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B257.....my understanding is that FR have already announced a reduction from 6 to 4 and will further reduce to 2 for W09. The previous poster to my knowledge IS correct!
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BHX - SNN for February per the CAA stats was 7717 pax.
Assuming no weather cancellations and taking into account the
additional Sunday, Wednesday & Thursday flights at the end of
the month then the average pax was 124 or 66%.
However since the cancellation of Easts Mids - Shannon the BHX
service has been hitting 70% most months.
However everytime I have looked the fares they have been somewhat
low to say the least.
Pete
BHX - SNN for February per the CAA stats was 7717 pax.
Assuming no weather cancellations and taking into account the
additional Sunday, Wednesday & Thursday flights at the end of
the month then the average pax was 124 or 66%.
However since the cancellation of Easts Mids - Shannon the BHX
service has been hitting 70% most months.
However everytime I have looked the fares they have been somewhat
low to say the least.
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TNT Gone from SNN
TNT operated their last flight from SNN last Friday. Freight will be trucked from DUB to SNN. TNT service into Ireland now reduced from daily flights to Ork,DUB and SNN in 2007 to 1 daily into DUB. Also DHL service into SNN reduced from B757 to Bluebird B737 hire in. Difficult times for the cargo industry.
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Drop it, Hide it Loose it
Have cut capacity to DUB, not SNN really.
Whilst SNN is served by a BBC 737 not company 757, the service is direct from EMA. The 757 used to operate via DUB and wait for SNN freight from the later EMA-DUB A300.
However, no argument, tough times in cargo for sure.
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Whilst SNN is served by a BBC 737 not company 757, the service is direct from EMA. The 757 used to operate via DUB and wait for SNN freight from the later EMA-DUB A300.
However, no argument, tough times in cargo for sure.
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Irish Aviation Authority - Flight Statistics
Interesting figures from the DAA on flight statistics from the 3 DAA run airports.
Interesting figures from the DAA on flight statistics from the 3 DAA run airports.
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The A330 that operates 4 times weekly to JFK is brought in to hangar for maintenance on the other three days. Aircraft are mostly swapped around in JFK, ORD and BOS depending on what a/c is needed for weekly maintenance. eg. if a/c comes from BOS on ei132 there will sometimes be an a/c change in SNN to continue on up to DUB. The a/c that will continue up to DUB on these occasions is usually the a/c that arrived in from JFK the same morning or sometimes ORD.
Hope that was clear enough.
Hope that was clear enough.
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Possibly some good news for EINN
From local news:
Minister Indicates Interest in Shannon Facilities | clare.fm
The Minister for Transport says that there are a number of airlines interested in doing business with Shannon Airport once the Border, Customs and Pre-Clearance facilities are in place.
Noel Dempsey was in Shannon on Friday meeting a delegation from the US on forging business links between America and the Mid West Region
Minister Dempsey said that he believes a fundamental change in attitude by people will form an essential part of the economic recovery of the region
He also revealed that there are a number of airlines from America and the UK that have expressed an interest in Shannon Airport for the pre-clearance facilities it will offer for passengers travelling to the US.
Would be nice to see some more airframes on the ramp even if only for pre-clearance. Though if airline(s) were to land for pre-clearance and pick up passengers it would expand the options for getting to the US.
Minister Indicates Interest in Shannon Facilities | clare.fm
The Minister for Transport says that there are a number of airlines interested in doing business with Shannon Airport once the Border, Customs and Pre-Clearance facilities are in place.
Noel Dempsey was in Shannon on Friday meeting a delegation from the US on forging business links between America and the Mid West Region
Minister Dempsey said that he believes a fundamental change in attitude by people will form an essential part of the economic recovery of the region
He also revealed that there are a number of airlines from America and the UK that have expressed an interest in Shannon Airport for the pre-clearance facilities it will offer for passengers travelling to the US.
Would be nice to see some more airframes on the ramp even if only for pre-clearance. Though if airline(s) were to land for pre-clearance and pick up passengers it would expand the options for getting to the US.
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Would be nice to see some more airframes on the ramp even if only for pre-clearance. Though if airline(s) were to land for pre-clearance and pick up passengers it would expand the options for getting to the US.
Now if SNN could persuade Jet Airways to move their BRU hub operation to SNN, *that* would provide some volume...
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Shannon pre customs.
The cost and inconvenience of landing at Shannon will make it unlikely that any passenger airline will use the facility unless they have to make a technical stop on the
way to the US. There aren't too many airlines left in this category.
way to the US. There aren't too many airlines left in this category.
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Why should getting back from the US be such a problem? Ideally for those travelling to SNN a stop on the eastbound journey would be the most convenient. However, you could travel direct to the eastbound destination and return to SNN on the westbound which is stopping for preclearance, provided arrival/departure times allow of course, not much different to connecting to Aer Lingus or CityJet if connecting through LHR or CDG as currently has to be done.
I agree if SNN could make itself a European hub then they could be onto a winner and I think that is what they should have been looking to try and establish. Don't think there is much of a chance of the two Irish airlines working together in this respect- RYR to provide flights to SNN and EI to cross the pond
I agree if SNN could make itself a European hub then they could be onto a winner and I think that is what they should have been looking to try and establish. Don't think there is much of a chance of the two Irish airlines working together in this respect- RYR to provide flights to SNN and EI to cross the pond
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Can reality intrude here for a moment? Shannon isn't going to become an international passenger hub. If my flight had to land somewhere to clear US customs before entry in the US I would choose another flight as would the vast majority of travellers. It's a no brainer.
The *ONLY* reason BA are using SNN is because of the performance limitations from a short runway in London. The region does not have enough population, connectivity, industry or wealth to maintain an international hub operation. It struggles to make a low cost point to point operation work in Ryanair and that in itself is an achievement!
Transatlantic transit traffic is an evil neccesity from another age and is almost dead in modern international airlines. The only people who need it are the military and those niche carriers flying aircraft beyond their usual routings or flying aircraft that ought to be parked in the desert by now.
I mean for God's sake, you can't have a European hub that far from the centre of Europe !
The *ONLY* reason BA are using SNN is because of the performance limitations from a short runway in London. The region does not have enough population, connectivity, industry or wealth to maintain an international hub operation. It struggles to make a low cost point to point operation work in Ryanair and that in itself is an achievement!
Transatlantic transit traffic is an evil neccesity from another age and is almost dead in modern international airlines. The only people who need it are the military and those niche carriers flying aircraft beyond their usual routings or flying aircraft that ought to be parked in the desert by now.
I mean for God's sake, you can't have a European hub that far from the centre of Europe !
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Ah, you can, so - if you are still living in the cloud cuckoo land of the 1960s.
I think the SAA should get FR to try snn-Mars and, no, I do not mean Marseilles but MARS, the red planet! It might be a way around the Euro 10 travel tax!?
Ha, ha. My first good laugh in weeks and, yes, my life has been that sad of late!
I think the SAA should get FR to try snn-Mars and, no, I do not mean Marseilles but MARS, the red planet! It might be a way around the Euro 10 travel tax!?
Ha, ha. My first good laugh in weeks and, yes, my life has been that sad of late!
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Can reality intrude here for a moment? Shannon isn't going to become an international passenger hub.
The facility will enable airlines to fly into cheaper, secondary airports in the US and whilst the population of the SNN catchment area itself isn't large enough to sustain multiple services linking SNN with these airports, if passengers from Europe could be fed into SNN to connect to these flights, it could work. Fares would have to be significantly lower than the alternative options via LHR, CDG etc to encourage passengers to put up with the inconvenience of flying into a secondary airport of course. It goes without saying that no passenger will choose a less convenient option unless the price difference involved is significant.
Whether costs could be kept to a level which would ensure the profitability of the operation is debatable, since the airline would have to incur the added costs associated with offering connections. Nevertheless, I do think the idea should be explored.
flying aircraft that ought to be parked in the desert by now.
I think the SAA should get FR to try snn-Mars and, no, I do not mean Marseilles but MARS, the red planet! It might be a way around the Euro 10 travel tax!?
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The facility will enable airlines to fly into cheaper, secondary airports in the US and whilst the population of the SNN catchment area itself isn't large enough to sustain multiple services linking SNN with these airports, if passengers from Europe could be fed into SNN to connect to these flights, it could work.
Pre-clearance is't such an advantage is this set-up. What's the idea? You get off your Hahn - SNN flight, go up to the pre-clearance area, board your SNN - Buffalo flight. What about when your Hahn - SNN is delayed a bit, and you're rushing to your SNN - Buffalo flight, which then you miss due to having to pass through preclearance...
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But why not just develop such a hub in Stansted, Dublin, Bristol, Birmingham where you have a larger local population?
Pre-clearance is't such an advantage is this set-up. What's the idea? You get off your Hahn - SNN flight, go up to the pre-clearance area, board your SNN - Buffalo flight. What about when your Hahn - SNN is delayed a bit, and you're rushing to your SNN - Buffalo flight, which then you miss due to having to pass through preclearance.