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Old 30th May 2017, 20:13
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The nickname "Ebenezer Cruz" is doing the rounds now.
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Old 30th May 2017, 23:34
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The share price is still the highest it has been for years 'thanks' to that man.
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Old 31st May 2017, 06:53
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It may well be at the moment and that might keep some in jobs and enable bonus payments for some for a year or two. OTOH regardless of the current balance sheet/share price the reputational damage has been done.....and that's probably of more concern for stakeholders and potential stakeholders.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 02:22
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Hi all,

I have a question, do you know if it is mandatory to have an Easa UK Caa issued licence in order ot join BA or is it enough to have an EASA licence?
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 06:22
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You need a UK licence before joining. So once they make you an offer (if they do) you begin the process during your noticed period.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 17:36
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So what are we thinking now?
Do we think that new pilots will be needed after all this IT stuff.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:04
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Not sure there is anyone in the world who could answer that question right now. Including the recruitment team.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 21:15
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My money would be on no recruitment for the forseeable future...
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 21:58
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BA under Cruz have taken the decision to cut as much cost as they can - Buy On Board, outsourcing of IT, and probably more that we on the outside aren't party to. (Minimising) Cost is King, and any department head that can cut their area's bottom line will be encouraged to do so. Strategically the growth of Norwegian and other Lo-Cos seem to have thoroughly spooked them, and it seems they are trying to compete on cost - whether that's the right way of doing things I've no idea. I've got my opinion, but I'll save that for the spotters forums.

What does this mean for aircrew? I've been saying it for a while, sweating the assets. No more recruitment until BA are on the verge of a schedule collapse, or outsource some routes at a lower "cost" via a bit of creative accounting. Those currently employed will be asked to work longer, for less, and probably a raid on Ts & Cs also. It wouldn't surprise me if an Irish Subsidiary gets set up too, like SAS are planning.

But, I've been called out for being too negative before.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 07:11
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BA have got a pilot surplus. Not a big one, but certainly on SH Airbus they've over-cooked recruitment. Some say they did this because late 2017 was the provisional delivery date for the the A350. But someone with a beard and a tabard cancelled that plan at what seems, very short notice. So BA have now got too many A320 pilots at LHR. So they're allowing some to leave during engagement freezes (first 5 years) as FPP's arrive.
Hence the slowdown.

Watching the vultures on the carcass here, I'd like to add : we're good. Find us a new CEO and we are better. But your armchair hypotheses are to be honest, a load of b......
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 07:21
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Originally Posted by Right Engine View Post
Watching the vultures on the carcass here, I'd like to add : we're good. Find us a new CEO and we are better. But your armchair hypotheses are to be honest, a load of b......
Seconded. The IAG group just made 1.5 Billion in profit of which the vast majority (as usual) was down to the airline that some are saying here is in dire straits. IAG would be monumentally stupid to significantly mutilate their cash cow. Things definitely need to change as regard cost cutting above all else but I would hope some form of salutary lesson has been learned in the last week or so. Alex Cruz has been left in absolutely no doubt as to the depth of feeling on the shop floor recently on Yammer (which he so likes to use) with some people directly calling for his resignation. There is one particular post from a 777 Captain - that I wholeheartedly agreed with - which was scathing in the extreme. He (Cruz) may not have responded to it but he can't fail to have taken notice. This is hopefully the moment of the Company's nadir. It simply has to be.

As regards to the future, well we're talking momentary blips here in terms of pilot numbers. The overall trend is for people needed, regardless of a big compensation bill in the short term. For starters there's an 18 month waitlist for Right to Request Part Time, plus a potentially big take up of the new Aspirational options. Further on 2019/2020 sees a "big" bulge of retirements (in whichever context you take big to mean I don't know but this came from the pilot training manager). More new Long Haul aircraft arriving from next year as more Short Haul slots continually get converted to Long Haul. It will be moving in the right direction again. This year was always going to be comparatively slow, I don't know how many more times that needs to be emphasised. Perhaps not as slow as it has turned out to be once Cruz renegotiated the A350 deliveries (as stated above) and chopped the SH flying programme but 2017 was never the big recruitment year.

The future need in the light of recent events perhaps may not be as full on as 2015/2016 but there's still people needed, make no mistake. Although the accountants and management may not like it, you still need pilots to run an airline (for now).

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Old 4th Jun 2017, 10:31
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Interesting to see the optimists v pessimists here.
Somewhat understandable when one is trying to get a foot on any ladder.
Problem is BA is trying to be Premium and Loco at the same time.
Crazy strategy. All it has done is destroy the Premium brand.
The day I was offered a "bacon buttie" for breakfast having paid over 3000 stg
for a one way Business ticket PHX-LHR was the day it became clear there is no direction.
No surprise the ME carriers are destroying the legacy airlines
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 11:04
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It's a shame really , BA to me was always the aspiration, the place you really wanted to be for security and a career.
But now guys and gals prefer there lifestyle at locos , watching BA slowly crumble under its confusion of what it wants to become.
Mr Cruz should never have made so many cuts !
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 16:23
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Give the BA bashing a break it's all very boring. It still remains one of the best airlines to fly for in the U.K. And it's terms and conditions (although worse than used to be) are still the best.

Every time they recruit floods of people come from Easy and Ryan very few people are going in the other direction!

No the quality of product is not as high as the ME carriers but they have always had money thrown at them so it's not a fair comparison Emirates profits have nose dived Ethihads investments have all failed loosing them billions and Qatar are just plain mental whereas BA/IAG make money and lots of it so all this talk of crisis is rubbish. I believe they will be around for a long time to come and terms and conditions won't get any worse any one that says otherwise is scaremongering.

P.S I have worked for these mithical ME Airlines and wild horses would not drag me back.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 15:04
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Get rejected did you?
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 15:12
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Button pushed ignored.

What a load of

Why so anti BA did they find you out and not employ you??
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 08:16
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Originally Posted by Enzo999 View Post
And it's terms and conditions (although worse than used to be) are still the best.
I think there are plenty of people in other UK airlines that would disagree with you. Myself included. Actually, if the majority of BA staff were to remove that stick from their rectum and drop the 'my job is more important than your job' persona, they may get more respect from the rest of the airline community.
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 08:49
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I might not agree with some of the language used above but it's not an entirely unreasonable sentiment.

We have no idea what the result for employees will be for last week events....but the bonus schemes have been historically p poor compared with most of the completion, even after a good year...so next year.........

As far as flight crew are concerned there seem to be some issues surfacing with the replacement to Bidline that some think may well effect roster quality and quality of life.

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Old 6th Jun 2017, 09:00
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
I think there are plenty of people in other UK airlines that would disagree with you. Myself included. Actually, if the majority of BA staff were to remove that stick from their rectum and drop the 'my job is more important than your job' persona, they may get more respect from the rest of the airline community.
I think that's a very unfair comment and says more about your own "issues" than those of most BA staff. I have been flying for 13 years now and in that time I have flown for several other UK companies along with BA for the past year. I am in no way a Cheerleader of BA and will be the first to point out its failings I also don't see BA as "Better" than anyone else or look down my nose at other Airlines. I also see there are many benefits to working for a LCC or Charter but in my experience terms and conditions are not one of them. As said I have worked for several U.K. Companies and have applied for most of the others so have a very good understanding of what's on offer else where and In my experience this is as good as it gets. PPJN will tell the story in my first year I will make early/Mid 70s in salary, a pension contribution of 13%, 6 weeks off spaced equally, PHI, LOL, world wide staff travel, free type rating That's far better than the Zero hour contract I would get at Easy or Ryan, the 10/13th salary at Monarch plus these guys all charge 30k for ratings.

On another note before coming here I proscribed to a similar feeling about BA pilots but having worked here it's totally unjustified, on the whole they are amoughst the best guys and girls I have flown with.

Maybe it's not the BA guys that need to pull that sick out.
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 10:20
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Just for info Monarch is now full time again , but the hours you fly are probably equivalent to part year ( with full year pay MADNESS) about 750ish
Anyway I believe the choice at BA is fantastic!! You can make the job fit around you (with seniority) which you just can't do at other airlines
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