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CCR, the provision is there for direct trains Cork-Limerick- across the crossover at Limerick Junction and in. Unfortunately at the moment one must change trains at Limerick Junction which is an inconvinience if travelling Limerick-Cork. I do agree the road Lmk-Cork is in a woeful state. However, the M20 Cork-Limerick is moving into compulsary purchase order this year so I'm fully confident that it will be finished long before Cork has any slightest sign of a transatlantic service. Even with the new road, or a direct train I'd refuse to fly from Cork!
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It may be argued by some that our attitudes are a little immature but at least the mutual positions between us are now fairly clearly defined. For my own part it will never happen that I would ever give in and fly to the USA from snn though if there was ever a Madrid from snn and not from Cork I would in exceptional circumstances concede there if the situation warranted it! At least, unlike your good self, I am not entirely ruling out ever using snn again! My penance would be for every flight taken from snn it would be necessary to take about ten flights in return from Cork as part of my absolution!
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Just to correct an earlier post.
Dublin is not even close to being one of the "top ten busiest airports in Europe" as alleged by CCR.
It is ranked 14th busiest in Europe, with a passenger throughput of 20,504,000 passengers in 2009.
This puts it just behind Palma De Mallorca Airport in Spain which had a throughput of 21,203,028 passengers in 2009, but just ahead of Stanstead, London's third airport on 19,951,700. If we exclude Ataturk International in Istanbul on the basis that Turkey is not technically in "Europe," than Dublin would move up to the 13th busiest in Europe, but still a long way off the top ten.
Incorrect comments such as this have a way of being repeated regularly, and then swallowed by people who should know better. Dublin is a mid sized regional European airport, which is three times smaller than Heathrow, and less than half the size of Paris Charles De Gaulle, Frankfurt, Schipol Amsterdam, or Barajas Madrid. Other regional airports like Munich and Barcelona are also busier than Dublin.
We should recognise this and concentrate on improving connectivity, and obviosly we should abolish the €10 travel tax which has seen Dublin lose 12.7% of it's traffic last year.
Dublin is not even close to being one of the "top ten busiest airports in Europe" as alleged by CCR.
It is ranked 14th busiest in Europe, with a passenger throughput of 20,504,000 passengers in 2009.
This puts it just behind Palma De Mallorca Airport in Spain which had a throughput of 21,203,028 passengers in 2009, but just ahead of Stanstead, London's third airport on 19,951,700. If we exclude Ataturk International in Istanbul on the basis that Turkey is not technically in "Europe," than Dublin would move up to the 13th busiest in Europe, but still a long way off the top ten.
Incorrect comments such as this have a way of being repeated regularly, and then swallowed by people who should know better. Dublin is a mid sized regional European airport, which is three times smaller than Heathrow, and less than half the size of Paris Charles De Gaulle, Frankfurt, Schipol Amsterdam, or Barajas Madrid. Other regional airports like Munich and Barcelona are also busier than Dublin.
We should recognise this and concentrate on improving connectivity, and obviosly we should abolish the €10 travel tax which has seen Dublin lose 12.7% of it's traffic last year.
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We should recognise this and concentrate on improving connectivity, and obviosly we should abolish the €10 travel tax which has seen Dublin lose 12.7% of it's traffic last year.
- Ryanair getting the huff regarding charges
- Airlines having to re-adjust schedules to meet falling demand based on a general fall in global demand
- Aer Lingus restructuring on mainly long haul routes
- Airlines going bust
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I would suggest that your comment regarding "airlines having to readjust schedules due to falling demand" makes my point.
If you increase the cost of something, (especially during a recession) then demand will drop.
If you think that the travel tax makes no difference, than maybe the government should abolish it. Even the Department of Finance seem to agree that it is having an impact on demand, but it is alleging that it will encourage more people to stay at home and holiday in Ireland. This is what they said in June of last year:
"It is worth noting that, by international agreement, fuel used by commercial airlines is completely exempt from tax, so it's a sector that already has considerable preferential treatment," "In relation to the air travel tax's alleged adverse impact on tourism, it should also be noted that if the tax is discouraging tourists coming to Ireland, then on the reverse side it must be accepted that it is also discouraging Irish people taking holidays abroad,"
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The mind boggles.
If you increase the cost of something, (especially during a recession) then demand will drop.
If you think that the travel tax makes no difference, than maybe the government should abolish it. Even the Department of Finance seem to agree that it is having an impact on demand, but it is alleging that it will encourage more people to stay at home and holiday in Ireland. This is what they said in June of last year:
"It is worth noting that, by international agreement, fuel used by commercial airlines is completely exempt from tax, so it's a sector that already has considerable preferential treatment," "In relation to the air travel tax's alleged adverse impact on tourism, it should also be noted that if the tax is discouraging tourists coming to Ireland, then on the reverse side it must be accepted that it is also discouraging Irish people taking holidays abroad,"
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The mind boggles.
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"As regards, the number of airports in Ireland, I think possibly only Sligo should be left go. It's better to give people a convenient choice."
The problem with this is that all those airports destroy each other's chance of attaining any sort of critical mass. It might seem convenient having an airport in almost every county around the coast from Donegal to Waterford, but it acts against decent frequencies on any of their routes. In the end only Dublin will be able to provide a decent choice of flight times, so the traffic will tend to go there.
"As regards, the number of airports in Ireland, I think possibly only Sligo should be left go. It's better to give people a convenient choice."
The problem with this is that all those airports destroy each other's chance of attaining any sort of critical mass. It might seem convenient having an airport in almost every county around the coast from Donegal to Waterford, but it acts against decent frequencies on any of their routes. In the end only Dublin will be able to provide a decent choice of flight times, so the traffic will tend to go there.
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RTÉ News: US pre-clearance opens at Shannon Good news for SNN, i wonder will there be much take up ?
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Aer Lingus to use Customs & Border Patrol facilities at Shannon
Aer Lingus has today confirmed that it has applied to the US Port Director at Shannon Airport to commence using the Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) facility for flights from Shannon to New York. The airline will begin using the facility once approval has been received in early May 2010. This will mark the initial trial phase prior to the service being extended to other US routes.
Aer Lingus Corporate Affairs Director Enda Corneille said of the development, "The introduction of full CBP at Shannon will enable us to offer our Shannon New York customers a much more streamlined service and we look forward to potentially extending the service to other routes later in the year."
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Aer Lingus has today confirmed that it has applied to the US Port Director at Shannon Airport to commence using the Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) facility for flights from Shannon to New York. The airline will begin using the facility once approval has been received in early May 2010. This will mark the initial trial phase prior to the service being extended to other US routes.
Aer Lingus Corporate Affairs Director Enda Corneille said of the development, "The introduction of full CBP at Shannon will enable us to offer our Shannon New York customers a much more streamlined service and we look forward to potentially extending the service to other routes later in the year."
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Ryanair @ Shannon
Since Ryanair's announcement of route cancellations at Shannon for Summer 2010, there have been the following positive developments:
- Liverpool will not be axed afterall. The route will continue to operate using a Liverpool based aircraft, albeit with a reduced schedule (3 weekly versus 7 weekly).
- Edinburgh will not be axed afterall. The route will continue to operate using a Edinburgh based aircraft, albeit with a reduced schedule (3 weekly versus 6 weekly).
- Malaga will go from 2 weekly (Sunday and Wednesday) to 3 weekly in July and August, where a Malaga based aircraft will operate an extra Friday rotation.
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Ryanair are trying to say that they haven't been able to deliver on the agreed numbers of passengers at Shannon due to a force majeur; namely the €10 tourist tax 
Ryanair in airport fee delay row - National News, Frontpage - Herald.ie
Meanwhile Fine Gael pledge to abolish the tourist tax, but then promising is one thing, getting into power and actually doing it is another:
Kenny pledges to abolish travel tax | Latest News
Ryanair in airport fee delay row - National News, Frontpage - Herald.ie
Meanwhile Fine Gael pledge to abolish the tourist tax, but then promising is one thing, getting into power and actually doing it is another:
Kenny pledges to abolish travel tax | Latest News
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How much did these consultants get paid?
One of the stoo-pidest ideas I've ever heard in all my years on this planet!
Shannon airport may levy passenger charges directly - The Irish Times - Mon, Mar 22, 2010
Shannon airport may levy passenger charges directly - The Irish Times - Mon, Mar 22, 2010
Under the proposal, travellers would no longer pay a passenger charge to airlines as part of their ticket price.Instead, they would pay the airport manager directly, either in the terminal building before they board their plane or online.
The charge would be levied against departing passengers.
It is not clear how much the DAA would charge but the existing full passenger fee at Shannon is €15 per return journey.
The charge would be levied against departing passengers.
It is not clear how much the DAA would charge but the existing full passenger fee at Shannon is €15 per return journey.
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Collapse in traffic.
At least it would stop airlines from pocketing airport charges when passengers don't turn up. However that would probably make routes less marginal.
It's obvious now that the phenomenal growth at Irish Airports was builit on Celtic Cubs making multiple trips around the UK and the Continent.
Lack of inward business particularly at SNN and ORK is now costing them dearly. There was far too much emphasis in marketing outbound Sun routes and not enough emphasis on attracting incoming tourists.
It's obvious now that the phenomenal growth at Irish Airports was builit on Celtic Cubs making multiple trips around the UK and the Continent.
Lack of inward business particularly at SNN and ORK is now costing them dearly. There was far too much emphasis in marketing outbound Sun routes and not enough emphasis on attracting incoming tourists.
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Any news on Air France's Return
I was just booking a flight on Air France's booking engine, and I see that Shannon has returned to the list of destinations. It had previously been removed. Does anyone know if Air France will return the route from SNN to CDG?
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I was just booking a flight on Air France's booking engine, and I see that Shannon has returned to the list of destinations. It had previously been removed. Does anyone know if Air France will return the route from SNN to CDG?
I think the reason for listing Shannon as a destination is that Air France code share with Delta on SNN-JFK. Delta pulled the route for the winter but its restarting soon so I presume you'll also be able to book this route on the Air France website.
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Why were 3 flights cancelled today?
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I hope they re-jig the timetable for the now once daily LGW service. A morning rotation is not that useful in either direction. The cancelled evening rotation used to be packed in both directions as it was convenient for the end of a working day which, I suspect, is much more prevalent for people using this route.
The evening rotation to/from STN is now a STN based aircraft, returning to STN at 2300 which is useless to those of us who live south of the Thames and now means using EI to LHR instead. LGW is far preferable for many of us over LHR and STN but not in the middle of a weekday morning.
The evening rotation to/from STN is now a STN based aircraft, returning to STN at 2300 which is useless to those of us who live south of the Thames and now means using EI to LHR instead. LGW is far preferable for many of us over LHR and STN but not in the middle of a weekday morning.