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Old 4th Jun 2017, 10:31
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Interesting to see the optimists v pessimists here.
Somewhat understandable when one is trying to get a foot on any ladder.
Problem is BA is trying to be Premium and Loco at the same time.
Crazy strategy. All it has done is destroy the Premium brand.
The day I was offered a "bacon buttie" for breakfast having paid over 3000 stg
for a one way Business ticket PHX-LHR was the day it became clear there is no direction.
No surprise the ME carriers are destroying the legacy airlines
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 11:04
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It's a shame really , BA to me was always the aspiration, the place you really wanted to be for security and a career.
But now guys and gals prefer there lifestyle at locos , watching BA slowly crumble under its confusion of what it wants to become.
Mr Cruz should never have made so many cuts !
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 16:23
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Give the BA bashing a break it's all very boring. It still remains one of the best airlines to fly for in the U.K. And it's terms and conditions (although worse than used to be) are still the best.

Every time they recruit floods of people come from Easy and Ryan very few people are going in the other direction!

No the quality of product is not as high as the ME carriers but they have always had money thrown at them so it's not a fair comparison Emirates profits have nose dived Ethihads investments have all failed loosing them billions and Qatar are just plain mental whereas BA/IAG make money and lots of it so all this talk of crisis is rubbish. I believe they will be around for a long time to come and terms and conditions won't get any worse any one that says otherwise is scaremongering.

P.S I have worked for these mithical ME Airlines and wild horses would not drag me back.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 15:04
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Get rejected did you?
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 15:12
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Button pushed ignored.

What a load of

Why so anti BA did they find you out and not employ you??
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 08:16
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Originally Posted by Enzo999 View Post
And it's terms and conditions (although worse than used to be) are still the best.
I think there are plenty of people in other UK airlines that would disagree with you. Myself included. Actually, if the majority of BA staff were to remove that stick from their rectum and drop the 'my job is more important than your job' persona, they may get more respect from the rest of the airline community.
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 08:49
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I might not agree with some of the language used above but it's not an entirely unreasonable sentiment.

We have no idea what the result for employees will be for last week events....but the bonus schemes have been historically p poor compared with most of the completion, even after a good year...so next year.........

As far as flight crew are concerned there seem to be some issues surfacing with the replacement to Bidline that some think may well effect roster quality and quality of life.

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Old 6th Jun 2017, 09:00
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
I think there are plenty of people in other UK airlines that would disagree with you. Myself included. Actually, if the majority of BA staff were to remove that stick from their rectum and drop the 'my job is more important than your job' persona, they may get more respect from the rest of the airline community.
I think that's a very unfair comment and says more about your own "issues" than those of most BA staff. I have been flying for 13 years now and in that time I have flown for several other UK companies along with BA for the past year. I am in no way a Cheerleader of BA and will be the first to point out its failings I also don't see BA as "Better" than anyone else or look down my nose at other Airlines. I also see there are many benefits to working for a LCC or Charter but in my experience terms and conditions are not one of them. As said I have worked for several U.K. Companies and have applied for most of the others so have a very good understanding of what's on offer else where and In my experience this is as good as it gets. PPJN will tell the story in my first year I will make early/Mid 70s in salary, a pension contribution of 13%, 6 weeks off spaced equally, PHI, LOL, world wide staff travel, free type rating That's far better than the Zero hour contract I would get at Easy or Ryan, the 10/13th salary at Monarch plus these guys all charge 30k for ratings.

On another note before coming here I proscribed to a similar feeling about BA pilots but having worked here it's totally unjustified, on the whole they are amoughst the best guys and girls I have flown with.

Maybe it's not the BA guys that need to pull that sick out.
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 10:20
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Just for info Monarch is now full time again , but the hours you fly are probably equivalent to part year ( with full year pay MADNESS) about 750ish
Anyway I believe the choice at BA is fantastic!! You can make the job fit around you (with seniority) which you just can't do at other airlines
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 10:34
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There's a reason that there's a number of us stressing (to a greater or lesser extent) about when / if we'll get yanked out of the hold pool, and I would suggest that ego is a long way down the list.

Pay, Lifestyle and Career Progression are my number 1,2 and 3 reasons for wanting this. Not necessarily in that order.
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 11:22
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I must admit that even if we aren't taken out of the pool straight away I would be astounded if they didn't keep us swimming.
That really is chucking money down the toilet. I know they have done that in the past but surely if there is an easy way to save cost then that would be it!
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 11:45
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Wiggy surely it can't be coming as a surprise to people that there will be less roster control under JSS. Regardless of how its been sold, JSS is just a preferencing system, no more, no less. As you're not going to be able to see the lines in advance, it is my understanding that there will be close to zero control like we get now under Bidline. The other problem is that once the union agreements have taken their toll JSS will not function as it is supposed to. We'll end up with Carmen MkII where nobody is happy.
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 23:28
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Yep, those who voted for it after believing the union hard sell are in for a very nasty shock when they see how much control they have lost and how much the company have gained One of the best rostering systems in the world has been chucked out for a few scraps and Alex Cruz has been handed exactly what he wanted, huge mistake.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 06:59
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Wiggy surely it can't be coming as a surprise to people that there will be less roster control under JSS.
Agree with you and Max, certainly it should be no surprise at all to those who have seen various "innovations" in our scheduling over the years...
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Old 8th Jun 2017, 20:07
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Emirates profits have nose dived Ethihads investments have all failed loosing them billions and Qatar are just plain mental whereas BA/IAG make money and lots of it
Correct - EK's profit nosedived from 7.7 billion last year to 2.5 Billion this year.

This woeful profit of 2.5 Billion is still 1 Billion more than IAG's. Not bad for a single airline against IAG's many airlines.

Good luck with the applications everybody.
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Old 8th Jun 2017, 20:54
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Yeah not bad when you own the friggin oil supply
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Old 8th Jun 2017, 21:52
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Craggenmore...

Having just checked those figures, I agree that EK's profit was 2.5 Billion. Just check the currency units though, does make one heck of a difference...
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Old 8th Jun 2017, 23:38
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Whoops

Dirham fail. Doh!
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 07:40
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An 85% drop in profits is fairly dramatic no matter how you twist it. Considering they have had an airport built for them (actually 2), most of their aircraft gifted to them, no unions, unbelievable amounts of slave labour, cheap oil and no social taxes, frankly there is no excuse for this not being the most profitable airline in the world!

I agree though they produce a good product.
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 16:54
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Madness

Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
Wiggy surely it can't be coming as a surprise to people that there will be less roster control under JSS. Regardless of how its been sold, JSS is just a preferencing system, no more, no less. As you're not going to be able to see the lines in advance, it is my understanding that there will be close to zero control like we get now under Bidline. The other problem is that once the union agreements have taken their toll JSS will not function as it is supposed to. We'll end up with Carmen MkII where nobody is happy.
Ditching Bidline for a preference system is stupid. I would be interested to know the rational behind any decision to do that.
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