The Huey in Capetown (including Huey down)
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Tormas, albeit new to PPrune, did let you know hes the man. One good point he brings out that was not touched on earlier as to transitions etc.
Once someone is a licensed Pilot, and in this situation Commercially licensed, it is not necessary for one to re-learn the whole commercial program to get checked out. Its just a simple transition to another aircraft...A familiarization as he mentioned. The pilots who will be getting the contracts probably wont be hired unless they have the experience. Sounds to me like the game is being played by the rules.
As to Glmmerman, also new to PPrune.(Funny how folks get registered if something really bugs them). "Wheres the Fires" Thats something that Fire Aviation assets all over the world have to deal with. In the states they spend a lot of fire season sitting around waiting. When it happens its balls to the wall and long hours of work. One can only predict fires, based on available fuel, weather etc.
AS to the company in the Cape that has access to "four hueys" .if they are the four that started this thread, I dont think they should be considered airworthy and not part of the equation.. If they in fact are civilian B205A1 Aircraft that also brings up some thoughts. As in the states the jealousy of those with Civilian B205s versus those who have STCd the UH-1 is enormous. The used B205s cost usually over $1M wheras the UH-1 were usually picked up for say $250k and STCd for a few thousand more. It made a lot of folks unhappy. Could this be the case in Glimmermans post??
Once someone is a licensed Pilot, and in this situation Commercially licensed, it is not necessary for one to re-learn the whole commercial program to get checked out. Its just a simple transition to another aircraft...A familiarization as he mentioned. The pilots who will be getting the contracts probably wont be hired unless they have the experience. Sounds to me like the game is being played by the rules.
As to Glmmerman, also new to PPrune.(Funny how folks get registered if something really bugs them). "Wheres the Fires" Thats something that Fire Aviation assets all over the world have to deal with. In the states they spend a lot of fire season sitting around waiting. When it happens its balls to the wall and long hours of work. One can only predict fires, based on available fuel, weather etc.
AS to the company in the Cape that has access to "four hueys" .if they are the four that started this thread, I dont think they should be considered airworthy and not part of the equation.. If they in fact are civilian B205A1 Aircraft that also brings up some thoughts. As in the states the jealousy of those with Civilian B205s versus those who have STCd the UH-1 is enormous. The used B205s cost usually over $1M wheras the UH-1 were usually picked up for say $250k and STCd for a few thousand more. It made a lot of folks unhappy. Could this be the case in Glimmermans post??
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Amazing...... all these Hueys that are suddenly enroute to SA. All of a sudden, everyone wants a Huey, and one continues to hear stories about certified Hueys coming from Germany, from Canada, from Iran, from America etc. Where are they though? Then one hears stories that there is only one person in SA that can import Hueys legally, and that is the man who recently imported the SWFA 204HP. Apparently he has 12 import permits, and only he knows how to get them, contrary to popular belief.
I saw the SWFA 204HP at Wonderboom last Saturday. Also heard rumours that the owner has made submissions to the SACAA to alter the C of A so that he can fly passengers, and guess what????? The SACAA is very sympathetic, and MAY consider his request.
Well if that happens, then it is clear that the SACAA can set precedents, and that of course, will open the door very wide for anyone in aviation that wants to do as he pleases without needing authority or approval from the SACAA. A circus it surely will be.
I think its time that the Commercial Aviation Association set up a meeting with the Minister, the Commissioner and his utterly useless cronies, to address the incompetence of the SACAA. I mean, its gone to the dogs. No one there can take or make decisions, and the main madam, who by the way knows nothing about helicopters, simply cannot apply her mind in any sensible manner. Everything and anything goes.
Tormas, welcome to pprune. I think I met you during your stint in FAEL a year or so ago. You don't need to be so defensive, and neither do you have to explain yourself about professionalism etc. The question remains. Did you check the paperwork on the Huey you converted to? Did you see a valid C of A etc, and were you convinced that everything was perfect, Main Rotoir Blades not Timex, component cards, records etc, or did you just accept from the folks there, that all was OK? Thats where the professional bit comes in.
The other big question??? How current will you be on a Huey 4 or 5 months down the line when your fleet of Hueys arrive? How current will you be in case of an emergency? It's one thing having the rating after one or two flying hours, but surely you as an instructor should know that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. When that onboard emergency occur, how will you deal with it then? Maybe you guys should get the Canadian you initially approached to lecture you, to do some REAL Huey flying with you, and to teach you something about a Huey.
Good luck with your endeavours! This site is indeed very interesting.
I saw the SWFA 204HP at Wonderboom last Saturday. Also heard rumours that the owner has made submissions to the SACAA to alter the C of A so that he can fly passengers, and guess what????? The SACAA is very sympathetic, and MAY consider his request.
Well if that happens, then it is clear that the SACAA can set precedents, and that of course, will open the door very wide for anyone in aviation that wants to do as he pleases without needing authority or approval from the SACAA. A circus it surely will be.
I think its time that the Commercial Aviation Association set up a meeting with the Minister, the Commissioner and his utterly useless cronies, to address the incompetence of the SACAA. I mean, its gone to the dogs. No one there can take or make decisions, and the main madam, who by the way knows nothing about helicopters, simply cannot apply her mind in any sensible manner. Everything and anything goes.
Tormas, welcome to pprune. I think I met you during your stint in FAEL a year or so ago. You don't need to be so defensive, and neither do you have to explain yourself about professionalism etc. The question remains. Did you check the paperwork on the Huey you converted to? Did you see a valid C of A etc, and were you convinced that everything was perfect, Main Rotoir Blades not Timex, component cards, records etc, or did you just accept from the folks there, that all was OK? Thats where the professional bit comes in.
The other big question??? How current will you be on a Huey 4 or 5 months down the line when your fleet of Hueys arrive? How current will you be in case of an emergency? It's one thing having the rating after one or two flying hours, but surely you as an instructor should know that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. When that onboard emergency occur, how will you deal with it then? Maybe you guys should get the Canadian you initially approached to lecture you, to do some REAL Huey flying with you, and to teach you something about a Huey.
Good luck with your endeavours! This site is indeed very interesting.
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"Also heard rumours that the owner has made submissions to the SACAA to alter the C of A so that he can fly passengers, and guess what????? The SACAA is very sympathetic, and MAY consider his request.
Well if that happens, then it is clear that the SACAA can set precedents, and that of course, will open the door very wide for anyone in aviation that wants to do as he pleases without needing authority or approval from the SACAA. A circus it surely will be. "
I think from prior postings this should be of no surprise. I also can imagine that there will be some Rand transfered into some sticky little hands. That always helps with moving paperwork faster.
Its no longer a U.S. problem as its a ZS or ZU aircraft and the SACAA can do as it pleases. Passengers, Rockets, Mini-Guns only SA can rule on that. I can say that if SACAA allows this, its going to make it harder to get Airframes out of the States. And you can bet your next Beer, Big Brother is watching......That being said the German Aircraft will be acceptable in SA.
Lets wait and see what happens before we jump in the pond.
Well if that happens, then it is clear that the SACAA can set precedents, and that of course, will open the door very wide for anyone in aviation that wants to do as he pleases without needing authority or approval from the SACAA. A circus it surely will be. "
I think from prior postings this should be of no surprise. I also can imagine that there will be some Rand transfered into some sticky little hands. That always helps with moving paperwork faster.
Its no longer a U.S. problem as its a ZS or ZU aircraft and the SACAA can do as it pleases. Passengers, Rockets, Mini-Guns only SA can rule on that. I can say that if SACAA allows this, its going to make it harder to get Airframes out of the States. And you can bet your next Beer, Big Brother is watching......That being said the German Aircraft will be acceptable in SA.
Lets wait and see what happens before we jump in the pond.
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From a South African forum this weekend:
Spent the weekend at a place called Stonehenge which is just outside Parys. It was a work conference.
At the adjacent resort there was a Huey taking people for flips all weekend. Made it vert difficult to concentrate! Very nice paint job too.
At the adjacent resort there was a Huey taking people for flips all weekend. Made it vert difficult to concentrate! Very nice paint job too.
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Always inverted...welcome to the real world.
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I leave one line blank for you to write the names of all pilots you know who have ever checked a blade or component for correct paperwork unless he owns the aircraft....thats the engineers job and thats his professionalism that is tested not the pilots.
A tech log is a completely different story. If you are a pilot??????? thats where you sign to accept what an engineer has attested for.
Saying of the day....I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing.
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I leave one line blank for you to write the names of all pilots you know who have ever checked a blade or component for correct paperwork unless he owns the aircraft....thats the engineers job and thats his professionalism that is tested not the pilots.
A tech log is a completely different story. If you are a pilot??????? thats where you sign to accept what an engineer has attested for.
Saying of the day....I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing.
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Capt P has a point. I dont think I have ever climnbed onto a Helicopter to compare serial numbers. However, if someone does in the case of all this military surplus crap, Im sure there will be some surprises.
I still believe the SWFA 204 is probably legit when compared to the hulks in the Cape.
I still believe the SWFA 204 is probably legit when compared to the hulks in the Cape.
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Question for B Sousa
I seem to recall that under Part 61 and Part 91 in the USA (I am going back 10 years), not only were certain operations such as parachutist dropping, glider towing, banner towing and close proximity (25NM's??) sightseeing flips allowed to be flown by PPL's, but the aircraft did not have to be certified but could be ex-military or experimental. Am I correct and do these rules still apply? I seem to recall "B" model Hueys, old warbirds and various other interesting machines being flown at Quincy, Illinois during the annual World Freefall Convention.
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I do believe that PPLs have been allowed to do Parachuting etc,
if they were not compensated. That was the catch. Any work done for fiduciary renumeration requires a Commercial license.( Cavorting Cheetah will like that). This has come up here before in regards to folks in SA flying and dropping Meat Missles........
So you have been to Quincy?? Im sure must must have run into one of my employers flying his 412. www.aircenterhelicopters.com Thats another long story.
As to the aircraft not being certified, I dont think thats correct.
Lots of older warbirds have been registered as experimental, versus restricted category. Some with civilian counterparts are in normal category. DC-3s, C-54s etc. In fact in SA there are some former U.S. military aircraft registered in Normal Category.......
The Helicopters didnt have the restricted category problem until the eventual flood of Hueys etc. Remember that the B204 and the B205 were also civilian in nature, long before the military versions hit the street. Also some of the OH-6/MD-500C and TH-55/MD269 have found there way into Normal Category. That was because McDonald Douglas allowed it after an Approved Modification. Only a few mind you and now that "McDonald Douglas" is gone. That may not happen again.
Heres hoping that someday we may see some OH-58D/407 hit the street. It would require some extensive mods, but it would be sweeeeet.
For those of you into warbirds, I heard a familiar sound Sunday, looked outside to see a beautiful Silver B-25 fly over.......sure sounded good.
I do believe that PPLs have been allowed to do Parachuting etc,
if they were not compensated. That was the catch. Any work done for fiduciary renumeration requires a Commercial license.( Cavorting Cheetah will like that). This has come up here before in regards to folks in SA flying and dropping Meat Missles........
So you have been to Quincy?? Im sure must must have run into one of my employers flying his 412. www.aircenterhelicopters.com Thats another long story.
As to the aircraft not being certified, I dont think thats correct.
Lots of older warbirds have been registered as experimental, versus restricted category. Some with civilian counterparts are in normal category. DC-3s, C-54s etc. In fact in SA there are some former U.S. military aircraft registered in Normal Category.......
The Helicopters didnt have the restricted category problem until the eventual flood of Hueys etc. Remember that the B204 and the B205 were also civilian in nature, long before the military versions hit the street. Also some of the OH-6/MD-500C and TH-55/MD269 have found there way into Normal Category. That was because McDonald Douglas allowed it after an Approved Modification. Only a few mind you and now that "McDonald Douglas" is gone. That may not happen again.
Heres hoping that someday we may see some OH-58D/407 hit the street. It would require some extensive mods, but it would be sweeeeet.
For those of you into warbirds, I heard a familiar sound Sunday, looked outside to see a beautiful Silver B-25 fly over.......sure sounded good.
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Van der Merwe franchises his Huey
May 2005 Edition of Cape Business News.
Van der Merwe franchises his Huey.
Yes you're reading right. Gary van der Merwe, the controversial Cape Town aviator of the WIN Group which little more than two years ago left investors floundering, is at it again.
Except this time around he is not hawking shares in the WIN with the fantabulous claim that "all exit strategies present investors with the opportunity of realising an enormous potential capital gain" but is proffering franchises in a Huey with the come-on "Huge returns on your investment in this once of a lifetime opportunity, tried and tested formula".
If this is not enough there are other offers too, like "co-ownership or even outright purchase of a "once in a lifetime opportunity to own or participate in this legend of the sky". All of this according to his advertisement in a recent issue of the trademag Autotrader.
According to the ad various franchises are available with prices starting at R500 000, which includes 5% in the Huey.
This puts a value of R10 million on van der Merwe's Huey - quite a sum for a thirtysomething year old chopper.
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May 2005 Edition of Cape Business News.
Van der Merwe franchises his Huey.
Yes you're reading right. Gary van der Merwe, the controversial Cape Town aviator of the WIN Group which little more than two years ago left investors floundering, is at it again.
Except this time around he is not hawking shares in the WIN with the fantabulous claim that "all exit strategies present investors with the opportunity of realising an enormous potential capital gain" but is proffering franchises in a Huey with the come-on "Huge returns on your investment in this once of a lifetime opportunity, tried and tested formula".
If this is not enough there are other offers too, like "co-ownership or even outright purchase of a "once in a lifetime opportunity to own or participate in this legend of the sky". All of this according to his advertisement in a recent issue of the trademag Autotrader.
According to the ad various franchises are available with prices starting at R500 000, which includes 5% in the Huey.
This puts a value of R10 million on van der Merwe's Huey - quite a sum for a thirtysomething year old chopper.
Ed.
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You have to give this guy credit. If he pulls it off hes a bigger Snake Oil salesman than the world has ever seen.
You can get a flyable(Restricted Category) Huey anyday of the week for around $375k/R2.3M so again if an investor buys into this I have some Beachfront Property here in La$ Vega$ right near the Ocean. You just have to determine what you consider near.
It appears hes could sell water to a drowning man..Keep us posted.
You can get a flyable(Restricted Category) Huey anyday of the week for around $375k/R2.3M so again if an investor buys into this I have some Beachfront Property here in La$ Vega$ right near the Ocean. You just have to determine what you consider near.
It appears hes could sell water to a drowning man..Keep us posted.
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When done correctly..................... http://www.huey.co.uk/
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I see this saga even got an honorable mention in the latest issue of Heli-Ops Magazine (Issue 31 Mar/Apr) during an Interview with an Operator in Zambia.
Good to see that Operators in that part of the world are watching this closley. It will have a serious effect on their business and the future of SA Aviation as a competitor in the Helicopter world.
Good to see that Operators in that part of the world are watching this closley. It will have a serious effect on their business and the future of SA Aviation as a competitor in the Helicopter world.
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Hi all,
This will carry on for another few years still, the only question you must all ask yourselves!!!
Would you all put your families on it, and let it fly over the bay??
Without any floatation devices??
Well i certainly would not
I rather take a bell and do it, which i know has its mpi every 200 hrs, and no records or parts have been
????How many neer misses has there been??
1 or 2 or 3, well thats for us to know
Its all well we want a old vintage to fly, but lets all keep to the rules, and stop trying to side step the red tape
So all you that know??? give your reply on this
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"So all you that know??? give your reply on this"
Helllooo..........23 pages and 16,000+ hits. I think you will find all the answers to all the questions in there somewhere....
Crack open a good Bottle of Jack D, start from Post One..........
Helllooo..........23 pages and 16,000+ hits. I think you will find all the answers to all the questions in there somewhere....
Crack open a good Bottle of Jack D, start from Post One..........
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Those interested in the real HUEY ; On history channel is a great program of the "Birth and Ops of the Huey" .
As you know they repeat it over and over so just check your DSTV Mag's
Cheers
Gunzzzz
As you know they repeat it over and over so just check your DSTV Mag's
Cheers
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Having witnessed first hand the type of maintanence programme that the huey guys are following i would put my whole family on a flight without second thought.
Also, they have started to use comm pilots which is another positive move in the right direction. Now remember, a professional pilot who pre-flights this A/c and is happy to press the button....(Propspanner, really sir, this is not the bad wolf that you all believe it is. Could it be professional jealousy?)
ZU - CVC is in fact in better nick than half of the heli's flying from the waterfront.
The whole operation is moving forward with bigger things on the horizon.
Goodday all...safe flying.
Also, they have started to use comm pilots which is another positive move in the right direction. Now remember, a professional pilot who pre-flights this A/c and is happy to press the button....(Propspanner, really sir, this is not the bad wolf that you all believe it is. Could it be professional jealousy?)
ZU - CVC is in fact in better nick than half of the heli's flying from the waterfront.
The whole operation is moving forward with bigger things on the horizon.
Goodday all...safe flying.
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"Having witnessed first hand the type of maintanence programme that the huey guys are following i would put my whole family on a flight without second thought."
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That is believable, it coincides with a double digit IQ. You also can glean from the 23 pages in here that the aircraft mentioned have no history as to the major components.
Lets see if we can translate that in little understandable words...
I guess its sort of like your children applying for a Passport with no Birth Certificate....
Like "The King wears no clothes" Is the Blade Brand new or has it been used......depends on who you ask or how much they have invested.
You can maintain those things till the cows come home, it wont change the bottom line.
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That is believable, it coincides with a double digit IQ. You also can glean from the 23 pages in here that the aircraft mentioned have no history as to the major components.
Lets see if we can translate that in little understandable words...
I guess its sort of like your children applying for a Passport with no Birth Certificate....
Like "The King wears no clothes" Is the Blade Brand new or has it been used......depends on who you ask or how much they have invested.
You can maintain those things till the cows come home, it wont change the bottom line.
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Bert, people are getting tired of your constant whining and sh_t. We all know that you are the Huey expert who knows everything about everything....even though you sit behind a pc in Vegas....
Have another bottle of "Jack" man.
Sorry Mr Moderator, had to get that off my chest.
Have another bottle of "Jack" man.
Sorry Mr Moderator, had to get that off my chest.
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"people are getting tired of your constant whining and sh_t."
People is a collective term.....Anyone in particular??
Not whining about a thing. You or some of your cronnies started this mess and decided to get in my face. So Im here till the thread dies........live with it.
It was your ignorance of aviation matters that got the well deserved comment...
We are talking about the Cape Aircraft I assume and not the latest SWFA 204........There is a difference.
........By the way It was Caribbean three weeks ago, Alaska last week, and back to Vegas. Helicopter flying is great working for companies that do things correctly....Got to get back to the Cape for some great Calamari..see ya in a couple months...
You take things to personal.. but I guess if your not part of the solution, you must be part of the problem.......
People is a collective term.....Anyone in particular??
Not whining about a thing. You or some of your cronnies started this mess and decided to get in my face. So Im here till the thread dies........live with it.
It was your ignorance of aviation matters that got the well deserved comment...
We are talking about the Cape Aircraft I assume and not the latest SWFA 204........There is a difference.
........By the way It was Caribbean three weeks ago, Alaska last week, and back to Vegas. Helicopter flying is great working for companies that do things correctly....Got to get back to the Cape for some great Calamari..see ya in a couple months...
You take things to personal.. but I guess if your not part of the solution, you must be part of the problem.......
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Hey Bert,
Thanks for keeping the base line in place, it is amazing how defensive people can get when their backyard maintenance and scrapyard parts mentality gets exposed. I hear a rumour that the "new" CVC is nearly ready, all but the data plate have been moved to another peice of "low time" ex Rhodesian scrap that was painted shiny " Vietnam original tourist green". Also, the "old "CVC shook itself to peices in 400 hrs and the "new scrap" will also shake itself to bits in about the same time because the same scrap parts and backyard mechanics will be keeping up the "standards". Just hope the Pratleys putty in the blades has had time to cure. Dont forget, still no Operating licence, still no AOC, still no insurance, still Private pilots, still no qualified maitenance persons, still have not paid the rent for 2 years, still the same thick skins.
Cheers, and thanks for the website in the UK where we can see how the real people do it the real way in the real world.
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Sorry Mr Moderator, had to get the facts off my chest.
Thanks for keeping the base line in place, it is amazing how defensive people can get when their backyard maintenance and scrapyard parts mentality gets exposed. I hear a rumour that the "new" CVC is nearly ready, all but the data plate have been moved to another peice of "low time" ex Rhodesian scrap that was painted shiny " Vietnam original tourist green". Also, the "old "CVC shook itself to peices in 400 hrs and the "new scrap" will also shake itself to bits in about the same time because the same scrap parts and backyard mechanics will be keeping up the "standards". Just hope the Pratleys putty in the blades has had time to cure. Dont forget, still no Operating licence, still no AOC, still no insurance, still Private pilots, still no qualified maitenance persons, still have not paid the rent for 2 years, still the same thick skins.
Cheers, and thanks for the website in the UK where we can see how the real people do it the real way in the real world.
Tusker
Sorry Mr Moderator, had to get the facts off my chest.