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Old 3rd Sep 2017, 17:43
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Here you go

our plan is to carry a small surplus into 2018 predominantly to ease the transition to JSS. Given the complexities of our agreements and the long timescales for pilot recruitment, after a hiatus in recruitment over the summer period, we are looking forward to welcoming the final tranche of FPP graduates over the next few months before recommending external recruitment in earnest in the New Year. We have enjoyed a recuperative year in 2017 and, though we will not complete the detailed work on our 2018 financial plan until October, we can be confident that the next 12 months will be a busy time both within the operation and for pilot recruitment.
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Old 3rd Sep 2017, 18:42
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Does "external recruitment" mean / include the CTC / OAA cadets (not FPP) that they are sourcing, or do they mean DEP?
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Old 3rd Sep 2017, 19:04
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Just a health warning about that statement bex: about two months back it's author attended a SEP forum and told the assembled bunch of flight crew about forthcoming plans, mix of DEPs and FPPs he expected to see, and roughly when. Two weeks later the plan had all changed, and since I had paraphrased the SEP forum comments here I was left a tad red faced.

I don't doubt the author is telling it as he sees it today but whilst he is very very highly placed in the Flight Ops food chain we know commercial are well capable of springing surprises. Whilst the statement is better than an information vacuum I'd still add a note of caution until we see in print both the results of the Fleet plan and then Cassandra (internal bid process ) results.
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Old 3rd Sep 2017, 19:52
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Wise words as always Wiggy.
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Old 4th Sep 2017, 07:08
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
Wise words as always Wiggy.
Oh I dunno bex, in a month or so it's quite possible we will discover I've been talking out of my **** again.....

It would be nice to give the swimmer some definite good news.....

Anyhow, back to the annual quiz..
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Old 5th Sep 2017, 23:43
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I have a feeling that once JSS is in place we won't need as many pilots as before, FPP or DE.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 03:59
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...Or on the other hand, maybe BA will; when most of the senior crystallized pension guys leave in disgust over not being able to tailor their life anymore in the way they were used to with bidline.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 06:18
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Some might go but TBH I think the amount of tailoring currently available simply through "basic" bidline and picking lines at Stage one and juicy trips at Stage two is overstated, trip swapping was a better weapon. Yes the Page one pilots can almost tailor things but below that vaunted position you quickly run into compromise territory.

Anyhow I see debate has kicked off again elsewhere as to what will actually happen when JSS is introduced. Some suspect the senior guys will "suffer", others think with JSS all the carp will drop through to the junior rosters. I think we will only which way things are going to go when we see JSS and the effect of it's much anticipated inhibitors in action.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 12:56
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It may be a way off yet anyway. The word on the street is that JSS is delayed at least 6 months with the development budget being heavily scrutinised by the Waterworld Accountants.

Who knows.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 20:43
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dropping down to the bottom? No change there then.

More to the point you can't say BA does not have a sense of humour. Every year it's the same......50 questions on the tech quiz and the last one or two are always about fatigue
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 19:43
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41193122

Is this true for flight deck as well ?
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 19:52
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Fixed the link for you:

BA seeks to close main pension scheme - BBC News

The short answer to your question is "some are".

There are quite a few who joined a while back who are in NAPs, are still contributing and expecting to draw benefits from the scheme. However NAPS hasn't been available to new joiners for quite a few years.....they are on BARP or some iteration thereof.

The repercussions of this could be interesting to say the least. Could be a defining moment for BALPA at BA.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 19:57
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Originally Posted by Snapper5 View Post
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41193122

Is this true for flight deck as well ?
It sure is. Considering most of the BALPA reps will be affected I am sure they will fight tooth and nail to minimise any loss to themselves. They are already floating the idea of "improving" the DC scheme, funnily enough over the last 15 years they have never considered fighting for an improved DC scheme untill now, go figure!
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 09:49
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Can anyone give an enlightened guess to what this might mean for the hold poolers? At the moment my guess is (and I hope that I am wrong)
Those in NAPs loosing, for some, a significant sum in retirement. Especially SFO's that were planning their pension on a capt final salary, but now that is locked in at FO rates.
A rush for short haul commands from said FO's to increase pensionable pay to try and recoup losses.
A distinct lack of interest in future part time contracts, again to try and maintain as high as possible pensionable pay to recoup losses, from all in NAPS.
Less early retirements.
All leading to less recruitment in the coming years, and times to command significantly expanded.

Am I missing something? Or should I start seriously looking elsewhere. 12+ years for short haul command IF i get a call for 2018 isn't boding well based on my advancing age.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 13:55
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Originally Posted by Enzo999 View Post
It sure is. Considering most of the BALPA reps will be affected I am sure they will fight tooth and nail to minimise any loss to themselves. They are already floating the idea of "improving" the DC scheme, funnily enough over the last 15 years they have never considered fighting for an improved DC scheme untill now, go figure!
Apart from increasing the pensionable pay from 80%to 95 % of pay FOR All, back in 2006. Perhaps distracted by your continual moaning on here about life in BA, you conveniently forgot that Enzo.?
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 14:40
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What heros, increasing something from 80% to 95% that should have been 100% to begin with, and that was 11 years ago. What have they done since other than reducing pay and conditions for all new joiners? What you call moaning is unfortunately the truth as I see it, you are of course welcome to disagree but this is an open forum and people are entilited to voice their opinions no matter how negative.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 16:29
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Yes, but this is also an anonymous forum, and whilst you are entitled to an opinion; why not pop over to the BALPA forum and put your moaning into a more constructive form, where your name and status isn't hidden behind the keyboard. Or is it just easier to snipe from the sidelines without your opinions being "challenged" ?
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 18:30
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I am more than happy to be "challenged" by anyone on my opinions. In fact I gave BALPA a chance to challenge me just last month when I wrote to them rescinding my 17 year old membership whilst highlighting all the reasons for such a decision. Needless to say their response was not overly challenging, as such my access to said forum is limited (a great loss to my life I am sure).

I am not quite sure I follow your logic regarding the anonymous nature of this forum, is an opinion only valid if it's from an identifiable source? I don't believe any of my comments, feelings or opinions are anything to be ashamed or embarrassed by and I would freely express such views to anyone in person.

Just to be clear not all my posts are negative regarding BA, there are some good points about working there and I have highlighted them as well. But for some people trying to make difficult decisions regarding a possible future career at BA my experiences might well be considered "constructive", if not they are welcome to ignore them.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 14:20
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I've been having a bit of trouble with my emails - inbound emails either being moved straight to junk (despite being from recognised sources) or not delivered at all. While I'm pretty sure someone would have mentioned it on here, I don't suppose there's been any notice of this web - chat session happening any time soon?

Cheers.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 14:28
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Just after Corbyn becomes PM
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