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Alwaysinverted you say
"Capt P, you were once a fierce critic of the Cape Town Huey Operation"
where exactly was that....I think I missed that one.!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry?
Sorry don't mean to turn this into a Just Helicopter Wynie Wynie type forum.
For the record...when it comes to flying there is only "the correct way" I agree 100%. Don\'t let competitors tarnish an entrepeneurial (spelling???) spirit.
Remember to sift through the "b%$#ll sh((%#$%t to get the relevant bits.
"Capt P, you were once a fierce critic of the Cape Town Huey Operation"
where exactly was that....I think I missed that one.!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry?
Sorry don't mean to turn this into a Just Helicopter Wynie Wynie type forum.
For the record...when it comes to flying there is only "the correct way" I agree 100%. Don\'t let competitors tarnish an entrepeneurial (spelling???) spirit.
Remember to sift through the "b%$#ll sh((%#$%t to get the relevant bits.
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Hye there Gunnnnsss.
Not avoiding you...just the servers in deepest darkest are only a sidgen slower than my last remaining ageing brain-cell.
The instructor was not A.B. who you suggested but his name I would leave for himself to publish unless you want it Pm'd .....might not have 100's of hours on a Huey but who has in SA ........can tell you he is comm licenced, rated and competent.
Not avoiding you...just the servers in deepest darkest are only a sidgen slower than my last remaining ageing brain-cell.
The instructor was not A.B. who you suggested but his name I would leave for himself to publish unless you want it Pm'd .....might not have 100's of hours on a Huey but who has in SA ........can tell you he is comm licenced, rated and competent.
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As one instructing or doing pilot checkouts in the/a Huey, you guys have been all over one G F.
What is the true story on this individual.
Is he an Instructor?? Someone I think mentioned he was a "Factory Rep" or something similar. What factory,certainly not Bell...
Maybe he would even like to clear the air on this matter. The invite is there.
As to the B204 Huey, it appears that the shadow of the past continues to follow. Pax on board is that shadow. Based on everything else if one wants to keep that thing going it appears the SACAA wont stand in the way. So why not do things right.
Pilot checkouts are legal,with SACAA approved instructors. Quite frankly if a Pilot is qualified with plenty of turbine time, an hour would suffice.
I am serious when I say SA Fire Management could use a fleet of Hueys. They are cheap, pretty much bullet proof as to maintaining them and easy to fly. If someone could just get word to the owners that there is a great potential if done according to Hoyle. I would bet we could see more heading to SA. AND maybe just get some OH-58s/206s for Aerial Observation
IF one wants to give rides etc. Buy a B205, paint it to look like a Huey, 99% of the idiots wont know the difference AND its LEGAL.
What part of following rules dont we understand. This thread would go away in a heartbeat if things start getting done correctly.
Irregardless of how much the SACAA may be toast, at least the Pilots, Mechanics, Owners would not be dodging bullets and wouldnt have to hang their heads in shame for flagrant violations..
There is a chance to salvage this mess.
What is the true story on this individual.
Is he an Instructor?? Someone I think mentioned he was a "Factory Rep" or something similar. What factory,certainly not Bell...
Maybe he would even like to clear the air on this matter. The invite is there.
As to the B204 Huey, it appears that the shadow of the past continues to follow. Pax on board is that shadow. Based on everything else if one wants to keep that thing going it appears the SACAA wont stand in the way. So why not do things right.
Pilot checkouts are legal,with SACAA approved instructors. Quite frankly if a Pilot is qualified with plenty of turbine time, an hour would suffice.
I am serious when I say SA Fire Management could use a fleet of Hueys. They are cheap, pretty much bullet proof as to maintaining them and easy to fly. If someone could just get word to the owners that there is a great potential if done according to Hoyle. I would bet we could see more heading to SA. AND maybe just get some OH-58s/206s for Aerial Observation
IF one wants to give rides etc. Buy a B205, paint it to look like a Huey, 99% of the idiots wont know the difference AND its LEGAL.
What part of following rules dont we understand. This thread would go away in a heartbeat if things start getting done correctly.
Irregardless of how much the SACAA may be toast, at least the Pilots, Mechanics, Owners would not be dodging bullets and wouldnt have to hang their heads in shame for flagrant violations..
There is a chance to salvage this mess.
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Thanks Capt P,
No problems - keep his name not serious just strange that it is withheld.
If you see unlce Arthur - send him my regards.
PS: Bert - excellent post mate. Well said
No problems - keep his name not serious just strange that it is withheld.
If you see unlce Arthur - send him my regards.
PS: Bert - excellent post mate. Well said
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Guns....only keping the name off because this site is synomonous with ill feeling and corruption and don't want to associate his name with that. His first name is Ian.
B - well said and I can add that the 205's coming in for fire fighting are from Germany...I believe there are 3 of them. They should be certified BH05 with the T53 dash 13 engines but we will have to wait and see. The planning is as you suggested for left bubble window for about a 20 metre line.and remote gauges. 1 crew operation as opposed to our normal Mi8/Puma/Kamov pilot /engineer system.
PS Put $100 on black for me.....I love that place!!!!!!!
B - well said and I can add that the 205's coming in for fire fighting are from Germany...I believe there are 3 of them. They should be certified BH05 with the T53 dash 13 engines but we will have to wait and see. The planning is as you suggested for left bubble window for about a 20 metre line.and remote gauges. 1 crew operation as opposed to our normal Mi8/Puma/Kamov pilot /engineer system.
PS Put $100 on black for me.....I love that place!!!!!!!
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Capt P, your memory is short. You don't seem to remember the discussion we had over a beer with your mate from FAYP (the well known Oryx pilot) when the Huey operation was discussed, and at that time, your expressed thoughts, was not in line with your thoughts now.
I see from your thread the instructor is called Ian. You also say, and I quote: "might not have 100's of hours on Hueys, but who in SA does?"
Well, Ian probably does not have more than 5 hours on a Huey, as he was only converted a day or two before he got the instructor rating. The sad part of it all is that he was converted onto a "non standard Huey, where the engine is not standard, and neither are the procedures ranging from the start to actual flight. A "bastardized" sort of Huey, with Dash 13 instrument markings, but a Dash 11 engine. The Dash 13 Placard have not even been removed from the panel.
There are also a couple of other pilots right here in SA that have flown high time on Hueys and Bell 205's, right here in SA. Including the owner. Some of those pilots are also instructors, and you know the reason why they were not willing to get involved. Its a shame that you guys had to get converted by a " Huey novice", but you also know the reason why that was done.
Its a pity that the Hueys have become so tainted through all the bad publicity, which I believe, reading thru all the threads, was initiated due to professional jealousy. It still very clear that professional jealousy rules in this saga. Its a real shame. Its also a great pity that the operators, cannot distinguish between right and wrong, and that the envelope are continuously pushed beyond the parameters of the law. So where are the professionalism? People that criticise the Huey operations are Commercial Operators that cannot understand why the SACAA does not pull the teeth on this lot. They (the Commercial operators) have to abide by the law and the regulations to maintain their AOC's at great cost, including your company, this whilst the SACAA allows the Huey owners to break every single rule in the book. So what is fair, and what is'nt? Would you, as a professional, run your company that way? I almost doubt it.
The CAA should wake up and take control of this lot. The 204HP are already associated with the Cape Huey and its people, and reading thru the threads, it is clear that this helicopter are severely tainted thru the association with the CPT Huey Operation. Its not going to get any better either. The guys will start flying pax in violation of the C of A, and then it will be nothing else but another fly by night, mickey mouse operation, only to be taken with a pinch of salt by aviation worldwide, and uncontrolled by the SACAA, due to concerns of being legally challenged.
It's scenarios like this, that taints South African Aviation as a whole, and the professionalism thereof. That's why this lot will always get criticism, and I can assure you that it will continue, here on pprune and elsewhere, until such time that these guys come to their senses, which may be never, because money speaks louder than the law. Viva Africa!
I see from your thread the instructor is called Ian. You also say, and I quote: "might not have 100's of hours on Hueys, but who in SA does?"
Well, Ian probably does not have more than 5 hours on a Huey, as he was only converted a day or two before he got the instructor rating. The sad part of it all is that he was converted onto a "non standard Huey, where the engine is not standard, and neither are the procedures ranging from the start to actual flight. A "bastardized" sort of Huey, with Dash 13 instrument markings, but a Dash 11 engine. The Dash 13 Placard have not even been removed from the panel.
There are also a couple of other pilots right here in SA that have flown high time on Hueys and Bell 205's, right here in SA. Including the owner. Some of those pilots are also instructors, and you know the reason why they were not willing to get involved. Its a shame that you guys had to get converted by a " Huey novice", but you also know the reason why that was done.
Its a pity that the Hueys have become so tainted through all the bad publicity, which I believe, reading thru all the threads, was initiated due to professional jealousy. It still very clear that professional jealousy rules in this saga. Its a real shame. Its also a great pity that the operators, cannot distinguish between right and wrong, and that the envelope are continuously pushed beyond the parameters of the law. So where are the professionalism? People that criticise the Huey operations are Commercial Operators that cannot understand why the SACAA does not pull the teeth on this lot. They (the Commercial operators) have to abide by the law and the regulations to maintain their AOC's at great cost, including your company, this whilst the SACAA allows the Huey owners to break every single rule in the book. So what is fair, and what is'nt? Would you, as a professional, run your company that way? I almost doubt it.
The CAA should wake up and take control of this lot. The 204HP are already associated with the Cape Huey and its people, and reading thru the threads, it is clear that this helicopter are severely tainted thru the association with the CPT Huey Operation. Its not going to get any better either. The guys will start flying pax in violation of the C of A, and then it will be nothing else but another fly by night, mickey mouse operation, only to be taken with a pinch of salt by aviation worldwide, and uncontrolled by the SACAA, due to concerns of being legally challenged.
It's scenarios like this, that taints South African Aviation as a whole, and the professionalism thereof. That's why this lot will always get criticism, and I can assure you that it will continue, here on pprune and elsewhere, until such time that these guys come to their senses, which may be never, because money speaks louder than the law. Viva Africa!
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TooBadSoSad,
The first sentence in your post is spectacularly correct
If you are who I think you are then you don't even fly helos anymore so why the animosity??
I also did the conversion with Capt P. and echo his sentiments regarding the training.
With 12 years of fire-fighting of which the last four were on helos the moniker "3 day wonder" is a bit off the mark.
btw, keep your manuals for your fan club; we got our own for the conversion
The first sentence in your post is spectacularly correct
If you are who I think you are then you don't even fly helos anymore so why the animosity??
I also did the conversion with Capt P. and echo his sentiments regarding the training.
With 12 years of fire-fighting of which the last four were on helos the moniker "3 day wonder" is a bit off the mark.
btw, keep your manuals for your fan club; we got our own for the conversion
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toobadsosad...Spent a year at Muther Rucker?? Must be a new kid on the block. Also must have been set back a few times as the class is not that long.
Further it does not take that long to learn to fly a Huey.....even in the U.S. Army.
If its in the initial flight training, its just a transition and I guess they are now using the TH-67 instead of the OH-58. Same dam thing, just a change of words between Bell and the Army.
In the real world transition to other aircraft do not require the gestation period of an Elephant. If one is a comercially rated Pilot with experience, transition can be done in a day or so. Its done like that all over the world.
I also have Huey Manuals, Cobra Manuals, Kiowa Manuals and all the A-Star series through EC-120, EC-130B4 and Maintenance Manuals. They can now be had on CD-ROM, if anyone is interested my email works............
Further it does not take that long to learn to fly a Huey.....even in the U.S. Army.
If its in the initial flight training, its just a transition and I guess they are now using the TH-67 instead of the OH-58. Same dam thing, just a change of words between Bell and the Army.
In the real world transition to other aircraft do not require the gestation period of an Elephant. If one is a comercially rated Pilot with experience, transition can be done in a day or so. Its done like that all over the world.
I also have Huey Manuals, Cobra Manuals, Kiowa Manuals and all the A-Star series through EC-120, EC-130B4 and Maintenance Manuals. They can now be had on CD-ROM, if anyone is interested my email works............
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TooBadSoSad........
I love it when one gets fired up...............
All I can tell you is ORWAC 70-28, So I neednt qualify anything else to you. The Flight Training is still not one year, you just had to spend a few months learning how to place one foot in front of the other before they would let you fly. I understand the year now.
Again in the real world it does not require a lot of time to get checked out. Most companies will have Pilots checked out and then those folks do "Bubba" time in the right seat until they are turned loose. So one day, three days, no matter, but only a military takes a year. A Huey conversion vs. a Boeing conversion is Apples and Oranges. Whether your talking CH-47/B234 or B737. If the Huey wasnt so simple, Warrant Officers wouldnt have flown them.
"And by the way B Sousa".. enough of that ...like your teaching me a lesson. Hey over 2000 hours in all forms of Hueys (A,B,D,E,H,M,V) I dont think I will learn much more from you.
I also have the Manual hard copies, its just easier in this world to use the CD-ROM..........relax already, nobody is picking on you......
As some of my friends will also tell you..You didnt do Wolters, your the new kid on the block.
Back to the topic..................Eish!!!!
I love it when one gets fired up...............
All I can tell you is ORWAC 70-28, So I neednt qualify anything else to you. The Flight Training is still not one year, you just had to spend a few months learning how to place one foot in front of the other before they would let you fly. I understand the year now.
Again in the real world it does not require a lot of time to get checked out. Most companies will have Pilots checked out and then those folks do "Bubba" time in the right seat until they are turned loose. So one day, three days, no matter, but only a military takes a year. A Huey conversion vs. a Boeing conversion is Apples and Oranges. Whether your talking CH-47/B234 or B737. If the Huey wasnt so simple, Warrant Officers wouldnt have flown them.
"And by the way B Sousa".. enough of that ...like your teaching me a lesson. Hey over 2000 hours in all forms of Hueys (A,B,D,E,H,M,V) I dont think I will learn much more from you.
I also have the Manual hard copies, its just easier in this world to use the CD-ROM..........relax already, nobody is picking on you......
As some of my friends will also tell you..You didnt do Wolters, your the new kid on the block.
Back to the topic..................Eish!!!!
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Don't worry B" I got brought shoulders and can carry some of the load.
2badsosad. Your chip light is on.
If I can't do a 3 day conversion onto a single engine helicopter then I'm not as good as my mother tells everyone I am......and I would have to delete the following Bell's from my logbook as well;
B206
B206L 1-4
B407 and various others.
As "B" sas this is the real world. I was also in the miliatry for long enough to realise no matter how thorough the training, they do overdo it.
For the record...this conversion was done 6 weeks before the expected arrival of the aircraft and further familiarization and Bambi Bucket training is planned.
Have a nice day.
So sori.....thats "broad"...oooops
2badsosad. Your chip light is on.
If I can't do a 3 day conversion onto a single engine helicopter then I'm not as good as my mother tells everyone I am......and I would have to delete the following Bell's from my logbook as well;
B206
B206L 1-4
B407 and various others.
As "B" sas this is the real world. I was also in the miliatry for long enough to realise no matter how thorough the training, they do overdo it.
For the record...this conversion was done 6 weeks before the expected arrival of the aircraft and further familiarization and Bambi Bucket training is planned.
Have a nice day.
So sori.....thats "broad"...oooops
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The saga continues & continues & continues......
Captain Pheromone stated in a previous posting that "three Hueys will be coming from Gernany, certified and all". Are you sure about that Capt P, or have you been told that they will be certified? Just curious!
If its true that they're coming from Germany, then they may be ex German UH-1D's converted to SWFA 205's and have been working in Germany on sling or fire operations only, as you know the SWFA STC does not allow for the carriage of passengers.
The UH-1D's that were built by Dornier under license from Bell, were built under type certificate number 3033 with the explicit arrangement that the moment any of those German UH-1D's leave Germany, their data plates will be removed and the type certificate will become invalid. So its highly unlikely that they will be straight ex German Border Police UH-1D's.
From the 350 odd Hueys built by Dornier, some went to the Army and some went to the the Border Police. The ones (about 50) that went to the Border Police were placed on the German Civilian Register from day one, but the same regulations applied to those. On leaving German soil, the type certificate become invalid, and the German CAA will not allow the export of any Huey with an Export C of A. Data plates can stay, but no export C of A.
Since Dornier went broke a few years ago, Bell withdrew the Type Certificate granted to Dornier, with the result that, that particular type certificate is now in the hands of Bell, and totally worthless anyway.
Some of those ex German Border Police Hueys ended up in Ecuador and Chilé, and following a visit to Chilé the last 2 weeks, I established that they were exported from Germany with all their books and paperwork, but no C of A from the German CAA, with the result that it took both the Ecuadorian and Chilean owners more than 2 years to get those Hueys flying, resulting in vigorous and very expensive re-certification programs.
The result?
In Chilé they are certified in the Restricted Category and you can basically use them for sling work only, which is exactly what they are used for in Chilé. In Ecuador they have been issued with Standard Type Certificates for Ecuador only, but the moment they leave Ecuador, the C of A's become invalid. They are used for a number of purposes in Ecuador, including the flying of tourists/passengers. Those flying Huey's are priced in the region of US$600 to US$800K. Not worth it, but a very expensive exercise for the owners.
I bumped into a Canadian Operation in Santiago Chilé called Eagle Copters. Their Headquarters are in Canada, and I was told that Transport Canada does not entertain the Huey Programs in Canada either. Bell 205's yes, but no Hueys. All Hueys working in America are on Restricted C of A's as well. A couple of Sherriff's Departments use them for law enforcement, the spraying of mosquitos etc. No pax flying though. Sherriff's crew only.
So it will be interesting to see what Capt P's Hueys will be like, where they come from, how they're certified etc. I think its virtually impossible to buy a "Unrestricted Huey" anywhere. When they're typed certificated like the SWFA machines, they can sling & fire fight, but cannot fly passengers. Essential crew only, and for that I think its a bit of a waste.
The solution?
If you want to fly pax, buy a civilian 205 which costs a great deal more than a Huey, but that will at least allow you to fly passengers legitimately without problems. Second hand 205's sell for in the region of US$1.5 to US$1.8 million.
Mind you, the SACAA have been very slack regarding the entire Huey operation in South Africa, and the way it's going now, I guess anything can be possible. After taking a couple of hidings in the Supreme Court, which costed them millions, they are now fairly and squarely in bed with the Huey people, and are condoning practises, totally unheard of.
The mere fact that the Madam Flight Operations Chief allowed a non type rated pilot/instructor/DE to conduct conversions, and then accepted/allowed/condoned those conversions after consultations/fights with the parties involved, is indicative of their incompetence, inability and their wilingness to break their own rules. Well done Madame Flight Operations Chief. You have surely earned your position in Aviation in Africa.
The result?
Watch this space........ there's more to come.
As long as there's a pprune. the stories will come in.
Captain Pheromone stated in a previous posting that "three Hueys will be coming from Gernany, certified and all". Are you sure about that Capt P, or have you been told that they will be certified? Just curious!
If its true that they're coming from Germany, then they may be ex German UH-1D's converted to SWFA 205's and have been working in Germany on sling or fire operations only, as you know the SWFA STC does not allow for the carriage of passengers.
The UH-1D's that were built by Dornier under license from Bell, were built under type certificate number 3033 with the explicit arrangement that the moment any of those German UH-1D's leave Germany, their data plates will be removed and the type certificate will become invalid. So its highly unlikely that they will be straight ex German Border Police UH-1D's.
From the 350 odd Hueys built by Dornier, some went to the Army and some went to the the Border Police. The ones (about 50) that went to the Border Police were placed on the German Civilian Register from day one, but the same regulations applied to those. On leaving German soil, the type certificate become invalid, and the German CAA will not allow the export of any Huey with an Export C of A. Data plates can stay, but no export C of A.
Since Dornier went broke a few years ago, Bell withdrew the Type Certificate granted to Dornier, with the result that, that particular type certificate is now in the hands of Bell, and totally worthless anyway.
Some of those ex German Border Police Hueys ended up in Ecuador and Chilé, and following a visit to Chilé the last 2 weeks, I established that they were exported from Germany with all their books and paperwork, but no C of A from the German CAA, with the result that it took both the Ecuadorian and Chilean owners more than 2 years to get those Hueys flying, resulting in vigorous and very expensive re-certification programs.
The result?
In Chilé they are certified in the Restricted Category and you can basically use them for sling work only, which is exactly what they are used for in Chilé. In Ecuador they have been issued with Standard Type Certificates for Ecuador only, but the moment they leave Ecuador, the C of A's become invalid. They are used for a number of purposes in Ecuador, including the flying of tourists/passengers. Those flying Huey's are priced in the region of US$600 to US$800K. Not worth it, but a very expensive exercise for the owners.
I bumped into a Canadian Operation in Santiago Chilé called Eagle Copters. Their Headquarters are in Canada, and I was told that Transport Canada does not entertain the Huey Programs in Canada either. Bell 205's yes, but no Hueys. All Hueys working in America are on Restricted C of A's as well. A couple of Sherriff's Departments use them for law enforcement, the spraying of mosquitos etc. No pax flying though. Sherriff's crew only.
So it will be interesting to see what Capt P's Hueys will be like, where they come from, how they're certified etc. I think its virtually impossible to buy a "Unrestricted Huey" anywhere. When they're typed certificated like the SWFA machines, they can sling & fire fight, but cannot fly passengers. Essential crew only, and for that I think its a bit of a waste.
The solution?
If you want to fly pax, buy a civilian 205 which costs a great deal more than a Huey, but that will at least allow you to fly passengers legitimately without problems. Second hand 205's sell for in the region of US$1.5 to US$1.8 million.
Mind you, the SACAA have been very slack regarding the entire Huey operation in South Africa, and the way it's going now, I guess anything can be possible. After taking a couple of hidings in the Supreme Court, which costed them millions, they are now fairly and squarely in bed with the Huey people, and are condoning practises, totally unheard of.
The mere fact that the Madam Flight Operations Chief allowed a non type rated pilot/instructor/DE to conduct conversions, and then accepted/allowed/condoned those conversions after consultations/fights with the parties involved, is indicative of their incompetence, inability and their wilingness to break their own rules. Well done Madame Flight Operations Chief. You have surely earned your position in Aviation in Africa.
The result?
Watch this space........ there's more to come.
As long as there's a pprune. the stories will come in.
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Ouch.....Someone got thier feelings hurt.. That doesnt happen very often in here..ha ha
Clipboard dropped a big bomb as many did not know the process in Germany did not allow for export.
A friend of mine , when speaking of these aircraft some months ago, failed to drop that little Pearl.
The saga contuinues.
Bottom line is , after having played a bit in the fires near the Waterberg, is that South Africa could seriously use some Hueys for this work. All the bickering in here wont make a hoot as the aircraft used in fire work can be legal, by the books etc. Nothing wrong with quickey conversions, but as a manager you just dont turn someone loose untill they get some experience . Thats where the Bubba time comes in. Left seater does some Bombing and right seater sees how its done. Eventually it becomes hands on and the rest is called an Experienced Pilot.
Essential crew in a Huey will be one or two seats, both qualified Pilots. All other folks no matter what their position in life are not necessary for this work and should be considered in violation of the STC. That includes Mechanics, Engineers, Lawn Mower Repairmen etc.
Now consider this one.........If it was observed that all the rules are followed for some period of time, lets say a year, season etc... Chances are maybe, just somehow that Surplus Cobras may find their way on the scene. They are using them in the States for Bucket work and for Fire Surveillance......
I had some folks really interested in coming over to assist with advice for this until the squabble between SACAA and the Money Makers. They want no part of it now...Too Bad for SA.
What Im saying is that if things are done right there is a chance that SA Fire management could open up a lot of work for a lot of Pilots and with other countries needing assistance...who knows what could happen.
I know nothing about Ag Spraying, but thats another big ballgame with lots of opportunity for Hueys.
Its just gotta be done by the rules.
Clipboard dropped a big bomb as many did not know the process in Germany did not allow for export.
A friend of mine , when speaking of these aircraft some months ago, failed to drop that little Pearl.
The saga contuinues.
Bottom line is , after having played a bit in the fires near the Waterberg, is that South Africa could seriously use some Hueys for this work. All the bickering in here wont make a hoot as the aircraft used in fire work can be legal, by the books etc. Nothing wrong with quickey conversions, but as a manager you just dont turn someone loose untill they get some experience . Thats where the Bubba time comes in. Left seater does some Bombing and right seater sees how its done. Eventually it becomes hands on and the rest is called an Experienced Pilot.
Essential crew in a Huey will be one or two seats, both qualified Pilots. All other folks no matter what their position in life are not necessary for this work and should be considered in violation of the STC. That includes Mechanics, Engineers, Lawn Mower Repairmen etc.
Now consider this one.........If it was observed that all the rules are followed for some period of time, lets say a year, season etc... Chances are maybe, just somehow that Surplus Cobras may find their way on the scene. They are using them in the States for Bucket work and for Fire Surveillance......
I had some folks really interested in coming over to assist with advice for this until the squabble between SACAA and the Money Makers. They want no part of it now...Too Bad for SA.
What Im saying is that if things are done right there is a chance that SA Fire management could open up a lot of work for a lot of Pilots and with other countries needing assistance...who knows what could happen.
I know nothing about Ag Spraying, but thats another big ballgame with lots of opportunity for Hueys.
Its just gotta be done by the rules.
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The rumours continue.The world is really a small place. Whilst I was lying in the bath with my neighbour's wife this evening, she told me that she met the girlfriend of the famous Huey Expert, FAA Inspector Authorized, Factory Trained Test Pilot and all the bells and whistles that goes along with the usual bull
Apparently, as she was told, the Cape Town Huey guys are now planning to re-certify their Huey, ZU-CVC, to the SWFA mod, so that they can get it re-registered on the ZS register as a type certificated SWFA 205. They believe by doing that, they will solve all their problems, as the machine will then be type certified and they can then do as they please. Sure they can, but once it becomes a SWFA 205, it can't fly pax, and that is what it is mostly used for at this time. If they achieve that, which I doubt, and they continue to fly pax, then they'll be breaking the regulations. (Not that they or the SACAA really cares.)
Well, it will be interesting to see how this lot pans out.
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Bladestrap...........Unfortunately those Hueys in the Cape have no documented History prior to their arrival in SA. THAT is a problem that cant be overcome..You can call them SWFA, Cadillacs, or BMW, but nothing can bring them legally back to life. Then of course SACAA seems as though they would sign off anything which only adds to the problem.
The SWFA stuff from the states has FAA approval. Questionable or not it is still approval and thats what is required in the world today. The only question that continues to haunt further import is is or is not the U.S. State Department agreeable to export Surplus Hueys be they Bell, SWFA, Garlick, East Coast or whoever is currently doing STCs.
Im hoping it will continue and that SA CAN make a dent in the Fire Suppression business. I would rather see a few Hueys with Buckets than a few hundred Bush Beaters. AND no I dont need to here its good for the economy to have folks beating out fires.
Only Bladestrap would come out with that Neighbors wife stuff........I think it was the Huey experts Girlfriend, he just wont fess up.
The SWFA stuff from the states has FAA approval. Questionable or not it is still approval and thats what is required in the world today. The only question that continues to haunt further import is is or is not the U.S. State Department agreeable to export Surplus Hueys be they Bell, SWFA, Garlick, East Coast or whoever is currently doing STCs.
Im hoping it will continue and that SA CAN make a dent in the Fire Suppression business. I would rather see a few Hueys with Buckets than a few hundred Bush Beaters. AND no I dont need to here its good for the economy to have folks beating out fires.
Only Bladestrap would come out with that Neighbors wife stuff........I think it was the Huey experts Girlfriend, he just wont fess up.
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You guys go on and on and on
I am the instructor who did the Huey conversions, you want my name email me with yours (just getting to know who you dudes are)
I might not be a Bell Test PILOT with thousands of hours experience (when do we stop learning !!!) however I am a Commercial (nearly ATP, have the subjects must just do flight test) & grade II Instructor on R22, R44, Jet Ranger, Alouette, AS350 and now B205.
So we did the conversion on a ZU Machine, sure we would all love to fly a new ZS registered and maintaned huey but ZU had 2DO. Besides its still legal and BIG BROTHER was watching.
The pilots I converted have thousands of flight and fire fighting hours, I was not there to teach them to fly just familiarise them with the machine. I myself studied the Flight and Maintenance manuals for a week before I even got into the machine (I also have a technical background) The conversions i carried out were to the best of my ability (no shortcuts no favours). We are all able to learn from each other so feel free to send me usefull information regarding flying or technical matters on the Huey so that one day I may be that PERFECT INSTRUCTOR who seems to be out there somewhere.
I play by the rules guys so dont knock me if you dont know me
Keep the game alive
I am the instructor who did the Huey conversions, you want my name email me with yours (just getting to know who you dudes are)
I might not be a Bell Test PILOT with thousands of hours experience (when do we stop learning !!!) however I am a Commercial (nearly ATP, have the subjects must just do flight test) & grade II Instructor on R22, R44, Jet Ranger, Alouette, AS350 and now B205.
So we did the conversion on a ZU Machine, sure we would all love to fly a new ZS registered and maintaned huey but ZU had 2DO. Besides its still legal and BIG BROTHER was watching.
The pilots I converted have thousands of flight and fire fighting hours, I was not there to teach them to fly just familiarise them with the machine. I myself studied the Flight and Maintenance manuals for a week before I even got into the machine (I also have a technical background) The conversions i carried out were to the best of my ability (no shortcuts no favours). We are all able to learn from each other so feel free to send me usefull information regarding flying or technical matters on the Huey so that one day I may be that PERFECT INSTRUCTOR who seems to be out there somewhere.
I play by the rules guys so dont knock me if you dont know me
Keep the game alive
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Interesting to note all the who-haa about the Huey's firefighting contracts that they are suppose to have.I know for a fact that every other helicopter company is bragging about some sort of fire-fighting contract either here or abroad.
One question: Where are all the fires??
Another thing, I know of another Cape Town company that has access to 4 Huey's that are already civilian certified and has all the required documentation.However, these heli's,proper Hueys, come at a price of $1 000 000 each.
Maybe thats why the guys down at the Waterfront have so much trouble because they buy the old war torn stuff.
Come on guys, put your money into your pockets and get proper machines.
One question: Where are all the fires??
Another thing, I know of another Cape Town company that has access to 4 Huey's that are already civilian certified and has all the required documentation.However, these heli's,proper Hueys, come at a price of $1 000 000 each.
Maybe thats why the guys down at the Waterfront have so much trouble because they buy the old war torn stuff.
Come on guys, put your money into your pockets and get proper machines.