The Huey in Capetown (including Huey down)
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Nice posting Marc. Well done! I'm really glad to see that since you've "been sitting on the sideline", you have mellowed and have accepted the success of the Huey, as if I remember correctly, you were one of the fierce critics of the Huey initially, labelling it as an "accident waiting to happen" etc. Amazing is'nt it, what a change of environment does. No poisening from the V&A Operators no more. Good one!
Safe flying comes from sound training and the right attitude. Now the question I want to post is; Why has the Huey during its two years of operation not killed anyone? Was it due to sound training of the crew and their professional attitude in dealing with the "millions of failures and mishaps", or was it simply good luck? What has kept it going and kept it a premier draw card to the Waterfront? I would love to know the answer.
Furthermore, TWOMEMBER goes on to slate everything he can think of, from Gary's "corruptive business dealings" to everything bad he can think of regarding the Huey. Logs, bogus parts, poorly qualified personnel, etc. If one has to believe this joker, then one must accept that the Huey should never have flown, and that Gary should long ago have been behind bars. So how does one distinguish here between what is really right and wrong? If TWOMEMBER is an "innocent spectator", why is he trying to act like a professional.... pilot, engineer, lawyer, inspector, policeman et al? I mean, this joker should be a highly paid "master of all". He's even quoting Manufacturers data on Grips & TT straps. Man! This Einstein is good!
My Huey membership number is below 100 and I'm a life long member, so I was one of the first bunch to join, and I can assure you, as an enthusiast, I was very much part of the original scene, and up to now I have always fiercely defended the Huey operation because I believe in it. I know that the CAA inspected the machine initially, and was satisfied enough to issue it with a C of A. Maybe its true that the CAA did not handle the Huey issue correctly from the beginning, but in spite of all of that, for 18 months they had NO objection to the flying of the Huey, by whom it was flown, by whom it was maintained, and what kind of work it did. They were so happy with the Huey that on 23 July 2003, they even issued it with A Commercial C of A, hand delivered by the CAA official to the Huey's offices! So where did the sudden change come from? From poison parties like Elvis, who in one day made in excess of 50 calls to the CAA to complain about the Huey. His helicopter business was going broke due to the success of the Huey, and he had to do something to stop it. So he got the likes of Rotorhead and TWOMEMBER to start the malicious rumours about the Huey, with which they have actually had NO success with. The result? Elvis had to sell his Taxi Business to finance his Court battles and to keep his helicopter business in the Waterfront afloat.
The Huey people, on the other hand, believed in what they were doing was legitimate, went to the Supreme Court, and won. Three times! This in spite the numerous fabrications by Elvis and his cronies.
Maybe you're right about Dave Mouton. Maybe he did inspect the helicopter's documents, and yes, maybe he did find them to be in order. Surely, if he found them to be in order, then they MUST HAVE BEEN IN ORDER huh? Maybe Dave can tell us enthusiast a bit more as to what actually happened and what was the cause of the "forced landing"? Then we can hear it from the horse's mouth.
All machinery has a chance of failing, and surely the Huey should be no exception. I mean, the thing works mechanically and anything mechanical are prone to failures, especially when you least expect it. So is the huge hoo haa about the Huey's alledged engine failure really justified? In actual fact, are all the hoo haa about the Huey really justified, or must one accept that there will always be jealous critics out there ready to fabricate some sort of "fairytale"?
It will be a real shame if the Huey should leave the Cape Town skies under this cloud, and I hope that Gary will sort out this mess, and get the Huey up and running again.
Lets see!
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Not being sensitive at all. What I mentioned to others was the same as I posted a couple days ago. Nothing has changed if you compare notes. The only difference being is that I didnt post it on the open forum until Kennel Keeper let the dogs out.. I also spoke to Francois in depth about it..
You just dont get it, I spent 21 years flying those things. I lived in them ,slept in them and lost many friends in them. They are a part of my life. My love for Hueys is the one reason I get a bit vocal on the matter. I am not used to seeing things in this fashion. Dont blame it on Africa either.
Something I forgot to mention in regards to sling work was that the Huey was probably never used for precision work in the Military. Our slinging was usually re-supply. Nets full of food, fuel, etc. on short 25-50 lines. The only time I ever did 300' lines was in tall trees in the mountains and with good communication.
The B205 which is almost the same machine is used extensively in the civilian world and for precision work. As a rule it is set up for Vert/Ref by using a bubble window on the left side with TQ/TGT/N1 guages so that the pilot does not have to move his head while working.
Albeit the Huey and the 205 are the same airframe, they have differences. Dave Mouton is well versed in the 205 and can explain if necessary.
On another item; in the states to do any maintenance....let me say that again, TO DO ANY MAINTENANCE, one is required to have in his possession a valid (A/P) Airframe/Powerplant License or to sign off work a Valid (A/I) Airframe Inspectors License. Yes you can work in a Factory or for a Manufacturer or in a Licensed Repair Station without that. You are working under their agreement with the FAA. If you are not meeting that criteria, I dont care how long your resume is at the College of Underwater Basketweaving; You dont have a License, its illegal.
I also get the feeling that the emotions here from some are due to the fact that they are "Huey Enthusiasts" and not qualified Helicopter Pilots or Mechanics as we call them. It seems to be a determining factor as to which side of the fence they are perching.That alone explains a lot of the mud slinging.
Not being sensitive at all. What I mentioned to others was the same as I posted a couple days ago. Nothing has changed if you compare notes. The only difference being is that I didnt post it on the open forum until Kennel Keeper let the dogs out.. I also spoke to Francois in depth about it..
You just dont get it, I spent 21 years flying those things. I lived in them ,slept in them and lost many friends in them. They are a part of my life. My love for Hueys is the one reason I get a bit vocal on the matter. I am not used to seeing things in this fashion. Dont blame it on Africa either.
Something I forgot to mention in regards to sling work was that the Huey was probably never used for precision work in the Military. Our slinging was usually re-supply. Nets full of food, fuel, etc. on short 25-50 lines. The only time I ever did 300' lines was in tall trees in the mountains and with good communication.
The B205 which is almost the same machine is used extensively in the civilian world and for precision work. As a rule it is set up for Vert/Ref by using a bubble window on the left side with TQ/TGT/N1 guages so that the pilot does not have to move his head while working.
Albeit the Huey and the 205 are the same airframe, they have differences. Dave Mouton is well versed in the 205 and can explain if necessary.
On another item; in the states to do any maintenance....let me say that again, TO DO ANY MAINTENANCE, one is required to have in his possession a valid (A/P) Airframe/Powerplant License or to sign off work a Valid (A/I) Airframe Inspectors License. Yes you can work in a Factory or for a Manufacturer or in a Licensed Repair Station without that. You are working under their agreement with the FAA. If you are not meeting that criteria, I dont care how long your resume is at the College of Underwater Basketweaving; You dont have a License, its illegal.
I also get the feeling that the emotions here from some are due to the fact that they are "Huey Enthusiasts" and not qualified Helicopter Pilots or Mechanics as we call them. It seems to be a determining factor as to which side of the fence they are perching.That alone explains a lot of the mud slinging.
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As an old member of a rumour site you should read between the lines. The question is not whether SACAA will decide, it is whether they could do so objectively.
As an old member of a rumour site you should read between the lines. The question is not whether SACAA will decide, it is whether they could do so objectively.
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I heard a rumour today that Bert NEVER flew in Vietnam
and that he was a Law Enforcement pilot flying Jetrangers for the Sacramento Police. I was always under the impression Bert was a seasoned Vietnam Vet.By the way Eddie, nice of you to come out in the open with your stuff. As you are the primary engineer on the Huey, what caused Saturday's failure? Was it really just a compressor stall, or was it total turbine/compressor failure? I am lead to believe it was the latter, but there are so many stories doing the rounds, one does not know what to believe. Have you got the courage to tell us the truth?
According to the newspapers it was a training flight to practise precautionary landings. Now that SURELY is not true, as why did the CAA come down. Tell us Eddie!
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Carnivore.
You certainly have a bug up your rear. I never claimed to anyone about any combat flying in Vietnam. Who came up with this crap, get some names out here. I did fly in the Army. My service in SE Asia was on the Ground as a Marine. I joined the Army later on and started flying in 1970. and Yes I flew for Law Enforcement . I retired as a Detective/Pilot in the Narcotics Division from the Sacramento Police Department in California and also as a Captain from the U.S. Army Reserve. Do I need to lay out a Biography so you can get a thrill or two??
I certainly dont know why I am so important to you. The issue or thread is regarding the Huey. Where do you get these impressions, certainly not from anything I said.
So to quell any rumors is there anything else that you think may get a rise from me. Anyone else want to wiggle your lips....Im very open about any questions and would be pleased to start another thread.
Give it a rest.... go grab a couple Castles and relax, I dont think Im your enemy....
And who are you by the way??
Also since your asking Eddie what happened to the scrap metal which used to serve as a T53-L13, ask him where it is?? RUMOR has it, it was stolen? Now thats Africa........
You certainly have a bug up your rear. I never claimed to anyone about any combat flying in Vietnam. Who came up with this crap, get some names out here. I did fly in the Army. My service in SE Asia was on the Ground as a Marine. I joined the Army later on and started flying in 1970. and Yes I flew for Law Enforcement . I retired as a Detective/Pilot in the Narcotics Division from the Sacramento Police Department in California and also as a Captain from the U.S. Army Reserve. Do I need to lay out a Biography so you can get a thrill or two??
I certainly dont know why I am so important to you. The issue or thread is regarding the Huey. Where do you get these impressions, certainly not from anything I said.
So to quell any rumors is there anything else that you think may get a rise from me. Anyone else want to wiggle your lips....Im very open about any questions and would be pleased to start another thread.
Give it a rest.... go grab a couple Castles and relax, I dont think Im your enemy....
And who are you by the way??
Also since your asking Eddie what happened to the scrap metal which used to serve as a T53-L13, ask him where it is?? RUMOR has it, it was stolen? Now thats Africa........
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Not to throw a cat in amongst the "pigeon poop", but has anyone else noticed that the pieces written by "clipboard", "bladestrap", "carivoruslegallus" and "francois marais" all have the same spelling, grammar and context errors.
I might be off in a big way, but could it be that the same person, author or split personality is responsible for alot of the stirrings on this string of the forum.
Go figure it huh.
I might be off in a big way, but could it be that the same person, author or split personality is responsible for alot of the stirrings on this string of the forum.
Go figure it huh.
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Eureka!!
Daiseycutter just uncovered a whole new aspect to this saga.
It would previously have been unethical for me to divulge source identities but I can confirm that:
carnivoruslegallus
clipboard
bladestrap
are all posting from the same terminal. Now as to whether they are the same person is a matter of conjecture but it if you review this thread with the knowledge that these three personalities could all be the same person, then this book reads in a whole different light.
Daiseycutter got three out of four Francois Marais has no connection, electronically, with the other members. The style, Ill give you, is not dissimilar but Francois has always had the balls to post candidly, under his real name.
Once again, I refer you to the warning at the bottom of this page that As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions.
4HP
Daiseycutter just uncovered a whole new aspect to this saga.
It would previously have been unethical for me to divulge source identities but I can confirm that:
carnivoruslegallus
clipboard
bladestrap
are all posting from the same terminal. Now as to whether they are the same person is a matter of conjecture but it if you review this thread with the knowledge that these three personalities could all be the same person, then this book reads in a whole different light.
Daiseycutter got three out of four Francois Marais has no connection, electronically, with the other members. The style, Ill give you, is not dissimilar but Francois has always had the balls to post candidly, under his real name.
Once again, I refer you to the warning at the bottom of this page that As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions.
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Daisycutter's analysis is confirmed from our central database along with the proviso added by 4HP
The enthusiasts and huey fans who have always offered their support should think carefully before posting and spend some time considering what you'd be saying under cross examination if you were as close to the action as you wished you were - until recently.
You might also put yourself in the position of a walk up punter. What would you think you are buying into. Would you expect civilian safety standards to apply?
You might also want to read the postings of the celebrated triple handed typist once more with regard to self justification and distancing efforts.
Regards
Rob
The enthusiasts and huey fans who have always offered their support should think carefully before posting and spend some time considering what you'd be saying under cross examination if you were as close to the action as you wished you were - until recently.
You might also put yourself in the position of a walk up punter. What would you think you are buying into. Would you expect civilian safety standards to apply?
You might also want to read the postings of the celebrated triple handed typist once more with regard to self justification and distancing efforts.
Regards
Rob
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Very Interesting, So in essence I have met the person at the gatherings. Im disappointed. Based on that, It appears I was correct in that a lot of the mud is coming from "Enthusiasts" versus Pilots/Mechanics. Also based on what Eddie posted we can also consider him an "enthusiast."
Time for the next thread on "Bogus Parts". We shall make that a different thread so as not to cast a shadow on this one. Im hoping some qualified folks will add to it.
Time for the next thread on "Bogus Parts". We shall make that a different thread so as not to cast a shadow on this one. Im hoping some qualified folks will add to it.
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IP address
How interresting it would be if the IP address those three names used is the same as the IP address of a govermental organisation in South Africa.
Will somebody be so kind as to give us that IP address?
Or at least will those three/one tell us who they are?
Will somebody be so kind as to give us that IP address?
Or at least will those three/one tell us who they are?
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4HP, so how many people post from the same terminal? In SA there are about 5 big providers. So everytime someone signs up, and happens to use an internet café that use one provider, those persons are labelled as the same? Is that right?
Just asking!
Just asking!
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No mate,
An IP address is quite particular to a machine.
So if Elvis and his dad and small boetie uses the same machine - the same IP adress will appear
It was fun anyway
Cheers,
Gunnzzzz
An IP address is quite particular to a machine.
So if Elvis and his dad and small boetie uses the same machine - the same IP adress will appear
It was fun anyway
Cheers,
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Incorrect Dave but we will not be lured into further spoiling guessing games at whose agenda is being furthered by all this.
Regards
Rob
PS Amidst the fun and paranoia I do hope you all spend a moment considering how the months and months of this saga make all aspects of SA aviation look to an international audience.
Regards
Rob
PS Amidst the fun and paranoia I do hope you all spend a moment considering how the months and months of this saga make all aspects of SA aviation look to an international audience.
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PS Amidst the fun and paranoia I do hope you all spend a moment considering how the months and months of this saga make all aspects of SA aviation look to an international audience.
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Sorry SRT ... it felt so close to home and I was nearly at the stadium.
PS: We will redeem ouselves on Saturday vs the Scots though.
PS: Back to the topic.
Long live the Huey ... I will have to blow up the wonderful moment in the great machine with Foxtrot Mike (uhmm that is the digital pictures boys)
PS: We will redeem ouselves on Saturday vs the Scots though.
PS: Back to the topic.
Long live the Huey ... I will have to blow up the wonderful moment in the great machine with Foxtrot Mike (uhmm that is the digital pictures boys)