork this year - I would sure like to know how this came to pass and why they ended up operating to snn and not to Cork.
And I would still like to see a copy of Minister Noel Demspey's recent letter about Shannon New York. This is public domain stuff so it should be out there.
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because the passenger fees have been trebled, Aer Lingus are'nt going to use your overpriced facilities!
The SAA are offering a 75% discount on airport charges to EI this winter, along with advertising funding in an effort to keep the route viable throughout the winter period. You can be sure that the airport authority are making every effort to retain this service. If the route is suspended, it will have absolutely NOTHING to do with airport charges at SNN. Stop dishing out BS on this thread.
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Can we actually stop the Cork v Shannon sniping, because it's irritating on both threads.
Whether it's dubious claims on the size of the catchments or OTT beliefs that the number of bus services reflects a policy of official favouritism, it makes the threads difficult to read.
It's not even as though the airports are such great rivals. When you see the numbers of Cork passengers prefering to connect in Heathrow to go to North America or the preference of Mid-west passengers to go to Dublin rather than Cork when there isn't a direct flight available from Shannon, you'd be hard-pressed to argue that the failure of one would be good for the other.
In fact, only in a thin, 20-30 mile wide strip, stretching from Abbeyfeale, to Croom and onto Cahir (hardly the most populated part of the country) are people really making a decision about which airport they are going to choose.
The biggest threat to Shannon is a successful Galway Airport as it would eat directly into Shannon's catchment. The biggest threat to Cork is a successful Waterford Airport.
Maybe a bit of rivalry can be fun, but there are a lot of people taking it way too far.
Whether it's dubious claims on the size of the catchments or OTT beliefs that the number of bus services reflects a policy of official favouritism, it makes the threads difficult to read.
It's not even as though the airports are such great rivals. When you see the numbers of Cork passengers prefering to connect in Heathrow to go to North America or the preference of Mid-west passengers to go to Dublin rather than Cork when there isn't a direct flight available from Shannon, you'd be hard-pressed to argue that the failure of one would be good for the other.
In fact, only in a thin, 20-30 mile wide strip, stretching from Abbeyfeale, to Croom and onto Cahir (hardly the most populated part of the country) are people really making a decision about which airport they are going to choose.
The biggest threat to Shannon is a successful Galway Airport as it would eat directly into Shannon's catchment. The biggest threat to Cork is a successful Waterford Airport.
Maybe a bit of rivalry can be fun, but there are a lot of people taking it way too far.
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Shannon
All Cork want is a level playing pitch. If Cork management proposed the kind of deal that Shannon signed with Ryanair, it would have been rejected out of hand by the their owners in the DAA and rightly so.
Ryanair say they're losing money in Shannon, Aerlingus say they're losing money in Shannon for at least a decade. Shannon is losing money. So everyone loses when unsustainable routes are started.
The major flaw in Shannon's strategy is that they go for passenger growth at all cost. They'd be far better off with 1.5 million passengers paying sustainable charges rather than 3m per annum with at least half paying little or nothing.
Ryanair say they're losing money in Shannon, Aerlingus say they're losing money in Shannon for at least a decade. Shannon is losing money. So everyone loses when unsustainable routes are started.
The major flaw in Shannon's strategy is that they go for passenger growth at all cost. They'd be far better off with 1.5 million passengers paying sustainable charges rather than 3m per annum with at least half paying little or nothing.
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My understanding of why Aer Lingus do not want to use the CBP facility at this time is as follows:
The current setup which has CBP installed in SNN but not yet in DUB would require, with EI133 DUB/BOS for example that all passengers and baggage transiting SNN be offloaded. The baggage would then be xrayed and made available to CBP staff should they wish to inspect it. Once all passengers have cleared CBP facility then EI will be permitted to reload the baggage.
With just 1 hour turnaround time and the possibility of 150+ transit passengers it simply does not make logistical sence for EI to proceed at this time. Once CBP is established in DUB, these same 133 pax will have their baggage processed at DUB in a manner compatible with CBP requirements and therefore avoid the requirement to offload them in SNN.
The current setup which has CBP installed in SNN but not yet in DUB would require, with EI133 DUB/BOS for example that all passengers and baggage transiting SNN be offloaded. The baggage would then be xrayed and made available to CBP staff should they wish to inspect it. Once all passengers have cleared CBP facility then EI will be permitted to reload the baggage.
With just 1 hour turnaround time and the possibility of 150+ transit passengers it simply does not make logistical sence for EI to proceed at this time. Once CBP is established in DUB, these same 133 pax will have their baggage processed at DUB in a manner compatible with CBP requirements and therefore avoid the requirement to offload them in SNN.
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I can't see Aer Arann doing it as they don't have aircraft based at either end. And Aer Lingus would seem unlikely to do it unless it was part of a route like BFS-SNN-BOS
The best bets would seem to be Ryanair or Flybe.
Ryanair have bases at either end, but you'd wonder if the 737-800 might be a bit big for the route.
Flybe seem to have more appropriate aircraft, but their experience on BFS-GWY might put them off.
The best bets would seem to be Ryanair or Flybe.
Ryanair have bases at either end, but you'd wonder if the 737-800 might be a bit big for the route.
Flybe seem to have more appropriate aircraft, but their experience on BFS-GWY might put them off.
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How low where the loads on the Bhd-Gwy Flights for BE
and Could we maybe see LS On the route, they used to fly BFS-ORK
and Could we maybe see LS On the route, they used to fly BFS-ORK
LS never actually operated BFS-ORK, they announced it alright but Aer Arann responded by launching a fares war on BHD-ORK, which affected Jet2's forward bookings. I think Jet2 realised that Aer Arann weren't going to give up the Cork to Belfast market without a fight, and the route was axed before it had started. Aer Arann still operate a twice daily Cork to Belfast City service.
Yes I think Shannon's best bet would be Flybe. Ryanair's 738 would be just too big for the route. I remember Ryanair looked into the route a few years ago, however they concluded that the route just wasn't economically viable. In the current economic climate I'd say its even less likely to be launched than it was then.
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I remember Ryanair looked into the route a few years ago, however they concluded that the route just wasn't economically viable.
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Bags at customs
Surely the need to load and unload bags from the aircraft means that the supposed hope of attracting transit traffic (above A318-size) to use the CBP is a non-runner. Does anyone disagree?
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Surely the need to load and unload bags from the aircraft means that the supposed hope of attracting transit traffic (above A318-size) to use the CBP is a non-runner. Does anyone disagree?