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From: The Winchester
Just a health warning about that statement bex: about two months back it's author attended a SEP forum and told the assembled bunch of flight crew about forthcoming plans, mix of DEPs and FPPs he expected to see, and roughly when. Two weeks later the plan had all changed, and since I had paraphrased the SEP forum comments here I was left a tad red faced.
I don't doubt the author is telling it as he sees it today but whilst he is very very highly placed in the Flight Ops food chain we know commercial are well capable of springing surprises. Whilst the statement is better than an information vacuum I'd still add a note of caution until we see in print both the results of the Fleet plan and then Cassandra (internal bid process ) results.
I don't doubt the author is telling it as he sees it today but whilst he is very very highly placed in the Flight Ops food chain we know commercial are well capable of springing surprises. Whilst the statement is better than an information vacuum I'd still add a note of caution until we see in print both the results of the Fleet plan and then Cassandra (internal bid process ) results.
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From: The Winchester
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...Or on the other hand, maybe BA will; when most of the senior crystallized pension guys leave in disgust over not being able to tailor their life anymore in the way they were used to with bidline.
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From: The Winchester
Some might go but TBH I think the amount of tailoring currently available simply through "basic" bidline and picking lines at Stage one and juicy trips at Stage two is overstated, trip swapping was a better weapon. Yes the Page one pilots can almost tailor things but below that vaunted position you quickly run into compromise territory.
Anyhow I see debate has kicked off again elsewhere as to what will actually happen when JSS is introduced. Some suspect the senior guys will "suffer", others think with JSS all the carp will drop through to the junior rosters. I think we will only which way things are going to go when we see JSS and the effect of it's much anticipated inhibitors in action.
Anyhow I see debate has kicked off again elsewhere as to what will actually happen when JSS is introduced. Some suspect the senior guys will "suffer", others think with JSS all the carp will drop through to the junior rosters. I think we will only which way things are going to go when we see JSS and the effect of it's much anticipated inhibitors in action.
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From: Uk
dropping down to the bottom? No change there then.
More to the point you can't say BA does not have a sense of humour. Every year it's the same......50 questions on the tech quiz and the last one or two are always about fatigue
More to the point you can't say BA does not have a sense of humour. Every year it's the same......50 questions on the tech quiz and the last one or two are always about fatigue
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From: The Winchester
Fixed the link for you:
BA seeks to close main pension scheme - BBC News
The short answer to your question is "some are".
There are quite a few who joined a while back who are in NAPs, are still contributing and expecting to draw benefits from the scheme. However NAPS hasn't been available to new joiners for quite a few years.....they are on BARP or some iteration thereof.
The repercussions of this could be interesting to say the least. Could be a defining moment for BALPA at BA.
BA seeks to close main pension scheme - BBC News
The short answer to your question is "some are".
There are quite a few who joined a while back who are in NAPs, are still contributing and expecting to draw benefits from the scheme. However NAPS hasn't been available to new joiners for quite a few years.....they are on BARP or some iteration thereof.
The repercussions of this could be interesting to say the least. Could be a defining moment for BALPA at BA.
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From: London
It sure is. Considering most of the BALPA reps will be affected I am sure they will fight tooth and nail to minimise any loss to themselves. They are already floating the idea of "improving" the DC scheme, funnily enough over the last 15 years they have never considered fighting for an improved DC scheme untill now, go figure!
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Can anyone give an enlightened guess to what this might mean for the hold poolers? At the moment my guess is (and I hope that I am wrong)
Those in NAPs loosing, for some, a significant sum in retirement. Especially SFO's that were planning their pension on a capt final salary, but now that is locked in at FO rates.
A rush for short haul commands from said FO's to increase pensionable pay to try and recoup losses.
A distinct lack of interest in future part time contracts, again to try and maintain as high as possible pensionable pay to recoup losses, from all in NAPS.
Less early retirements.
All leading to less recruitment in the coming years, and times to command significantly expanded.
Am I missing something? Or should I start seriously looking elsewhere. 12+ years for short haul command IF i get a call for 2018 isn't boding well based on my advancing age.
Those in NAPs loosing, for some, a significant sum in retirement. Especially SFO's that were planning their pension on a capt final salary, but now that is locked in at FO rates.
A rush for short haul commands from said FO's to increase pensionable pay to try and recoup losses.
A distinct lack of interest in future part time contracts, again to try and maintain as high as possible pensionable pay to recoup losses, from all in NAPS.
Less early retirements.
All leading to less recruitment in the coming years, and times to command significantly expanded.
Am I missing something? Or should I start seriously looking elsewhere. 12+ years for short haul command IF i get a call for 2018 isn't boding well based on my advancing age.
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From: Runcorn,Cheshire,England
It sure is. Considering most of the BALPA reps will be affected I am sure they will fight tooth and nail to minimise any loss to themselves. They are already floating the idea of "improving" the DC scheme, funnily enough over the last 15 years they have never considered fighting for an improved DC scheme untill now, go figure!
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From: London
What heros, increasing something from 80% to 95% that should have been 100% to begin with, and that was 11 years ago. What have they done since other than reducing pay and conditions for all new joiners? What you call moaning is unfortunately the truth as I see it, you are of course welcome to disagree but this is an open forum and people are entilited to voice their opinions no matter how negative.
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From: Runcorn,Cheshire,England
Yes, but this is also an anonymous forum, and whilst you are entitled to an opinion; why not pop over to the BALPA forum and put your moaning into a more constructive form, where your name and status isn't hidden behind the keyboard. Or is it just easier to snipe from the sidelines without your opinions being "challenged" ?
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From: London
I am more than happy to be "challenged" by anyone on my opinions. In fact I gave BALPA a chance to challenge me just last month when I wrote to them rescinding my 17 year old membership whilst highlighting all the reasons for such a decision. Needless to say their response was not overly challenging, as such my access to said forum is limited (a great loss to my life I am sure).
I am not quite sure I follow your logic regarding the anonymous nature of this forum, is an opinion only valid if it's from an identifiable source? I don't believe any of my comments, feelings or opinions are anything to be ashamed or embarrassed by and I would freely express such views to anyone in person.
Just to be clear not all my posts are negative regarding BA, there are some good points about working there and I have highlighted them as well. But for some people trying to make difficult decisions regarding a possible future career at BA my experiences might well be considered "constructive", if not they are welcome to ignore them.
I am not quite sure I follow your logic regarding the anonymous nature of this forum, is an opinion only valid if it's from an identifiable source? I don't believe any of my comments, feelings or opinions are anything to be ashamed or embarrassed by and I would freely express such views to anyone in person.
Just to be clear not all my posts are negative regarding BA, there are some good points about working there and I have highlighted them as well. But for some people trying to make difficult decisions regarding a possible future career at BA my experiences might well be considered "constructive", if not they are welcome to ignore them.
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From: somewhere in the middle
I've been having a bit of trouble with my emails - inbound emails either being moved straight to junk (despite being from recognised sources) or not delivered at all. While I'm pretty sure someone would have mentioned it on here, I don't suppose there's been any notice of this web - chat session happening any time soon?
Cheers.
Cheers.