BA Direct Entry Pilot.
Joined: Aug 2010
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From: London
Give the BA bashing a break it's all very boring. It still remains one of the best airlines to fly for in the U.K. And it's terms and conditions (although worse than used to be) are still the best.
Every time they recruit floods of people come from Easy and Ryan very few people are going in the other direction!
No the quality of product is not as high as the ME carriers but they have always had money thrown at them so it's not a fair comparison Emirates profits have nose dived Ethihads investments have all failed loosing them billions and Qatar are just plain mental whereas BA/IAG make money and lots of it so all this talk of crisis is rubbish. I believe they will be around for a long time to come and terms and conditions won't get any worse any one that says otherwise is scaremongering.
P.S I have worked for these mithical ME Airlines and wild horses would not drag me back.
Every time they recruit floods of people come from Easy and Ryan very few people are going in the other direction!
No the quality of product is not as high as the ME carriers but they have always had money thrown at them so it's not a fair comparison Emirates profits have nose dived Ethihads investments have all failed loosing them billions and Qatar are just plain mental whereas BA/IAG make money and lots of it so all this talk of crisis is rubbish. I believe they will be around for a long time to come and terms and conditions won't get any worse any one that says otherwise is scaremongering.
P.S I have worked for these mithical ME Airlines and wild horses would not drag me back.
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 565
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From: N/A
Here is the way I see the future for a new pilot at BA.
Your plane records everything.
The company knows everything about the way you operate it.
They will use everything you do to determine your usefulness to them.
Then based on your performance, six month zero hour contracts will be issued on an 'as needs' basis.
No training costs.
No vacations.
No sick leave.
No benefits.
Too high fuel burns.
Too few single engine taxis.
Too many late check in's.
Too hard a landing.
And your services will no longer be required.
Now you thought you'd escape the carnage over at Ryan, buy joining BA.
You didn't actually buy off on that 'world's favorite airline' thing did you?
Chaps, it's only just begun.
Is it true that Level first officers will make E2500 a month?
There's you new BA pay scale.
Still want the job?
Start a back up plan.
Your plane records everything.
The company knows everything about the way you operate it.
They will use everything you do to determine your usefulness to them.
Then based on your performance, six month zero hour contracts will be issued on an 'as needs' basis.
No training costs.
No vacations.
No sick leave.
No benefits.
Too high fuel burns.
Too few single engine taxis.
Too many late check in's.
Too hard a landing.
And your services will no longer be required.
Now you thought you'd escape the carnage over at Ryan, buy joining BA.
You didn't actually buy off on that 'world's favorite airline' thing did you?
Chaps, it's only just begun.
Is it true that Level first officers will make E2500 a month?
There's you new BA pay scale.
Still want the job?
Start a back up plan.
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 659
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From: The EU
I think there are plenty of people in other UK airlines that would disagree with you. Myself included. Actually, if the majority of BA staff were to remove that stick from their rectum and drop the 'my job is more important than your job' persona, they may get more respect from the rest of the airline community.
Joined: Feb 2001
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From: The Winchester
I might not agree with some of the language used above but it's not an entirely unreasonable sentiment.
We have no idea what the result for employees will be for last week events....but the bonus schemes have been historically p poor compared with most of the completion, even after a good year...so next year.........
As far as flight crew are concerned there seem to be some issues surfacing with the replacement to Bidline that some think may well effect roster quality and quality of life.
We have no idea what the result for employees will be for last week events....but the bonus schemes have been historically p poor compared with most of the completion, even after a good year...so next year.........
As far as flight crew are concerned there seem to be some issues surfacing with the replacement to Bidline that some think may well effect roster quality and quality of life.
Last edited by wiggy; 6th June 2017 at 10:17.
Joined: Aug 2010
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From: London
I think there are plenty of people in other UK airlines that would disagree with you. Myself included. Actually, if the majority of BA staff were to remove that stick from their rectum and drop the 'my job is more important than your job' persona, they may get more respect from the rest of the airline community.
On another note before coming here I proscribed to a similar feeling about BA pilots but having worked here it's totally unjustified, on the whole they are amoughst the best guys and girls I have flown with.
Maybe it's not the BA guys that need to pull that sick out.
Joined: Mar 2017
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From: London
Just for info Monarch is now full time again , but the hours you fly are probably equivalent to part year ( with full year pay MADNESS) about 750ish
Anyway I believe the choice at BA is fantastic!! You can make the job fit around you (with seniority) which you just can't do at other airlines
Anyway I believe the choice at BA is fantastic!! You can make the job fit around you (with seniority) which you just can't do at other airlines
Joined: May 2009
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From: somewhere in the middle
There's a reason that there's a number of us stressing (to a greater or lesser extent) about when / if we'll get yanked out of the hold pool, and I would suggest that ego is a long way down the list.
Pay, Lifestyle and Career Progression are my number 1,2 and 3 reasons for wanting this. Not necessarily in that order.
Pay, Lifestyle and Career Progression are my number 1,2 and 3 reasons for wanting this. Not necessarily in that order.
Joined: Mar 2017
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From: London
I must admit that even if we aren't taken out of the pool straight away I would be astounded if they didn't keep us swimming.
That really is chucking money down the toilet. I know they have done that in the past but surely if there is an easy way to save cost then that would be it!
That really is chucking money down the toilet. I know they have done that in the past but surely if there is an easy way to save cost then that would be it!
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 995
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From: Botswana
Wiggy surely it can't be coming as a surprise to people that there will be less roster control under JSS. Regardless of how its been sold, JSS is just a preferencing system, no more, no less. As you're not going to be able to see the lines in advance, it is my understanding that there will be close to zero control like we get now under Bidline. The other problem is that once the union agreements have taken their toll JSS will not function as it is supposed to. We'll end up with Carmen MkII where nobody is happy.
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 1,424
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From: London,England
Yep, those who voted for it after believing the union hard sell are in for a very nasty shock when they see how much control they have lost and how much the company have gained One of the best rostering systems in the world has been chucked out for a few scraps and Alex Cruz has been handed exactly what he wanted, huge mistake.
Joined: Feb 2001
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From: The Winchester
Wiggy surely it can't be coming as a surprise to people that there will be less roster control under JSS.
Joined: Sep 2002
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From: ex-DXB
Emirates profits have nose dived Ethihads investments have all failed loosing them billions and Qatar are just plain mental whereas BA/IAG make money and lots of it
This woeful profit of 2.5 Billion is still 1 Billion more than IAG's. Not bad for a single airline against IAG's many airlines.
Good luck with the applications everybody.
Joined: Aug 2010
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From: London
An 85% drop in profits is fairly dramatic no matter how you twist it. Considering they have had an airport built for them (actually 2), most of their aircraft gifted to them, no unions, unbelievable amounts of slave labour, cheap oil and no social taxes, frankly there is no excuse for this not being the most profitable airline in the world!
I agree though they produce a good product.
I agree though they produce a good product.
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 21
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From: UK
Madness
Wiggy surely it can't be coming as a surprise to people that there will be less roster control under JSS. Regardless of how its been sold, JSS is just a preferencing system, no more, no less. As you're not going to be able to see the lines in advance, it is my understanding that there will be close to zero control like we get now under Bidline. The other problem is that once the union agreements have taken their toll JSS will not function as it is supposed to. We'll end up with Carmen MkII where nobody is happy.
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 204
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From: UK
It's only the Roster production side. Current Ops processes remain as before. So roster stability still in place.