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Good to see some interest from RE, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. They've committed to nothing.
Hopefully SNN-DUB will be looked at (again), I still think a well-timed service, interlining with EI services ex DUB, could work. Some regional UK routes such as SNN-MAN/LBA/NCL etc will probably be considered too. The ATR is much more suited to these thinner routes than FR 738's.
No it most certainly doesn't. However if there was ever any remote chance of a Shannon/Belfast route being launched, this is probably it.
Hopefully SNN-DUB will be looked at (again), I still think a well-timed service, interlining with EI services ex DUB, could work. Some regional UK routes such as SNN-MAN/LBA/NCL etc will probably be considered too. The ATR is much more suited to these thinner routes than FR 738's.
So does this mean where getting flights back from BHD to SNN?
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Totally agreed with ya EI-BUD and CCR. BFS, DUB, AMS, MAN and CDG should be considered. In fact it would be fantastic. It would be great to see BFS and DUB flights again with decent times. I'd imagine that BFS would be a very successful route. When EI operated it with a 330 there was an average of 120 pax each time. The majority connected to/from JFK or BOS but you'd see no less than 35-40 pax each of the 3 mornings a week just flying between the two airports whether it was business or leisure.
But as someone else said above, let's not get ahead of ourselves. There has been nothing promised. But here's hoping.
But as someone else said above, let's not get ahead of ourselves. There has been nothing promised. But here's hoping.
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AMS and CDG are a long way in an ATR72; it's not the fastest of aircraft. They should both be just within range though. I also doubt RE would want to go up against FR's Beauvais service.
If RE establish a base in Shannon, I'd have thought Belfast was a certainty, with other routes to regional UK airports likely. Cardiff would seem like a good option with the tie-up with Munster Rugby. The number of In any given year, Munster will probably play 5 away matches in Wales and host a similar number of Welsh clubs (although that will admittedly be in Cork as well as Limerick).If you plan on operating 200 flights a year, giving yourself 20 that are guaranteed to be full is not a bad way to start.
I'd imagine the type of routes to Brittany that are offered from Cork, Galway and Waterford would also work in the summer from Shannon.
If RE establish a base in Shannon, I'd have thought Belfast was a certainty, with other routes to regional UK airports likely. Cardiff would seem like a good option with the tie-up with Munster Rugby. The number of In any given year, Munster will probably play 5 away matches in Wales and host a similar number of Welsh clubs (although that will admittedly be in Cork as well as Limerick).If you plan on operating 200 flights a year, giving yourself 20 that are guaranteed to be full is not a bad way to start.
I'd imagine the type of routes to Brittany that are offered from Cork, Galway and Waterford would also work in the summer from Shannon.
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Like with what has happened in Cork on some of the stronger routes RE would need to be cautious about getting too successful on any new services which they might consider launching from snn. Before you know it the Prince of Darkness would be muscling in hoovering up any goodies created by RE whom would have done the hard work establishing and growing the new services.
Best of luck to snn and RE on this one and if there are any new route incentives up in the O'Donoghue Scale available so much the better as long as they very same types of deal may be similarly offered by Cork for any new services too.
A level playing field.
Best of luck to snn and RE on this one and if there are any new route incentives up in the O'Donoghue Scale available so much the better as long as they very same types of deal may be similarly offered by Cork for any new services too.
A level playing field.
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RE & SNN
Given that RE have already tried Shannon-Dublin twice before and failed both times, the last time I think it was axed after only 2 or 3 months, and the fact that even Ryanair failed to make the route work despite business friendly times and rock bottom fares, I reckon any new attempt at launching Shannon to Dublin will only be made in co-operation with Aer Lingus. I'd guess that Aer Lingus might cease their Shannon-Dublin service as the A330 is totally the wrong aircraft for this service, and instead get Aer Arann to launch a codeshare Shannon to Dublin service. I reckon that this would actually be the best option for all parties involved; for Aer Lingus it would reduce the cost and aircraft wear of operating Shannon to Dublin segments, for Aer Arann it would allow them to operate the right aircraft on the service with no competition (past experience has proven that there just aren't enough passengers on the route to justify two competing carriers), and for passengers it would mean that there would be more business friendly times than at present and fares would be unlikely to rise given the ever present option of the train.
As for the other routes suggested:
CDG - No chance. If Cityjet couldn't make the route work with an Air France codeshare, RE would have no chance in the face of Ryanair's service from Shannon to Beauvais.
AMS - Again, highly unlikely. Firstly would the ATR72 be able to make it non stop? Secondly, as mentioned above a relaunch of Shannon to Dublin would have to be made with the co-operation of Aer Lingus. Aer Lingus would not be happy about RE operating to AMS since this would be in competition with Aer Lingus's twice daily Cork to Amsterdam service which is currently the only service to Amsterdam from anywhere in Ireland south of Dublin.
As for the other routes suggested:
CDG - No chance. If Cityjet couldn't make the route work with an Air France codeshare, RE would have no chance in the face of Ryanair's service from Shannon to Beauvais.
AMS - Again, highly unlikely. Firstly would the ATR72 be able to make it non stop? Secondly, as mentioned above a relaunch of Shannon to Dublin would have to be made with the co-operation of Aer Lingus. Aer Lingus would not be happy about RE operating to AMS since this would be in competition with Aer Lingus's twice daily Cork to Amsterdam service which is currently the only service to Amsterdam from anywhere in Ireland south of Dublin.
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In theory, SNN-AMS would be OK in an ATR-72, although it would be a long flight in what is a fairly cramped aircraft.
On a fully loaded aircraft into a headwind, I wouldn't like to guarantee no tech stop.
On a fully loaded aircraft into a headwind, I wouldn't like to guarantee no tech stop.
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RE/ SNN
Aer Arann statement in relation to Shannon was very vague on detail. I woudn't hold my breath. I agree it makes sense to have a code share on SNN DUB with EI. Operating 330's on a 20 minute sector is nonsensical particularly in Winter.
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I wonder, is this vague statement by Aer Arann some sort of favour to SAA, what I mean is are SAA sending Ryanair a message i.e. Aer Arann would be happy to pick up any routes that Ryanair may axe eg any UK routes. Perhaps Ryanair are making waves opposite SAA management and the subtle threat of Aer Arann coming in may mean Ryanair may change their plans???
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Well...
While we usually don't mind a bit of company propaganda/press release to spicen things up a bit, the particular site you posted a link to is so far over top it violates PPRuNe's advertising rules.
So it looks like there will be more than a few routes cut!
While we usually don't mind a bit of company propaganda/press release to spicen things up a bit, the particular site you posted a link to is so far over top it violates PPRuNe's advertising rules.
Shannon to become ghost town?
ANY MOVE by Ryanair to reduce its Shannon airport base by 75 per cent “would turn the airport into a ghost town”, it has been claimed.
The mayor of Clare, Tony Mulcahy (Fine Gael), was responding to a threat by Ryanair to reduce the number of aircraft at Shannon to only one from next May if the Government does not remove the €10 departure tax by next February. Mr Mulcahy said yesterday: “If Ryanair presses ahead with this, it will cause horrendous damage.” He described the departure tax as “senseless”.
Shannon-based councillor Patricia McCarthy (Ind) said that relying on one airline for a large proportion of traffic had been detrimental for the airport. “Your choice is reduced and you are also leaving yourself open to pressure from the airline that if they pull out, what services are left.”
Ryanair agreed its five-year deal, due to expire next April, in 2005. “It seemed a good deal at the time and everyone has benefited from lower fares,” Ms McCarthy said.
With the reduction in the airport’s transatlantic services, the Shannon Airport Authority has become even more reliant on Ryanair services.
In 2007, Ryanair’s 1.6 million passengers accounted for 46 per cent of the 3.6 million passengers at Shannon and last year the airline’s 1.85 million passengers accounted for 59.6 per cent of the 3.1 million passengers.
At its peak during the existing deal, Ryanair operated 32 routes out of Shannon.
The airline issued the ultimatum to reduce its services by 75 per cent last Wednesday as it revealed that in talks to extend the current deal with the airport authority, it said it was seeking a 50 per cent reduction in its costs at operating at Shannon. In a letter to the authority, Ryanair has confirmed that it has lost money on each year of its current five-year deal.
Joe Carey TD (Fine Gael) said yesterday: “While there is inevitably a certain amount of gamesmanship and negotiating tactics from Ryanair, there can be no doubt that the travel tax has been a disaster for the Midwest region. It should be removed and removed immediately.”
Timmy Dooley TD (Fianna Fáil) claimed Ryanair was struggling to meet its passenger targets before the departure tax was imposed.
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ANY MOVE by Ryanair to reduce its Shannon airport base by 75 per cent “would turn the airport into a ghost town”, it has been claimed.
The mayor of Clare, Tony Mulcahy (Fine Gael), was responding to a threat by Ryanair to reduce the number of aircraft at Shannon to only one from next May if the Government does not remove the €10 departure tax by next February. Mr Mulcahy said yesterday: “If Ryanair presses ahead with this, it will cause horrendous damage.” He described the departure tax as “senseless”.
Shannon-based councillor Patricia McCarthy (Ind) said that relying on one airline for a large proportion of traffic had been detrimental for the airport. “Your choice is reduced and you are also leaving yourself open to pressure from the airline that if they pull out, what services are left.”
Ryanair agreed its five-year deal, due to expire next April, in 2005. “It seemed a good deal at the time and everyone has benefited from lower fares,” Ms McCarthy said.
With the reduction in the airport’s transatlantic services, the Shannon Airport Authority has become even more reliant on Ryanair services.
In 2007, Ryanair’s 1.6 million passengers accounted for 46 per cent of the 3.6 million passengers at Shannon and last year the airline’s 1.85 million passengers accounted for 59.6 per cent of the 3.1 million passengers.
At its peak during the existing deal, Ryanair operated 32 routes out of Shannon.
The airline issued the ultimatum to reduce its services by 75 per cent last Wednesday as it revealed that in talks to extend the current deal with the airport authority, it said it was seeking a 50 per cent reduction in its costs at operating at Shannon. In a letter to the authority, Ryanair has confirmed that it has lost money on each year of its current five-year deal.
Joe Carey TD (Fine Gael) said yesterday: “While there is inevitably a certain amount of gamesmanship and negotiating tactics from Ryanair, there can be no doubt that the travel tax has been a disaster for the Midwest region. It should be removed and removed immediately.”
Timmy Dooley TD (Fianna Fáil) claimed Ryanair was struggling to meet its passenger targets before the departure tax was imposed.
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Is There any more news on Flights to Belfast
I Really Need Them To Start Soon
I Really Need Them To Start Soon
Do you ever talk about anything else? ALL your posts are about Belfast. Its safe to assume if something is going to happen, you will hear about it.
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Belfast - Snn
I can assure people here, that BFSSNN / BHDSNN will not happen anytime soon, and certainly not with RE.
Its not commercially viable ... BFS has a T/A service that is sufficient to support the market. Why face 1/2/3 Hour connections at SNN just to avoid queueing at NYC.
SNNDUB didn't work, ORKDUB w/EI connections didn't work and BFSSNN/BHDSNN wont work.
The last thing shannon needs is more trial routes, that just fail ...
Its not commercially viable ... BFS has a T/A service that is sufficient to support the market. Why face 1/2/3 Hour connections at SNN just to avoid queueing at NYC.
SNNDUB didn't work, ORKDUB w/EI connections didn't work and BFSSNN/BHDSNN wont work.
The last thing shannon needs is more trial routes, that just fail ...
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Yeah
I e-mailed Aer Arann
They said they arent coming into shannon any time soon as all there are aircraft are busy at the minute
Ohh well
Looks Like where gonna have to go begging to Ryanair again
I e-mailed Aer Arann
They said they arent coming into shannon any time soon as all there are aircraft are busy at the minute
Ohh well
Looks Like where gonna have to go begging to Ryanair again
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Looks Like where gonna have to go begging to Ryanair again
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