The Huey in Capetown (including Huey down)
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204's certainly don't cost US$600K to a million in US$'s.
Neither did those old stripped out Hueys cost that when they were acquired 2 years ago.
I was told today that the 204 in the picture above was imported by Jannie Smith of Parys in the Free State. An ex cropspraying pilot now a businessman who flies charters in a King Air 200. He also owns a MD 500E. Rumoured price he paid to be in the region of US$340K.
It certainly looks nice in the pic. A 7 pax configuration I'm lead to believe. Well, I'm sure the owner will have a lot of fun with it. Good luck & safe flying.
Neither did those old stripped out Hueys cost that when they were acquired 2 years ago.
I was told today that the 204 in the picture above was imported by Jannie Smith of Parys in the Free State. An ex cropspraying pilot now a businessman who flies charters in a King Air 200. He also owns a MD 500E. Rumoured price he paid to be in the region of US$340K.
It certainly looks nice in the pic. A 7 pax configuration I'm lead to believe. Well, I'm sure the owner will have a lot of fun with it. Good luck & safe flying.
Mr B
Thank you so much for the info! Very interesting, I'm straight onto Amazon to get some more avaition books on Vietnam.
So do you fly out of Vegas? Cos if you do I know a load of Virgin hosties who love to flip around town there
Farmpilot
Thank you so much for the info! Very interesting, I'm straight onto Amazon to get some more avaition books on Vietnam.
So do you fly out of Vegas? Cos if you do I know a load of Virgin hosties who love to flip around town there
Farmpilot
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7 Pax looks good, but as posted before, Type Certificate is for Zero Pax (in a normal world).. Lets hear the FAA Inspector??? say it aint so.
Farmpilot, tell the Hosties that the head Virgin has a piece of the company I fly for so they get employee rates..... It works both ways.
www.heliusa.com
Farmpilot, tell the Hosties that the head Virgin has a piece of the company I fly for so they get employee rates..... It works both ways.
www.heliusa.com
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It must have been you guys I flew with last year then. The Mrs did a long Vegas so we did the night flip down the strip. Very impressed I was to, we even had the old squirrel dance routine at the end. Still very good and well worth the employee rates
I'll look you up next time I'm there, do you do camera ship flying? Sorry Mr Moderator if this is greying the boundries a bit........
It must have been you guys I flew with last year then. The Mrs did a long Vegas so we did the night flip down the strip. Very impressed I was to, we even had the old squirrel dance routine at the end. Still very good and well worth the employee rates
I'll look you up next time I'm there, do you do camera ship flying? Sorry Mr Moderator if this is greying the boundries a bit........
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Why does an aircraft need to fly Pax to survive. Word has it that the new Company has some very inovative ideas for the future of their machines wich include, but not limited to, fire fighting, slinging and airshows etc. I know that you will say "let's wait and see, time will tell" and you may get to keep your 100 Bucks, but don't "SHOOT" them down before they have even 'got off the GROUND'.
Why does an aircraft need to fly Pax to survive. Word has it that the new Company has some very inovative ideas for the future of their machines wich include, but not limited to, fire fighting, slinging and airshows etc. I know that you will say "let's wait and see, time will tell" and you may get to keep your 100 Bucks, but don't "SHOOT" them down before they have even 'got off the GROUND'.
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Terminator..........
Now that we know whos camp your in, let me explain.........
Nobody is shooting anyone down. As I said it all comes down to the almighty Rand.
Firefighting, Slingloads, and Airshows are great but not as much money as hauling (SLF)Self Loading Freight on short term tours..
AND if I were a betting man. I would (for less money) use a sling aircraft that could pick up more than a B204 with a -11 engine. Same with a Bambi Bucket. Educated folks who intend on Sling work or Fire work would not even consider a B204 over a B205 for the same price. So either someone sold the Owner/Purchaser of this nice machine a bill of goods or eventually butts will hit the canvas seats depending on the mood of the Courts and CAA.
Another point here is that SWFA does take a UH-1B/204 and install 212 drive train, larger tailboom, and the -703 engine. If one were to invest in a Sling Aircraft that would be the ticket. IT is a real hauler. This does not appear to be the case in this situation.
Airshows by all means as this is a pretty aircraft and would be a real hit......Revenue?? not at airshows unless you haul PAX....
So for whoever invested in it with the kind of money mentioned here, Im sure want a return. Which makes your statement a case of smoke and mirrors to anyone in the helicopter industry.
Now that we know whos camp your in, let me explain.........
Nobody is shooting anyone down. As I said it all comes down to the almighty Rand.
Firefighting, Slingloads, and Airshows are great but not as much money as hauling (SLF)Self Loading Freight on short term tours..
AND if I were a betting man. I would (for less money) use a sling aircraft that could pick up more than a B204 with a -11 engine. Same with a Bambi Bucket. Educated folks who intend on Sling work or Fire work would not even consider a B204 over a B205 for the same price. So either someone sold the Owner/Purchaser of this nice machine a bill of goods or eventually butts will hit the canvas seats depending on the mood of the Courts and CAA.
Another point here is that SWFA does take a UH-1B/204 and install 212 drive train, larger tailboom, and the -703 engine. If one were to invest in a Sling Aircraft that would be the ticket. IT is a real hauler. This does not appear to be the case in this situation.
Airshows by all means as this is a pretty aircraft and would be a real hit......Revenue?? not at airshows unless you haul PAX....
So for whoever invested in it with the kind of money mentioned here, Im sure want a return. Which makes your statement a case of smoke and mirrors to anyone in the helicopter industry.
That is certainly a pretty B Model Huey....Bert...you confused me....did not the Charlie model have a 540 rotor system and the M model was nothing more than a Charlie model which had the -13 engine....which made the Mike Model a real horse. The Charlie model which is very similar to the Kilo model except for the engine, had the accumulator system and not a second independent hydraulic system. The Bell 205 had a single hydraulic system (same as the UH-1B/D/H....and the 205A-1 had dual hydraulics like the later derivative of the 205A-1 now known as the 212 and the deriviative of it called the 412. Also...the Bell 211 model which was basically a UH-1B airframe with a 2000 shp engine, a 48 foot wide chord blade with swept tips....I would assume an H model tailboom....that would lift 6000 pounds all day on the hook.
Trivia question for you Bert....on a Bell 412 where are the Bell 47 parts?
Trivia question for you Bert....on a Bell 412 where are the Bell 47 parts?
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Yes the C model was a B with the 540 and -11, also dual Hydraulics, then -13 for the M. Got my commas in the wrong place.
We had a B once with a -13 in it. To do a maintenance test they put sandbags in the back to hold it down. Dam thing came off the ground and might have over Tqd the Transmission, had a lot of power.
Took many a newbie slick driver out in M models when they were transitioning and taught them my first lesson which was the difference between the H and M. Heavy, Hot and High you lose the tail rotor right now. I used to take the guys up on a big clear ridge at about 6000' AGL and have them do an H model approach. It was a hoot to watch that pedal heading for the chin bubble just before the ass started swinging around. Their eyes got awful big before I said Ive got it and make a missed approach.
Its why I believe SWF is offering a B model with a larger tailboom, bigger drive train and -13 engine, it will be a slingload god. Im sure as time marches on the will also offer the left Bubble door with guages mounted for Vert Ref work. Not the case here as this is a raw B model set up as a display. Its sling capabilities are much less than the SWF/B, or the H. In fact I dont remember ever seeing a C or M used for sling they were always set up with Gun systems. Also the Dual Hydraulics were another nightmare similar to the 412, maybe even the 212. You lose one, get it down, you lose two......adios. M models did have separate independant systems not sure on the C. Its been 15 years since I flew an M, almost that long since I flew a Snake. I lost hydraulics once in an M model (only one of them)and it was interesting. Cockpit filled with mist in less than second, got the light etc., really woke me up on a dark night. They were somehow connected but still independant. each operated different aircraft systems as I recall.
As to the Cape Aircraft it looks very sweet in the Army colors and will be a great machine for Airshows as a "Static Display" or Demo flyer.. If done properly a skit could be put together with fees charged. I have been involved in a couple of those and some money could be made. Not as much as has been done in contravention to existing rules. Disagreement on this thread is based on prior use and maintenance of surplus aircraft.
Bell is now touting the new 210, have not heard of the 211. Its Bells way of making a ton of money. They have pissed and moaned about folks getting surplus UH-1s, now they realize there is a ton of money in it so they got a bunch from the military to refirb and make even more money. They missed the boat years ago when the surplus aircraft hit the streets. They didnt support them and most folks went to Eurocopter. Now that they are making a slight comeback, someone in the managment system must realize how they screwed up.
As to the 412/47, I only have a dozen or so hours in the 412 and a few hundred in the 47, so I never had someone ask that before. Im sure you will enlighten the forum with your vast knowledge.
Yes the C model was a B with the 540 and -11, also dual Hydraulics, then -13 for the M. Got my commas in the wrong place.
We had a B once with a -13 in it. To do a maintenance test they put sandbags in the back to hold it down. Dam thing came off the ground and might have over Tqd the Transmission, had a lot of power.
Took many a newbie slick driver out in M models when they were transitioning and taught them my first lesson which was the difference between the H and M. Heavy, Hot and High you lose the tail rotor right now. I used to take the guys up on a big clear ridge at about 6000' AGL and have them do an H model approach. It was a hoot to watch that pedal heading for the chin bubble just before the ass started swinging around. Their eyes got awful big before I said Ive got it and make a missed approach.
Its why I believe SWF is offering a B model with a larger tailboom, bigger drive train and -13 engine, it will be a slingload god. Im sure as time marches on the will also offer the left Bubble door with guages mounted for Vert Ref work. Not the case here as this is a raw B model set up as a display. Its sling capabilities are much less than the SWF/B, or the H. In fact I dont remember ever seeing a C or M used for sling they were always set up with Gun systems. Also the Dual Hydraulics were another nightmare similar to the 412, maybe even the 212. You lose one, get it down, you lose two......adios. M models did have separate independant systems not sure on the C. Its been 15 years since I flew an M, almost that long since I flew a Snake. I lost hydraulics once in an M model (only one of them)and it was interesting. Cockpit filled with mist in less than second, got the light etc., really woke me up on a dark night. They were somehow connected but still independant. each operated different aircraft systems as I recall.
As to the Cape Aircraft it looks very sweet in the Army colors and will be a great machine for Airshows as a "Static Display" or Demo flyer.. If done properly a skit could be put together with fees charged. I have been involved in a couple of those and some money could be made. Not as much as has been done in contravention to existing rules. Disagreement on this thread is based on prior use and maintenance of surplus aircraft.
Bell is now touting the new 210, have not heard of the 211. Its Bells way of making a ton of money. They have pissed and moaned about folks getting surplus UH-1s, now they realize there is a ton of money in it so they got a bunch from the military to refirb and make even more money. They missed the boat years ago when the surplus aircraft hit the streets. They didnt support them and most folks went to Eurocopter. Now that they are making a slight comeback, someone in the managment system must realize how they screwed up.
As to the 412/47, I only have a dozen or so hours in the 412 and a few hundred in the 47, so I never had someone ask that before. Im sure you will enlighten the forum with your vast knowledge.
The 211 model of the Huey was called the Huey Tug and was designed for sling loading 105mm artillery pieces with an A-22 bag of ammo. It used a Chinook engine....and a unique set of 48 foot blades with swept tips. I recall seeing some video of them flying but do not know what ever became of them. They were designed to take 6000 pounds on the cargo hook.
Take a wander over to a Bell 212 or 412 sometime and look at the tailboom baggage compartment door hinges.....Bell 47 Part numbers on them. Just a bit of trivia.
Take a wander over to a Bell 212 or 412 sometime and look at the tailboom baggage compartment door hinges.....Bell 47 Part numbers on them. Just a bit of trivia.
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Sasless, your gonna have to get to Vegas for a Beer OR, Im back to the Virgin islands next week for a month, come on down as I need a replacememnt Pilot, at least email me if you want to be a tour toad.
Bell 211 Huey Tug. I always thought that was the B214 but again your right. According to this site http://www.aerofiles.com/_bell.html
211 Huey Tug 1968 = Considered for the Army's prime Artillery Mover. Uprated dynamic system rated at 2000hp and a larger 48'0" rotor with a wide chord and swept tips.
214 (TC H10SW) - 16pCH, developed as an improved version of UH-1H, aka Huey Plus.
214 1970 = 2000hp Avco Lycoming T-53-L-702. POP: 4.
214A 1974 = 2930hp Avco Lycoming LTC4B-8D; rotor: 50'0" length: 49'3" load: 4020# v: x/161/0 range: 215. Gross wt: 11,480#. POP: 295.
214B Big Lifter 1975 = 2930hp Avco Lycoming LTC4B-8D. POP: 70.
214C 1977 = SAR version. POP: 39.
214ST aka Super Transport 1980 = Stretched twin. Two 1625hp GE CT7-2A (civil version of GE T700), rotor: 52'0" length: 49'4" v: x/161/0. Gross wt: 17,500#. Developed with funds provided by Imperial Iranian Army, but none delivered due to 1979 revolution in Iran. Approximately 40 later sold to Iraq and used in Iran-Iraq war, as well as Gulf War. POP: 98.
I told ya Im not an expert, just a Pilot.
As to Trivia..........Your remember the throttle grips on the Hiller OH-23(UH-12)??
Just to save you some curiosity, they said " Harley Davidson"
Bell 211 Huey Tug. I always thought that was the B214 but again your right. According to this site http://www.aerofiles.com/_bell.html
211 Huey Tug 1968 = Considered for the Army's prime Artillery Mover. Uprated dynamic system rated at 2000hp and a larger 48'0" rotor with a wide chord and swept tips.
214 (TC H10SW) - 16pCH, developed as an improved version of UH-1H, aka Huey Plus.
214 1970 = 2000hp Avco Lycoming T-53-L-702. POP: 4.
214A 1974 = 2930hp Avco Lycoming LTC4B-8D; rotor: 50'0" length: 49'3" load: 4020# v: x/161/0 range: 215. Gross wt: 11,480#. POP: 295.
214B Big Lifter 1975 = 2930hp Avco Lycoming LTC4B-8D. POP: 70.
214C 1977 = SAR version. POP: 39.
214ST aka Super Transport 1980 = Stretched twin. Two 1625hp GE CT7-2A (civil version of GE T700), rotor: 52'0" length: 49'4" v: x/161/0. Gross wt: 17,500#. Developed with funds provided by Imperial Iranian Army, but none delivered due to 1979 revolution in Iran. Approximately 40 later sold to Iraq and used in Iran-Iraq war, as well as Gulf War. POP: 98.
I told ya Im not an expert, just a Pilot.
As to Trivia..........Your remember the throttle grips on the Hiller OH-23(UH-12)??
Just to save you some curiosity, they said " Harley Davidson"
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7 Pax Ha Ha Ha
Hello China's the Grommet is back from simulator training... passed with flying colours. By the way the Bell 204 may be designed to carry 7 overweight Americans. Give that whirly bird to me for the weekend and I will run the Alex to Tshanba route in 17min with 22 brothers on board each way. I reckon I could make Mr Gary a small fortune in one weekend.
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Now Grommet, a black boy would never make a statement like that. You are sure as hell, as white as they come. Man, it is clear you don't know the black culture at all. You're having us all on. Some white boy pretending to have a Com and acting like a hout. No no no, not Grommet!
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Hmmmmm.....
Reading the dark Grommet's comments on a few other threads - I am still wondering...
Now, Mr. Eardrum Tube - my 20 million Zim $ is still up for grabs to the troll finder..
Has to be in slightly used so-called 'bearer certificates', as the Zimboon governmunt has run out of real money to print the funny money..
BTW - I know MANY of the training captains and aircrew in the local carriers - it shouldn't be too hard to find a Zimboon grommet who is doing sim training now, should it...
hook, bait, set...
Cheers
R
Reading the dark Grommet's comments on a few other threads - I am still wondering...
Now, Mr. Eardrum Tube - my 20 million Zim $ is still up for grabs to the troll finder..
Has to be in slightly used so-called 'bearer certificates', as the Zimboon governmunt has run out of real money to print the funny money..
BTW - I know MANY of the training captains and aircrew in the local carriers - it shouldn't be too hard to find a Zimboon grommet who is doing sim training now, should it...
hook, bait, set...
Cheers
R
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Glad to see you boys were busy while I took a short vacation.
It makes me wonder if you guys are really serious aviation enthusiasts or simply fed up with life and everybody else.
It seems though it is not necessary to expose Francois Marais/ Clipboard/ Bladestrap on the Jet Blast Forum as based on all the personal attacks on **** ***the moderator finds it acceptable on this thread.
I also find it interesting to note that certain pages on the EC120 thread have being removed by the moderator for whatever reason.
Like everybody else I'm not interested in mud slinging or being derogatory about anybody but I do believe that facts are facts and that fraudsters should be exposed. None the less may aviation prevail and helicopters be the preferred way of transport (much safer than fixed wing).
As promised I had a chat with the two Gary's and it seems as those our rumour network is not consistent with the truth.
If you are genuinely interested in the Hueys you can find **** *** at Helibase on any given day with the new toys and he has extended a special invitation to "Rhodie" and "Alwaysinverted".
By the way Bert, had a good look at the 204 and have been told by the engineers that it is one hell of an A/C with a dash 13 and H-model drive system and blades. (Blades cut down by a foot).
Still trying to get up to speed with what is going on and all the technical information and will be back shortly.
It makes me wonder if you guys are really serious aviation enthusiasts or simply fed up with life and everybody else.
It seems though it is not necessary to expose Francois Marais/ Clipboard/ Bladestrap on the Jet Blast Forum as based on all the personal attacks on **** ***the moderator finds it acceptable on this thread.
I also find it interesting to note that certain pages on the EC120 thread have being removed by the moderator for whatever reason.
Like everybody else I'm not interested in mud slinging or being derogatory about anybody but I do believe that facts are facts and that fraudsters should be exposed. None the less may aviation prevail and helicopters be the preferred way of transport (much safer than fixed wing).
As promised I had a chat with the two Gary's and it seems as those our rumour network is not consistent with the truth.
If you are genuinely interested in the Hueys you can find **** *** at Helibase on any given day with the new toys and he has extended a special invitation to "Rhodie" and "Alwaysinverted".
By the way Bert, had a good look at the 204 and have been told by the engineers that it is one hell of an A/C with a dash 13 and H-model drive system and blades. (Blades cut down by a foot).
Still trying to get up to speed with what is going on and all the technical information and will be back shortly.
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INJECTOR, now why would you be a messenger for Mr. **** ***? Why also would you want to invite me to the Helibase on behalf of Mr. **** ***? Having read your postings and your interest in the EC 120 thread, YOU ARE Mr. **** ***. That is clear!
Vacation??? What vacation? I was in the Helibase hangar this week, and met Ken & Jannie, and saw Mr. **** ***there, faffing about Jannie's UH-1B. Yes thats right Mr.***, I now know who you are.
Heard a couple of very interesting tales, but I guess that's nothing new! I just think that there are so many stories being told about the Hueys, and not even 20% is true.
I must say, I'm rather disappointed.
By the way Mr. INJECTOR, you keep on talking about exposing fraudsters? Is'nt that a bit rich coming from you? Why don't you name the SACAA Inspector involved in your alleged fraud scheme here on the thread? Lets see how big your balls are!
Vacation??? What vacation? I was in the Helibase hangar this week, and met Ken & Jannie, and saw Mr. **** ***there, faffing about Jannie's UH-1B. Yes thats right Mr.***, I now know who you are.
Heard a couple of very interesting tales, but I guess that's nothing new! I just think that there are so many stories being told about the Hueys, and not even 20% is true.
I must say, I'm rather disappointed.
By the way Mr. INJECTOR, you keep on talking about exposing fraudsters? Is'nt that a bit rich coming from you? Why don't you name the SACAA Inspector involved in your alleged fraud scheme here on the thread? Lets see how big your balls are!
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Or uses real names that are not already in the wider public domain !! Be warned for the last time. It is not acceptable to use real names whilst hiding behind the anonymity of a username on this or any other of these forums. The only common exceptions have been in the use of real names that are already in the public domain, or in the "where are they now" forum.
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Mr Alwaysinverted, you mention in your post that you were in the Huey hangar (AMO) earlier this week and saw . That may well be true.
has the right to be in the hangar, you were a guest (or a spy). Did you have a coffee or maybe a beer?
The Huey Extreme Club has never turned people away, they have welcomed all parties interested in aviation, may you be a pilot, journo or just some wannabe....
The problem that they face now is people who come visit, have a coffee, have a bullsh
t with the boys and then run off to go post on the pprune...
Thanks for the hospitality
has the right to be in the hangar, you were a guest (or a spy). Did you have a coffee or maybe a beer?
The Huey Extreme Club has never turned people away, they have welcomed all parties interested in aviation, may you be a pilot, journo or just some wannabe....
The problem that they face now is people who come visit, have a coffee, have a bullsh
t with the boys and then run off to go post on the pprune...Thanks for the hospitality