DERRY/LONDONDERRY
Fly bill:
CAA stats state there were 983 pax on NOC EDI in March. I assume the timetable of Tues, Fri and Sun was running in March. Therefore 26 rotations. That's 37.8 pax/flight at a load factor of 48%.
The previous month pax total was 520, which would mean there were 867 seats, or 11 flights for the month to get the LF you quote.
Anyway, regardless of that, I wasn't having a go at NOC, instead BE and their bizarre approach to route development.
CAA stats state there were 983 pax on NOC EDI in March. I assume the timetable of Tues, Fri and Sun was running in March. Therefore 26 rotations. That's 37.8 pax/flight at a load factor of 48%.
The previous month pax total was 520, which would mean there were 867 seats, or 11 flights for the month to get the LF you quote.
Anyway, regardless of that, I wasn't having a go at NOC, instead BE and their bizarre approach to route development.
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48% could be ok, the fares on that route have noticeably gone up since RE pulled out of Galway and left BE with no local competition to Scotland. The pax departure fee allows very low charges to airlines at NOC resulting in routes surviving with lower loads than other airports.
But the lack of competition on the route is the main reason why it can't really be compared to LDY-MAN, which had massive competition from Ryanair driving down yields. Both BE and RE not managing to make sensible sounding UK routes work from LDY shows just how powerful FR are. However, by increasing rotations to LPL and PIK, FR can provide more passengers to the airport than the regional airlines could anyway, so Derry are still succeeding in growing numbers without adding routes. So not all bad news by any means.
But the lack of competition on the route is the main reason why it can't really be compared to LDY-MAN, which had massive competition from Ryanair driving down yields. Both BE and RE not managing to make sensible sounding UK routes work from LDY shows just how powerful FR are. However, by increasing rotations to LPL and PIK, FR can provide more passengers to the airport than the regional airlines could anyway, so Derry are still succeeding in growing numbers without adding routes. So not all bad news by any means.
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Kinocker, you mentioned lack of competition on MAN service. Am I not correct in saying that there is a daily service to Liverpool from Knock with Ryanair - I would imagine this would be very tough competition for Flybe on manchester but route still seems to be doing well?
I would think the catchment region for Knock for flights to the North West of England is a lot stronger hence they can sustain both services, lot of West and North West diaspora living in the North West hence why Flybe Introduced the Leeds service also
I would think the catchment region for Knock for flights to the North West of England is a lot stronger hence they can sustain both services, lot of West and North West diaspora living in the North West hence why Flybe Introduced the Leeds service also
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Interesting how many more people flew when WW ran the MAN-NOC route, it was busier than BHX-NOC. Now BHX-NOC is in growth with higher frequency. It seems BE are skimming off the people who will pay more or to whom LPL/FR is not an option.
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@flybill - No, I was saying that it was lack of competition on NOC-EDI that allows BE to charge higher fares on that route than they could on LDY-MAN (and believe me, they do) and therefore maintain the route.
I'd agree with your other points, NOC-MAN is a long established route under baby and should continue to do well for flybe.
If I was a regional airline operator looking for a route out of LDY, I'd leave MAN alone. Maybe Gatwick might be the best bet. Competition with FR at Stansted obviously, but a huge market to tap into also.
I'd agree with your other points, NOC-MAN is a long established route under baby and should continue to do well for flybe.
If I was a regional airline operator looking for a route out of LDY, I'd leave MAN alone. Maybe Gatwick might be the best bet. Competition with FR at Stansted obviously, but a huge market to tap into also.
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If I was a regional airline operator looking for a route out of LDY, I'd leave MAN alone. Maybe Gatwick might be the best bet. Competition with FR at Stansted obviously, but a huge market to tap into also.
LGW could definitely work, and I say could easily accommodate a daily E190 or double daily Dash, the problem is larger aircraft are given preference with slots there, due to runway constraints.
Finally, after a regional airline established its presence, I really think BRS could work out of LDY, serving the south west of England and potential Cornish/Devon sun seekers! Perhaps I should start L'Derryair, and commence the routes myself!?
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Ryanair have put the 2nd STN Monday flight for July back on sale. The flight times are as follows:
Depart LDY 0850 Arrive STN 1010 FR612
Depart LDY 0905 Arrive STN 1025 FR614
I assume the 0905 service will be changed to later in the day?
Depart LDY 0850 Arrive STN 1010 FR612
Depart LDY 0905 Arrive STN 1025 FR614
I assume the 0905 service will be changed to later in the day?
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Airport chiefs urge Stormont to fund air route strategy and scrap levy on short-haul flights - Northern Ireland, Local & National - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
“Our main carrier Ryanair has told us quite clearly that routes into the UK will not be developed any further,” he said.
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Quite pricey! (For obvious reasons...) Would love to know what the LF's are actually like on those Saturday flights!Any extra rotations are most welcome!
Good luck Ulster!
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What's the chances of FR heading back to BHD now that WW are gone from June? I see they have released a press statement that accommodates WW passengers who want to still fly but from LDY or DUB. It would be a shame if they went back to BHD and lost whatever small focus they have at LDY.
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Yip, the BHD thread seem convinved that FR are about to come over the hill before Friday like a knight in shinning armour with even rumours of a base.
Fair play to BHD if they manage to pull it off or get any airline to commit before Friday which is their stated goal, afterall it has been clear for months that Flybe weren't going to renew the LDY-MAN route and yet we have been unable to pull any rabbits from any hats.
Anyway back to FR, does anyone think that they would return to BHD? I suppose money talks but there is still the runway issue and at this stage there isn't even a planning application for the extension.
P.S. - Carnmanorlad, I enjoyed your post on the BHD thread, but as to FR's commitment to LDY I don't think they will introduce any new domestic routes for City of Culture next year when even obvious continental opportunites such as Paris and Malaga are ignored.
No, I don't expect too many rabbits for LDY and City of Culture before this Friday or anytime after.
Fair play to BHD if they manage to pull it off or get any airline to commit before Friday which is their stated goal, afterall it has been clear for months that Flybe weren't going to renew the LDY-MAN route and yet we have been unable to pull any rabbits from any hats.
Anyway back to FR, does anyone think that they would return to BHD? I suppose money talks but there is still the runway issue and at this stage there isn't even a planning application for the extension.
P.S. - Carnmanorlad, I enjoyed your post on the BHD thread, but as to FR's commitment to LDY I don't think they will introduce any new domestic routes for City of Culture next year when even obvious continental opportunites such as Paris and Malaga are ignored.
No, I don't expect too many rabbits for LDY and City of Culture before this Friday or anytime after.
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April Stats
CoDA had a total of 33,372 PAX for April, this leaves a rolling year figure of 414,027.
(ROUTE - LOAD FACTOR)
STN - 80%
FAO - 71%
BHX - 69%
LPL - 69%
PIK - 58%
(ROUTE - LOAD FACTOR)
STN - 80%
FAO - 71%
BHX - 69%
LPL - 69%
PIK - 58%
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Today's REU flight seems to have incurred a aircraft change at Reus and the flight is now running at a 3 hour delay. Reus airport now shows the a/c as a Boeing 737-800, which airline is now operating the flight as Orbest don't have Boeing aircraft?
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The aircraft departed Dublin and had a bird strike and then engine 2 failed, declared an emergency as there was a suspeced engine fire but turn out there was not.
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From what I hear there are major refurbishment works taking place at the airport, starting this week and lasting til middle of June. The restaurant and bar are getting ripped out completely and being replaced by Fed & Watered, a franchise of the BFS restaurant. The departures is apparently getting totally recarpeted. The Business Lounge is closed for the total time of the works according to CoDAs website.
All go down at CoDA but what's the reason?
All go down at CoDA but what's the reason?
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Additional revenue through getting more people to cough up money for food? Sounds great. The current layout doesn't entice me to purchase food. Going through the departures at least 6 times per year since 2008, I only ever ate there twice and I'm sure that's reflective of most passengers. Not ideal.
Is the "multi-storey" car park that they put a tender out for still going ahead? If so, any idea when?
Is the "multi-storey" car park that they put a tender out for still going ahead? If so, any idea when?