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Shannon hub
Older friends tell me that Shannon have been at this hub nonsense for over 30 years.
Dublin is the only Irish airport that had any chance of being a hub and the Shannon stopover put paid to that possibility.
Dublin is the only Irish airport that had any chance of being a hub and the Shannon stopover put paid to that possibility.
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No one outside of Shannon gives a s*** about preclearance. American at Dublin don't even use it! It's not the selling point you lot think it is.
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No one outside of Shannon gives a s*** about preclearance. American at Dublin don't even use it! It's not the selling point you lot think it is.
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regardless of any benefits that may or not materialize at SNN it would incredibly naive to think that there is no benefit to having CBP at any airport
but then this is PPRUNE and the usual suspects.
but then this is PPRUNE and the usual suspects.
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Airports don't create hubs alone. It needs significant commitment from an airline. Hubs need critical mass to be a viable option. Creating a hub at SNN would require massive investment and risk and no airline will do that, especially when there's almost no local traffic to support new routes as they initially become established.
Since the death of the SNN stopover, EI have had the opportunity to try something at DUB, but I can't see any evidence that EI or DAA have the skills or resources to do it successfully.
Since the death of the SNN stopover, EI have had the opportunity to try something at DUB, but I can't see any evidence that EI or DAA have the skills or resources to do it successfully.
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Aer Lingus were planning to cut Shannon-JFK, but before they announced it, Delta announced that they were pulling off the route. That should enable Aer Lingus to keep loads and yields up.
There is a market for Shannon-New York, so I'd say it should survive, although frequency cuts are possible. As a route, it may have been more suited to one of Delta's 757s than Aer Lingus' A330s.
There is a market for Shannon-New York, so I'd say it should survive, although frequency cuts are possible. As a route, it may have been more suited to one of Delta's 757s than Aer Lingus' A330s.
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Pre Clearance.
Any sign of new business from the pre customs facility?
Judging by some press statements I thought the Ennis Hold would be crowded with Corporate Jets waiting to land.
Judging by some press statements I thought the Ennis Hold would be crowded with Corporate Jets waiting to land.
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Shannon to Manchester
Liverpool is indeed the beneficiary of the Shannon to Manchester route closure, as the Shannon to Liverpool service has been increased from 3 flights a week to a Daily ioperation.
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apparently SAA in talks with some Middle Eastern and Eastern European airlines about using the customs pre-clearance...but "in talks" could really mean anything or nothing. I dont think anyone expected it to make an immediate impact especially in the current climate.
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Well there was mention in one press report of up to 50 Corporate Jets a day using the facility. This assumes that they won't want to carry on to the US and clear customs at an airport there.
It'll only work if airlines want to use airports in America that don't have customs clearance. The savings on custom clearance is far less than on pre immigration. Even then the time saved in US has to be made up by turning up earlier at SNN or DUB.
The fact that other european countries haven't bothered to request similar facilities from the U.S. speaks for itself.
It'll only work if airlines want to use airports in America that don't have customs clearance. The savings on custom clearance is far less than on pre immigration. Even then the time saved in US has to be made up by turning up earlier at SNN or DUB.
The fact that other european countries haven't bothered to request similar facilities from the U.S. speaks for itself.
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Well there was mention in one press report of up to 50 Corporate Jets a day using the facility
The fact that other european countries haven't bothered to request similar facilities from the U.S. speaks for itself.
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Preclearance is good for passengers originating in SNN and connecting to a domestic flight in the US. It saves them the hassle of collecting their bags, clearing customs, rechecking their bags and clearing security.
It's of no benefit to passengers terminating their journey at the hub, so it's of no real benefit to passengers originating elsewhere and connecting in SNN unless their journey involves at least one onward US domestic sector. Other than aircraft that require a technical stop anyway, this facility offers nothing to connecting traffic. SAA management don't seem to realise this.
It's of no benefit to passengers terminating their journey at the hub, so it's of no real benefit to passengers originating elsewhere and connecting in SNN unless their journey involves at least one onward US domestic sector. Other than aircraft that require a technical stop anyway, this facility offers nothing to connecting traffic. SAA management don't seem to realise this.
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ah, thats completely stating the bleeding obvious. Why would US customs and border have any major effect on inbound customs and immigration to Ireland/EU?It is pre-clearance to the US for christs sake.
The effects of CBP at Shannon may come to nothing, they may deliver plenty..who knows yet but it is definitely a positive for any airport to have and anyone who thinks otherwise is dreaming or knocking for the sake of. I'm sure there are plenty of airports who would love that status...To anyone reading this board it is quite obvious that people not far south of SNN that have an(other) issue and have to knock anything Shannon related because basically its not Cork...
It is so tiresome at this stage, it really is pathetic. All you have to do is look at the comments on the whole LHR episode, regarding no market, no chance, no hope bla bla bla. And on that note the huge market from Cork is not that much bigger than Shannons.
The nay sayers and knockers of SNN were proved wrong before. EI now back with a based aircraft and 3 daily flights to LHR and so far its still got the CDG flights with Air France. It will be interesting to see also how that affects Corks LHR traffic.
Even the feckin buses at Cork Airport are a problem and apparently Shannon's fault. No-one thinks Shannon is going to become a major European hub but this offers it opportunites and no-one can deny that.
The political references are also getting pathetic..if ye've a problem with policies in the country then don't vote for the langers ye voted for last time and quit the constant begrudgery.
On many other board the mods would have stepped in to stop this crap because any real discussion around Shannon or Cork for that matter are destroyed by this constant "my willy is bigger than yours" crap and the village mentality that seems to stem from certain people in the huge Cork marketplace (a city of 190k population according to the last census)
The effects of CBP at Shannon may come to nothing, they may deliver plenty..who knows yet but it is definitely a positive for any airport to have and anyone who thinks otherwise is dreaming or knocking for the sake of. I'm sure there are plenty of airports who would love that status...To anyone reading this board it is quite obvious that people not far south of SNN that have an(other) issue and have to knock anything Shannon related because basically its not Cork...
It is so tiresome at this stage, it really is pathetic. All you have to do is look at the comments on the whole LHR episode, regarding no market, no chance, no hope bla bla bla. And on that note the huge market from Cork is not that much bigger than Shannons.
The nay sayers and knockers of SNN were proved wrong before. EI now back with a based aircraft and 3 daily flights to LHR and so far its still got the CDG flights with Air France. It will be interesting to see also how that affects Corks LHR traffic.
Even the feckin buses at Cork Airport are a problem and apparently Shannon's fault. No-one thinks Shannon is going to become a major European hub but this offers it opportunites and no-one can deny that.
The political references are also getting pathetic..if ye've a problem with policies in the country then don't vote for the langers ye voted for last time and quit the constant begrudgery.
On many other board the mods would have stepped in to stop this crap because any real discussion around Shannon or Cork for that matter are destroyed by this constant "my willy is bigger than yours" crap and the village mentality that seems to stem from certain people in the huge Cork marketplace (a city of 190k population according to the last census)