The Huey in Capetown (including Huey down)
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Yo Bro's! The FACT wx is really good for flying. No problem there. The Huey is busy. Saw it land in the Table View area yesterday morning about 07.45. Heard that it was being flown for some movie shoot. Steven Segal is in Cape Town making a movie, so it may well have been for him. He's known to like helicopters in his action movies.
For the rest, things are pretty quiet. I have not observed the Baby Huey doing any flying yet, so I presume it has not yet been inspected & certified for flight. It will be interesting to see it take to the air. I saw that the owner had his company logo painted on it, so they must be ready to deploy it for service flying pax at the River Lodge they own. Interesting!
For the rest, things are pretty quiet. I have not observed the Baby Huey doing any flying yet, so I presume it has not yet been inspected & certified for flight. It will be interesting to see it take to the air. I saw that the owner had his company logo painted on it, so they must be ready to deploy it for service flying pax at the River Lodge they own. Interesting!
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Will the Rumor Mill ever cease???
And Rumor has it that ZS-RXX?? or whatever left the Cape for probable places North with a load of folks/ extra fuel. Indicates there is still much controversy as to whats going on. Also indicates that STCs dont apply in SA, Rules Dont apply in SA and folks can pretty much do as they please.
Say Goodby to the CAA , they appear to be out of teeth and no denture replacements in sight..........
And Rumor has it that ZS-RXX?? or whatever left the Cape for probable places North with a load of folks/ extra fuel. Indicates there is still much controversy as to whats going on. Also indicates that STCs dont apply in SA, Rules Dont apply in SA and folks can pretty much do as they please.
Say Goodby to the CAA , they appear to be out of teeth and no denture replacements in sight..........
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Cannot agree more. Seems like the Huey(s?) claimed squatter right(s?) at the V & A. PIE Act (only in Sefrica!) in force now. Good luck to Cape Town...this is starting to make The Flats and District Six look like Table Mountain and a white dice...s'pose it's Cape Town ain't it?
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According to the SA Register, ZS-RXX is a South West Florida Aviation SW204HP with serial number 1104. It is registered to an address at Parys in the Free State.
SACAA records indicate that it is certified for flight in the Restricted Category, and may not carry any passengers. It is certified to carry essential crew only.
One can only but wonder why anyone would want to buy a 7 seat helicopter that cannot carry any passengers, and are only good for cropspraying and external cargo operations?
I understand that the helicopter was acquired to be utilized at a River Lodge near Parys and at a Midrand based Conference Centre to fly passengers on coprporate team building, flips, Sun City Tours, bush trips, JHB scenic tours and lots more.
Found this site: www.midrandconferencecentre.co.za Scroll down till you find the Huey Helicopter. Looks interesting and mentions the association with the River Lodge.
It looks like a "copy cat" of the Cape Town Huey Operation. Names are similar as well.
If this helicopter is not certified to carry passengers, then it will be interesting to see what the SACAA intends doing when they do start flying the passengers.
Long live the Hueys.
SACAA records indicate that it is certified for flight in the Restricted Category, and may not carry any passengers. It is certified to carry essential crew only.
One can only but wonder why anyone would want to buy a 7 seat helicopter that cannot carry any passengers, and are only good for cropspraying and external cargo operations?
I understand that the helicopter was acquired to be utilized at a River Lodge near Parys and at a Midrand based Conference Centre to fly passengers on coprporate team building, flips, Sun City Tours, bush trips, JHB scenic tours and lots more.
Found this site: www.midrandconferencecentre.co.za Scroll down till you find the Huey Helicopter. Looks interesting and mentions the association with the River Lodge.
It looks like a "copy cat" of the Cape Town Huey Operation. Names are similar as well.
If this helicopter is not certified to carry passengers, then it will be interesting to see what the SACAA intends doing when they do start flying the passengers.
Long live the Hueys.
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"One can only but wonder why anyone would want to buy a 7 seat helicopter that cannot carry any passengers, and are only good for cropspraying and external cargo operations?"
Seats are really not an issue. Folks who use these aircraft in the states use them primarily for Forest Service work. They can sling a good bucket of water and also are good for Vert Ref Sling work.
"If this helicopter is not certified to carry passengers, then it will be interesting to see what the SACAA intends doing when they do start flying the passengers.".
I think we already know the answer to that after the ass whuppin they took on the first Huey. It doth appear they (SACAA) have neither the expertise in the system or the proper legal representation to do anything other than sit back and watch the show............
Seats are really not an issue. Folks who use these aircraft in the states use them primarily for Forest Service work. They can sling a good bucket of water and also are good for Vert Ref Sling work.
"If this helicopter is not certified to carry passengers, then it will be interesting to see what the SACAA intends doing when they do start flying the passengers.".
I think we already know the answer to that after the ass whuppin they took on the first Huey. It doth appear they (SACAA) have neither the expertise in the system or the proper legal representation to do anything other than sit back and watch the show............
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It doth appear they (SACAA) have neither the expertise in the system...to do anything other than sit back and watch the show............
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4HP,
Why do I get the feeling "Double Clutch J.A. Campbell" has something to do with it ... crop sprayer .. Parys .. River Lodge ..
Any body knows who's in the photo ?
http://www.midrandconferencecentre.co.za/huey.html
Why do I get the feeling "Double Clutch J.A. Campbell" has something to do with it ... crop sprayer .. Parys .. River Lodge ..
Any body knows who's in the photo ?
http://www.midrandconferencecentre.co.za/huey.html
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ZS-RXX is indeed certified by the CAA for non-commercial use only.
Thats on the front of the CoA and on the back it says, essential crew only, agricultural work, undersling operations and fire fighting as restrictions.
Thus, if the heli did indeed depart with 7 pax it was in breach of the SACAA CoA. It apparently got the ZS designation because it has a Type Cerificate, Restricted from the FAA and is thus technically not a Non-type certified aircraft.
Wonder what the powers that be will make of the ad that Gunns posted?
Probably, just ignore it because they got their fingers burnt by the two Gary\'s
This will go on untill they kill some tourist and the rest, as they say, will be history.
Thats on the front of the CoA and on the back it says, essential crew only, agricultural work, undersling operations and fire fighting as restrictions.
Thus, if the heli did indeed depart with 7 pax it was in breach of the SACAA CoA. It apparently got the ZS designation because it has a Type Cerificate, Restricted from the FAA and is thus technically not a Non-type certified aircraft.
Wonder what the powers that be will make of the ad that Gunns posted?
Probably, just ignore it because they got their fingers burnt by the two Gary\'s
This will go on untill they kill some tourist and the rest, as they say, will be history.
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A little confusion here. The advertisement that Guns posted shows and mentions a B205/UH-1. The latest one from the Cape is a B204(Type) UH-1. Is there more than one aircraft??
Either way the folks are pretty Ballsy advetising that they will be violating the Rules. But again, whos going to do anything.
Either way the folks are pretty Ballsy advetising that they will be violating the Rules. But again, whos going to do anything.
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Warloc67, you are indeed in the know when it comes to whats printed on the CoA of ZS-RXX.
The pax that you and Gunns mention did indeed go for a flight. Was not 7 pax but was more like 14. (2 trips)
The owner of the machine took family and mates for a jolly..nothing wrong with that is there? The powers that be will not need to burn the little fingers with this one as there is no wrong doing.
"This will go on until they kill some tourist and the rest, as they say, will be history" How can you say that? Not very nice is it? Sounds like you WANT, WISH FOR, and are HOPING that the Huey crashes....
You should know by now that most of the fire-fighting (Titan) guys have done conversions to type on the Huey. These pilots are all experienced professionals who were more than happy to get in and fly.
Enough said.....
The pax that you and Gunns mention did indeed go for a flight. Was not 7 pax but was more like 14. (2 trips)
The owner of the machine took family and mates for a jolly..nothing wrong with that is there? The powers that be will not need to burn the little fingers with this one as there is no wrong doing.
"This will go on until they kill some tourist and the rest, as they say, will be history" How can you say that? Not very nice is it? Sounds like you WANT, WISH FOR, and are HOPING that the Huey crashes....
You should know by now that most of the fire-fighting (Titan) guys have done conversions to type on the Huey. These pilots are all experienced professionals who were more than happy to get in and fly.
Enough said.....
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Yup and I was one of them.
Politics aside and let the good bits be heard as well. 6 current fire fighting pilots ranging from 1500 hrs to 8000 hr experience did a BH05 conversion recently in anticipation of aircraft being brought into South Africa for Bambi Bucket fire fighting operations.
On arrival at the Cape facility the class room was cleaned and ready, flight manual per person, hand out notes, diagrams and quizzes were prepared. SACAA was in fact busy with an inspection of the facility and delayed the start of the course. Once finished - (and now now personal feelings aside, children)- the inspection passed we began a comprehensive technical course.
The day was alternated by classroom lessons and technical on the aircraft itself. Day 2 was half technical and half preflight, start procedures (according to a checklist) and flight briefings. We then did an orientation flight.
Day 3 was spent flying doing general handling and then a period of emergency training.(Comm qualified type rated instructor)(Autho sheets and tech logs all filled out)
All in all a professionally presented course and a 3 day conversion onto a single engine helicopter - you can't ask nor do you need more than that.
Well done guys.
Right......your turn...................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS .....what a pleasure flying her.
Politics aside and let the good bits be heard as well. 6 current fire fighting pilots ranging from 1500 hrs to 8000 hr experience did a BH05 conversion recently in anticipation of aircraft being brought into South Africa for Bambi Bucket fire fighting operations.
On arrival at the Cape facility the class room was cleaned and ready, flight manual per person, hand out notes, diagrams and quizzes were prepared. SACAA was in fact busy with an inspection of the facility and delayed the start of the course. Once finished - (and now now personal feelings aside, children)- the inspection passed we began a comprehensive technical course.
The day was alternated by classroom lessons and technical on the aircraft itself. Day 2 was half technical and half preflight, start procedures (according to a checklist) and flight briefings. We then did an orientation flight.
Day 3 was spent flying doing general handling and then a period of emergency training.(Comm qualified type rated instructor)(Autho sheets and tech logs all filled out)
All in all a professionally presented course and a 3 day conversion onto a single engine helicopter - you can't ask nor do you need more than that.
Well done guys.
Right......your turn...................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS .....what a pleasure flying her.
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Rebound and Capt P.
No doubt a real fun machine. They are also very sturdy and good sling machines. Fire fighting will be a joy. Short cable bucket use a mirror or long cable Vert Ref from the left seat. You can get a mod with a bubble window for the left seat and also have the Tq,TOT,RPM guages right in the door so that they are in view as your watching your load.
"The pax that you and Gunns mention did indeed go for a flight. Was not 7 pax but was more like 14. (2 trips)
The owner of the machine took family and mates for a jolly..nothing wrong with that is there? The powers that be will not need to burn the little fingers with this one as there is no wrong doing."
I think the above has been asked and answered as a direct violation of the STC.. OK, just a little violation, sort of like almost Pregnant. I believe thats what this whole thread is about. Not that the Huey has done anything wrong or is a bad aircraft, just a bunch of bad decisions by both Pilots and Mechanics??,that so far have not hurt anyone.
In any other situation you would claim that your standards would not allow you to .......buzz the city or fly an aircraft with a problem etc. Yet its taken as a joke here that folks other than essential crew are just going for a jolly.....
Jolly this one. Were you an ATP or Commercial Pilot who flaunted that in the states and were identified. You would probably never find work as a Pilot.
Heres hoping the owner continues with this as mentioned above. A good Fire Machine and getting as many Pilots checked out as possible. SA needs to get into the real world when it comes to firefighting and a Huey is a great choice. The only way they are going to get more of them over to SA and maybe even with the blessing of the U.S.Government. (Surplus Aircraft)- Government to Government) Is to adhere to the strict guidlines that were originally set up for the aircraft.
No doubt a real fun machine. They are also very sturdy and good sling machines. Fire fighting will be a joy. Short cable bucket use a mirror or long cable Vert Ref from the left seat. You can get a mod with a bubble window for the left seat and also have the Tq,TOT,RPM guages right in the door so that they are in view as your watching your load.
"The pax that you and Gunns mention did indeed go for a flight. Was not 7 pax but was more like 14. (2 trips)
The owner of the machine took family and mates for a jolly..nothing wrong with that is there? The powers that be will not need to burn the little fingers with this one as there is no wrong doing."
I think the above has been asked and answered as a direct violation of the STC.. OK, just a little violation, sort of like almost Pregnant. I believe thats what this whole thread is about. Not that the Huey has done anything wrong or is a bad aircraft, just a bunch of bad decisions by both Pilots and Mechanics??,that so far have not hurt anyone.
In any other situation you would claim that your standards would not allow you to .......buzz the city or fly an aircraft with a problem etc. Yet its taken as a joke here that folks other than essential crew are just going for a jolly.....
Jolly this one. Were you an ATP or Commercial Pilot who flaunted that in the states and were identified. You would probably never find work as a Pilot.
Heres hoping the owner continues with this as mentioned above. A good Fire Machine and getting as many Pilots checked out as possible. SA needs to get into the real world when it comes to firefighting and a Huey is a great choice. The only way they are going to get more of them over to SA and maybe even with the blessing of the U.S.Government. (Surplus Aircraft)- Government to Government) Is to adhere to the strict guidlines that were originally set up for the aircraft.
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Quote from Rebound ..
Remind me where I mention anything re these pax mate ?
The pax that you and Gunns mention did indeed go for a flight. Was not 7 pax but was more like 14. (2 trips)
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I find it amazing that the violations in terms of the C of A are openly flaunted on this thread. It just proves that these guys don't have any regard for the law or the CAA for that matter.
Big question? Why do they do it? Why would any pilot want to jeopardise his license by violating the conditions as stipulated on the C of A?
Capt P, you were once a fierce critic of the Cape Town Huey Operation, and it appears from your posting that you may all along have been wrong in your assumption of the operation, as you have now experienced it first hand. Professional and all. Amazing what a bit of "Huey flying" can do to change a man's mind huh?
Big question? Why do they do it? Why would any pilot want to jeopardise his license by violating the conditions as stipulated on the C of A?
Capt P, you were once a fierce critic of the Cape Town Huey Operation, and it appears from your posting that you may all along have been wrong in your assumption of the operation, as you have now experienced it first hand. Professional and all. Amazing what a bit of "Huey flying" can do to change a man's mind huh?
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No Prob's rebound.
Capt P .. sorry another question. I think I know who you are and yes you guys have a LOT of experience .. there goes my hat to you.
Now just a simple question (and please correct me immidiately if I am wrong).
The C & A reads something like " NO PAX Essential Crew Only "
Right or wrong ?
Rebound justified the fact that no problem with pax (friends / family)..
Is this professional ?
Is this the correct attitude ?
PS: If I may ask who was you instructor on this very profesional course (really sounds like it and I am not sarcastic). Arthur Bradstreet ?
Cheers all
Long live the Huey (correctly applied)
Capt P .. sorry another question. I think I know who you are and yes you guys have a LOT of experience .. there goes my hat to you.
Now just a simple question (and please correct me immidiately if I am wrong).
The C & A reads something like " NO PAX Essential Crew Only "
Right or wrong ?
Rebound justified the fact that no problem with pax (friends / family)..
The owner of the machine took family and mates for a jolly..nothing wrong with that is there?
Is this the correct attitude ?
PS: If I may ask who was you instructor on this very profesional course (really sounds like it and I am not sarcastic). Arthur Bradstreet ?
Cheers all
Long live the Huey (correctly applied)
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Ja well now fine Rebound ... 
I know who you are and you know who I am. Right, although this is a rumour network this is also a professional pilot's rumour network.
Now I am sure you are a professional car mechanic.
Now why throw bait ... ?
What's the point.
I think you meant what you posted and is sort of slightly back tracking now mate ..
Have a GREAT long weekend ...
PS: Long live the Huey (when correctly and professionally applied)
I know who you are and you know who I am. Right, although this is a rumour network this is also a professional pilot's rumour network.
Now I am sure you are a professional car mechanic.
Now why throw bait ... ?
What's the point.
I think you meant what you posted and is sort of slightly back tracking now mate ..
Have a GREAT long weekend ...
PS: Long live the Huey (when correctly and professionally applied)
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This thread could easily now have "Huey" substituted by "SAA". Same crap, just on a different level. Equal amount of two-faced jack-asses around it would seem. Except it seems (relative to the Huey(s?) and SAA of course) , one is using Government and the other one is abusing Government...or the lack off...
, one is using Government and the other one is abusing Government...or the lack off...