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BA pilots vote to strike

Old 24th Jul 2019, 14:11
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Out of interest, i hear it can be 3-5yrs short haul command, what would the total gross be of a skipper short haul with such seniority?

i hope we are turning a corner with balpa, strike at ba, ballot at ryr, it appears finally they are getting some balls!
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 15:39
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i hope we are turning a corner with balpa, strike at ba, ballot at ryr, it appears finally they are getting some balls!
This perception of Balpa as some over-arching entity that decides the fate of all is a similar misnomer to pilots thinking they need public backing to carry out a strike.

Balpa is just an association you can join. It’s the members that dictate where the association goes.

Blaming Balpa “the association” for anything is a bit like blaming the autopilot for flying into a hill. Ultimately, maintaining the sustainability of a flying career for all current and future airline pilots is our responsibility as a collective. Balpa is just a vehicle.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 19:12
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Originally Posted by Twiglet1 View Post
Can someone tell me the last time Aircrew went on strike in the UK?
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 02:45
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Dannyboy39 stated “But if it’s just a numbers game an 11.5% pay bump... that’s hard to comprehend. See the staff of Monarch, Air Berlin, Primera, Wow and other airlines struggling...”, well I’m one of those ex Monarch pilots who fully supports the BA pilots in their claim, having in the not to distant past, looked at what the opportunities were in BA and concluded the package was inadequate and went elsewhere. From what I see the offer basically keeps pace with inflation plus perhaps a little bit, but does not address previous shortfalls.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 08:08
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Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder View Post


This perception of Balpa as some over-arching entity that decides the fate of all is a similar misnomer to pilots thinking they need public backing to carry out a strike.

Balpa is just an association you can join. It’s the members that dictate where the association goes.

Blaming Balpa “the association” for anything is a bit like blaming the autopilot for flying into a hill. Ultimately, maintaining the sustainability of a flying career for all current and future airline pilots is our responsibility as a collective. Balpa is just a vehicle.
I don't remember any of the association crying out for JSS, it was BALPA CC that made (or accepted) the decision to bundle it in with a pay rise to get it passed. Personally I don't think it would ever have passed a clean vote of association members so the CC had to hide it in a bundle, pure politics.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 13:21
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BA loses court bid to avert pilot strikes

  • 24 July, 2019
  • SOURCE: Flight Dashboard
  • BY: Victoria Bryan
UK pilot union BALPA is giving British Airways "one last chance" to negotiate on pay and benefits after the carrier lost a High Court bid to prevent strike action.

Pilots on 22 July voted to strike over pay. The next day, a High Court judge ruled that the ballot had been issued correctly and that the result could therefore stand.

BA says it will appeal the judgement, but is also urging the union to return to talks.

"We are very disappointed with today's decision," stated the IAG-owned carrier on 23 July. "We will continue to pursue every avenue to protect the holidays of thousands of our customers this summer."

BALPA describes the delay caused by the court action as frustrating.

"BA could have spent this time coming back to the negotiating table instead of trying – and failing – to tie us up in legal knots," states general secretary Brian Strutton.

"We have still not set any strike dates to give BA one last chance to commit to negotiating on pilots pay and rewards with us at Acas later this week," he adds.

Strutton says the two sides are due to hold talks under conciliation service Acas on 26 July, but fears they may be postponed due to BA's legal appeal.

BA argues that its offer of an 11.5% increase over three years is "fair". BALPA warns that one day of strikes would cost BA more than what their pilots are asking for.

"The company itself has admitted that even one day of strike action would cost most than what our pilots are asking for, so the ball really is in their court here, to look after their pilots and ensure the hardworking public get to continue their holidays as planned," Strutton declares.
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Old 26th Jul 2019, 19:14
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Old 26th Jul 2019, 22:18
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I don't remember any of the association crying out for JSS, it was BALPA CC that made (or accepted) the decision to bundle it in with a pay rise to get it passed. Personally I don't think it would ever have passed a clean vote of association members so the CC had to hide it in a bundle, pure politics.
I agree that it should never have been part of a pay deal, but it was, and it was put to a vote. Guess what, we voted for it. I feel (with hindsight) it was mis-sold to us but I also feel Balpa reps do what they think is best for the majority and for the long term interests of all BA pilots. And I’m sure they would love the benefit of hindsight but we need someone to make decisions on our behalf. Sometimes they get it right sometimes they don’t. At the end of the day, we get a vote.

I just find it ironic when people talk about “Balpa” as some foreign body who control the direction of the entire group. Balpa is the pilots who choose to join the association. Within each airline group we either act with unity and collective awareness or we look out for ourselves. As a result, we will reap what we sow. I think it really is as simple as that.

Its amazing what can be achieved by working together...
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 07:49
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Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder View Post


I agree that it should never have been part of a pay deal, but it was, and it was put to a vote. Guess what, we voted for it.
It shouldn't have been part of the pay deal, but the CC knew that would help it get passed so they put it in. And now thanks to BALPA we have JSS, the sad thing is, the people who forced it through don't have to suffer the consequences of their machinations as most of them still enjoy the benefits of a BALPA roster, apparently rejoining the line flying community is beneath them.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 08:00
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Good luck from across the pond

Public opinion doesn’t pay the bills, and the public at large has a short memory.

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Old 27th Jul 2019, 09:50
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Good luck from the rest of the industry. The people who make comparisons with NHS staff who "haven't had a pay rise for years" should focus on the NHS staff not having had a pay rise for years, rather than the employees of a company making shed loads of money. They NHS's empty coffers and inefficiencies shouldn't be a benchmark for private sector terms and pay.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 09:56
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Go BA Go!!

Dear All
From an IFALPA member via NF ( Norsk FlygerForbund) Norwegian Pilot Assosiation.
Time to set things right, just like SAS did this spring.
We need You as a proud Flag Carrier to lead the way in recovering our pay and terms in Europe.
Go Go Go, err rather Park Brake set : Shutdown Checklist : Complete!

Until Management are ready with a proper and good proposal.
Timing is right, as I think the average PAX is thoroughly hooked on the Drug we push, namely absurdly cheap flight with great flexibility.
United we stand!
Regards
Cpt B

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Old 27th Jul 2019, 10:42
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A quick question for the BA Brethren.

I understand that those who intend to take part in industrial action are being requested to inform the company in advance and will temporarily lose their staff travel benefits. I am assuming this is until the end of the planned industrial action?

Given the number of you that commute by air to London, do you think there could be a sizeable number of commuters that voted for industrial action but quietly plan to continue working normally so that their staff travel remains unaffected?
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 12:43
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds View Post

I understand that those who intend to take part in industrial action are being requested to inform the company in advance and will temporarily lose their staff travel benefits. I am assuming this is until the end of the planned industrial action?

Given the number of you that commute by air to London, do you think there could be a sizeable number of commuters that voted for industrial action but quietly plan to continue working normally so that their staff travel remains unaffected?
1. You understand wrong
2. No
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 13:11
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Didn't the cabin crew lose their staff travel for a year following the strikes? I was told its three months for the pilots
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 13:12
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds View Post
Given the number of you that commute by air to London, do you think there could be a sizeable number of commuters that voted for industrial action but quietly plan to continue working normally so that their staff travel remains unaffected?
Another "no" from me. ... FWIW most experienced "flying commuters" have learnt they need to have options to get/to from London that don't involve staff travel and quite possibly don't involve BA at all.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 13:16
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Another "no" from me. ... FWIW most experienced "flying commuters" have learnt they need to have options to get/to from London that don't involve staff travel and quite possibly don't involve BA at all.
ah yes, during a discussion with their manager after being late on a firm ticket a member of cabin crew told “well you can’t rely on BA to get you to work on time”

i believe her her response was (paraphrased) well someone should really tell our passengers that.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 13:18
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Originally Posted by TheAirMission View Post
Didn't the cabin crew lose their staff travel for a year following the strikes? I was told its three months for the pilots
Not sure where the three months comes from..(and regarding Emma’s post AFAIK there has been no formal communication from the company to individuals either asking if they intend to take part in IA or detailing potential impact on staff travel)

As for the Cabin crew and previous disputes: the threat of losing staff travel was made, it didn't stop many "commuters" in that community engaging in IA.

TBH it was funny looking how many of them post strike ended up as card holders and enjoyed all that went with it.....as I said, there are options other than BA staff travel if people need to get to/from work.

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Old 27th Jul 2019, 15:49
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I think ST is the last resort nowadays for many commuters, especially as Big Brother is watching your commuting and duty times. I gather more than a few commuters are using Easy and Ryanair so BA management can’t track you. A farcical state of affairs that means crew are arriving to work more tired than if they’d caught a BA flight and got a comfy seat.
What with the strong likelihood of a hard Brexit, that nobody voted for, it does seem to be the British way to persevere with a plan of action that has a worse outcome than the status quo.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 17:40
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Originally Posted by hunterboy View Post
I think ST is the last resort nowadays for many commuters, especially as Big Brother is watching your commuting and duty times. I gather more than a few commuters are using Easy and Ryanair so BA management can’t track you. A farcical state of affairs that means crew are arriving to work more tired than if they’d caught a BA flight and got a comfy seat.
What with the strong likelihood of a hard Brexit, that nobody voted for, it does seem to be the British way to persevere with a plan of action that has a worse outcome than the status quo.
My old DFO always said to commuters "only do what I can roster" - strangely enough BALPA never really argued that point.
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