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Old 4th Nov 2009, 20:51
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What routes will Ryanair operate next year after the 75% reduction.
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I dont think KLM to Amsterdam would work because they would have a lot to compete with EI twice daily service from Cork.
Also, Aer Lingus and KLM operate a very popular codeshare on Cork to Amsterdam and Dublin to Amsterdam. KLM would effectively be competing with itself. I'd rate KLM's chances as zero to none. If Air France/Cityjet couldn't make it work, I really don't see how its sister company which has even less of a presence in Ireland could do any better.
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What routes will Ryanair operate next year after the 75% reduction.
That is indeed the million dollar question. Will Charleroi, Weeze, Girona etc now be operated by aircraft based at those airports? My money is on yes!
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That is indeed the million dollar question. Will Charleroi, Weeze, Girona etc now be operated by aircraft based at those airports? My money is on yes!
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I would agree on the above, however, most likely if Beauvais is kept on it would be by Shannon based aircraft, Gatwick most likely too unless done in a W. After that lets not forget Faro, Malaga, couldnt see these being axed. The first Stansted of the day unlikely to be by Stansted aircraft as it would be rather late to be competitive for business traveller. Murcia? Wroclaw?

Then the other routes to non base airports, assuming they are retained Murcia? Wroclaw?

So a daily flight to LGW,early STN, BVA and then a sun route would be more than enough for one machine.

We will just have to wait and see if this really comes to pass.
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Old 4th Nov 2009, 23:11
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Yes, my sense is that there will remain a pretty strong Ryanair presence at snn next summer one way or the other regardless of all the huffing and puffing & smokes 'n mirrors for the media. I would find it very hard to believe that Malaga and Faro do not turn a good profit over a lot of the summer months for Ryanair and there is no way they will turn their back on that kind of money. Beauvais must also be a near year round money spinner for them.

Nah, there will still be plenty of Ryanair movements at snn next year and if I am wrong I will have to eat another hat!
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Old 5th Nov 2009, 13:17
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Regarding a possible Amsterdam route, maybe Aer Arann could give it a go
as they used fly to Amsterdam from Galway via Waterford. Also, there is no chance that Ryanair would fly to Amsterdam!
Skynet used operate the Shannon-Amsterdam route up until about 5 years ago but had a row with their leasing company who repossessed their 2 737's.
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The thing with Amsterdam is that there's not really enough point to point traffic for a carrier like Aer Arann.

Over half the passengers on ORK-AMS and almost that number on DUB-AMS are connecting on to other locations. So you really need to get a KLM codeshare to make it work.

Sadly, the best opportunity for SNN-AMS was probably CityJet.
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Just heard EI are going to axe Boston on the 30 of May
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Old 5th Nov 2009, 19:01
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its still bookable for june 2010. Whats your source?
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Old 5th Nov 2009, 19:45
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Agreed 840. There's nothing stopping them organizing an interline agreement though.
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Someone on wikipedia said today that it is ending on the 30th of may
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Agreed 840. There's nothing stopping them organizing an interline agreement though.
Actually I think there is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I recall as part of the agreement between KLM and Aer Lingus, Aer Lingus have a monopoly on all KLM codeshare services between the Republic of Ireland and Amsterdam. Aer Lingus are however limited to 2 codeshare routes (something to do with KLM unions) and thats why Belfast to Amsterdam wasn't a KLM codeshare. I think this rules out both Aer Arann and Aer Lingus.

Also, as mentioned previously, the ATR 72 wouldn't make it to Amsterdam non-stop if there were headwinds.
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Johnny455, Wikipedia is no more official than this forum. The amount of ****e I've seen put on the Shannon wikipedia page in particular by begrudgers and haters is unbelieveable.
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I've just heard Shannon is going to be put on a truck, relocated to Cavan, and renamed the Drumshanbo Transcontinental Hub.

You'll see evidence on Wikipedia. Don't check it yet, I haven't edited it to say the above. Give me 2 minutes...
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Government to have talks with Ryanair regarding the travel tax!

Govt to talk to Ryanair about travel tax | BreakingNews.ie
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Meanwhile newstalk are reporting that the Department of Finance, Transport and Ryanair have said they know nothing about these talks.

Calamity Coughlan made her comments in the midwest...go figure.
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The government can't seriously be considering giving in to the bullying tactics! If they do they may as well hand O'Leary the keys to all the state airports!
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it has nothing to do with bullying. Its a ridiculous tax in fairness and that is one thing that both EI and FR agree on. Apart from the government there is very little support anywhere in the country for this travel tax..it is helping to destroy and already strangled tourist industry..not just in the west/midwest or whatever spin you'd like to put on it.

However this is just Coughlan trying to cover her arse while in the midwest...a region being devestated by the recession (not just Shannon), something she has contributed to herself
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 12:32
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I agree completley it is a silly tax, but it has everything to do with bullying. The tax has not impacted on the tourism industry, sterling, the recession and expensive Ireland have. Most of FRs traffic at SNN is Ireland originating, the disposable income is no longer there. Rather than admit that SNN didn't work as a base, blame it on someone else!
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Travel Tax

Department of Finance know nothing about meeting with Ryanair. What about the disgraceful credit card administration fees charged by both Aerlingus and Ryanairs. Surely they too must be having a detrimental affect on traffic if the travel tax is really an issue.

I agree with Vkid. People's disposable income is declining and those who were travelling to stag parties in far flung places with the lads, shopping trips to Manhatten with the girls and so called golfing trips to Costa Del Sol and the Algarve are now staying at home.

Ryanair started off at Shannon with a good mix of routes but like Aerlingus in Cork quickly changed to catering for Irish people who wanted to make multiple trips abroad.

This end of the market is now in serious decline.

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