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Old 13th Jul 2017, 17:40
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Before reading that much into it, remember that not so long ago they said exactly the same about the current hold pool and the 2017 requirement. The other thing is they don't even know how many in the pool would (or are in a position to) still take the job. So it is difficult to see how there is any certainty in the plan right now.
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 19:45
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Rex on the pension front that may affect things too. NAPS looks like it will get wrapped up or at least that's what the company want. That may cause more people on NAPS to go part time to draw their pension and lock it in so to speak. As far as BARP is concerned from the lady who is in charge of this ", a clarification re BARP: any changes we propose will look to increase rather than reduce the pension current BARP members can earn." I think with the closure of NAPS BARP will be improved to try and smooth a transitional path for those in NAPS.
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 18:08
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VA 787

Is there any likelihood that VA will lure any 787 FOs away from BA with their latest recruitment? If so, I assume this would be (selfishly) positive news for swimmers?
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 19:43
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Originally Posted by PressTheTit View Post
Is there any likelihood that VA will lure any 787 FOs away from BA with their latest recruitment? If so, I assume this would be (selfishly) positive news for swimmers?
My ill-educated assumption would be no. I'm not sure what your seniority would need to be at BA to get onto the 787, but I guess you'd need a solid few years of service. Not sure why you'd leave that to start at the bottom again with VS. I suspect Norwegian drivers would be more likely to jump to Virgin.

Can't fault your optimism PressTheTit, but it might be misplaced this time...
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 20:40
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As a fellew swimmer I'd say the above is probably true, it's unlikely any BA 78 FO's would jump to VS. What might have happened though is the BA pool might have got a bit thinner if there were people in who've now gone to VS while waiting for BA to call?!
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 21:48
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Virgin have a much more streamlined seniority procedure compared to BA , even if you are junior in VA you still can get some bids in due to the seniority group rotation .
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 22:01
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Virgin also have a history of laying junior people off when they are struggling. Which they seem to do with monotonous regularity! AFAIK BA have NEVER made compulsory redundancies!

Take your choice chaps!
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 06:44
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Re FoxChaRomeo's comment from 5 July.


I was also told that there would be a total intake of around 150 crew in 2018, inc FPP, suggesting ~90 from the hold pool, but potentially later on in the year if the FPP guys/gals are starting first.
FWIW a very senior flight ops manager said pretty much the same in a face to face forum in the last few days, i.e. get the "graduated" FPPs waiting in the wings started, then (and here he was slightly more optimistic) go to the hold pool for perhaps 100 plus. Doing the sums it looks like a total intake of FPPs / DEPs of perhaps 200, tops,...but of course that plan is probably already out of date..............


( yes I know, somewhere somebody is muttering "I thought that selfish old f*** had "gone away" ...)

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Old 21st Jul 2017, 08:08
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Did anyone ever find out how many of us are in the hold pool? I have this sinking feeling some of us might be disappointed next year.
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 08:50
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If indeed that is true will it be those at the front of the que or those at the back I wonder, though on a more positive outlook nobody knows the actual number of people swimming and some may already have moved elsewhere. So in conclusion i guess it makes nothing any clearer!
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 11:59
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Hard to tell I suppose, I've heard an inkling of a rumor they might extend the hold pool time again. Time will tell, I know 2 or 3 guys/gals in the pool are moving to different airlines or taking an upgrade at their own place.
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Old 24th Jul 2017, 12:47
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More great news for the holdpoolers!
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Old 24th Jul 2017, 12:48
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No DEP for 2018... Holding time extended to another year but an interview is required if, big if, a start date is eventually given in 2019.
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Old 24th Jul 2017, 13:01
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so, when is virgin opening up then?
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Old 24th Jul 2017, 13:18
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No DEP for 2018
Are you able to provide a source for that?

No DEPs at all for '18 contradicts info being put out by a v senior BA flight Ops wheel in a meeting a couple of weeks back. Then again, he could have been being kept in the dark as much as anybody else, and plans certainly change on a daily basis.
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Old 24th Jul 2017, 13:27
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Wiggy if you were swimming you'd have an email from the source as of 1 hour ago
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Old 24th Jul 2017, 13:59
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Ahh..really sorry to hear that...

So much for management forums..

Good luck, hope the swimmers get something that works out.
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Old 24th Jul 2017, 14:13
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CTC Whitetail self sponsored cadets have (or shortly will be) selected to join us in 2018/19. It would seem that they are interviewed after their ground exams are complete. Min requirements being an 85% average on their ATPLs and BBC at A-Level or equivalent. These new 'cadets' seem to be filling the hole left by the lack of FPPs once the last batch join at the end of this year/beginning of 2018.

I'm sure that it's completely coincidental that our former head of short haul joined CTC last year(!)
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Old 24th Jul 2017, 14:38
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I don't want to be rude but can someone explain

Why are they putting cadets in front of 200 experienced, tried and tested proven pilots. whom most would bend over backwards to work for BA. Especially those of us coming from low cost airlines ?
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Old 24th Jul 2017, 14:43
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Personally no idea, if they really have deliberately displaced those in the pool in favour of cadets then maybe in the current climate BA management have decided they want a younger malleable "product" ...after all that's a concept that has worked really well with Mixed Fleet.

OTOH if you fancy darker conspiracy theories I'd refer you to the final sentence in EMB-145LR's post....it's as good a guess as any.
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