Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Terms and Endearment
Reload this Page >

BA Direct Entry Pilot.

Terms and Endearment The forum the bean counters hoped would never happen. Your news on pay, rostering, allowances, extras and negotiations where you work - scheduled, charter or contract.

BA Direct Entry Pilot.

Old 2nd Apr 2016, 23:08
  #2821 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Posts: 78
Angelo26


'I applied 6 day ago on SH fleet.... finger crossed!'

I hope you double-checked your written offering!
A340Yumyum is offline  
Old 3rd Apr 2016, 08:47
  #2822 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: On Parole!
Posts: 60
How long can you delay going to interview before the application is scrapped?
prisoner24601 is offline  
Old 5th Apr 2016, 00:11
  #2823 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Northern Hemisphere
Posts: 57
Why do you say that? Did they specially say you failed due to that?
It was one of the items they brought up in my feedback.

The 10 mins time for you to get used to the Sim is totally unassessed. You are not secretly being monitored at this point. BA is such a large and prominent employer in this industry and is so paranoid about bad press, that all recruitment follows a strict well defined framework. This ensures no allegations of discrimination of any sort.

The same also applies for internal applications which are as long winded and laborious as external applications.
As above, one of the items discussed as a fail point in my feedback occurred during the 10 min unassessed practice, if what you say were entirely true, then surely it shouldn't have been brought up?

I felt the sim process was very open, and the radar circuit was unassessed. However, given that the assessor was in all likelihood giving you handling feedback during and after your circuit, I believe that your ability to incorporate that feedback into your assessment sectors WAS assessed given that trainability was one of the three key areas I was told were under assessment.
Yes he did give feed back after the circuit was over, and I did not make the same mistake again, which is why I was surprised it was brought up as a fail item during the feedback call.

I was pleased to get that far at my first ever attempt, and from what I hear, it's quite rare to get that far, let alone get a job offer at the first go, so I've just got to take it on the chin and try again when I can.

NukeHunt is offline  
Old 6th Apr 2016, 17:52
  #2824 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 29
Can anyone confirm whether the flight management scenario gives instructions to descend in feet per minute or feet per mile?

Many thanks,
UK
AirUK is offline  
Old 6th Apr 2016, 19:09
  #2825 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Close to minimums
Posts: 20
Feet per nautical mile
Approaching Minima is offline  
Old 6th Apr 2016, 19:39
  #2826 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Unknown
Posts: 45
When I did the test they used this I found on the website

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ps...SQGz-Au-iWM%3A
Club World is offline  
Old 8th Apr 2016, 16:52
  #2827 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Reading
Age: 30
Posts: 3
Any guys on here entered the hold pool recently and waiting for an offer....?
MEA07CP is offline  
Old 9th Apr 2016, 15:03
  #2828 (permalink)  
VJW
Sciolist (look it up) of the first order
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 778
Anyone been emailed to come back within the 12 months had a reply yet?
VJW is online now  
Old 9th Apr 2016, 19:57
  #2829 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: EU
Posts: 25
Question regarding CAP,

Sorry, after trawling through dozens of pages, I havent found a clear answer on this.

But if you don't make CAP, what happens?
VxVy is offline  
Old 9th Apr 2016, 23:47
  #2830 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: UK
Posts: 55
If the company has built your roster, nothing. If you have built it using bidding, then if you are a long way short, your bids get wiped, then the company write your roster, and that's all. If you're only a bit short, say 5 hours, then they dock 5 hours pay that month. But you can always then pick up overtime to get that cash back, or not, depends how you feel.
Lead is offline  
Old 9th Apr 2016, 23:53
  #2831 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 3
Hey guys

To add another question... I am in the middle of the assessment process (day 2 coming up) and looking for information on BA longhaul lifestyle. How would a 'typical' 777 roster look like nowadays? I couldn't find any recent posts about this topic.
Any info is highly appreciated (days off per month, 777 vs other fleets etc)

Take care everyone
lhchris
lhchris is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2016, 08:07
  #2832 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,426
VxYx

if you don't make CAP, what happens?
As Lead says if the company has built your roster = Blindline, then don't worry about CAP, you're paid as if you'd achieved it (aka "pay protected").

If you are building your roster = Trip line = then you must reach a specified monthly minimum by end of Stage 2. Used to be CAP - 15 hrs on Longhaul, (not sure where it is this week with the various alleviations that are in play, CAP -10?). If you don't get above the minimum then your line is "wiped" of trips ( hence this minimum level is known as "wiping level") and you become a Blindline holder (rostered by company, pay is protected).

If you are successful in being above wiping level but are still below CAP after Stage 2 then:

1. If you are short of CAP with enough available hours in the bank from previous months to cover the shortfall then sufficient banked hours are withdrawn to get you up to CAP......but see warning 1 below.

2. If you are below CAP with insufficient hours in the bank to get back to CAP you are a "Nett Low Bidder"(NLBer) This is generally not regarded as a "good thing" and life now gets very complex ...one of several things may happen:

If you are very close to CAP you may simply get away with roster being left intact and pay being docked, as Lead described.

OTOH if it's a sizeable shortfall the company will add work to your line, or use a combination of removing and adding of trips to get you nearer to CAP ( that might mean ending up above CAP).

(A very belated history note: This whole NLBer d..... dance was brought in about 10 years ago to stop people consistently bidding below CAP, month after month. The compensation was the introduction of the Aspirational Part Time contracts).

Warning 1: Nowadays in any event the company can put extra work on your line at the final stage of roster build if you've left a nice gap (regardless of whether you've made CAP or not )...

and

Warning 2: Bidline is going in perhaps less than two years, so there's no point in getting too hung up on the details.

Last edited by wiggy; 10th Apr 2016 at 19:58. Reason: Because it was there...
wiggy is online now  
Old 10th Apr 2016, 10:40
  #2833 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Barcelona
Age: 36
Posts: 209
I'm eligble to reapply again at the end of the month but unfortunately it appears the vacancies are no longer advertised. Anyone know if long haul recruitment will be opened up again in the near future?
The Mixmaster is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2016, 22:54
  #2834 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: England
Posts: 342
Wiggy,

A couple of months ago i was 40 mins below CAP with no time in the bank after stage 2 and was rung up by pre-ops to ask which other trip I would like. I told them I didn't want to do another whole day at work for the sake of 40 mins. I asked them to doc me 40 mins pay. They told me I had to either except another trip or be wiped as they don't doc pay anymore, so I told them to wipe me.

In the end my blind was of less credit than the trip line they wiped. Go figure.....

Regards
binsleepen is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2016, 08:24
  #2835 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,426
binsleepen

Yep, I was aware of there's the possibility of a "return to blindline" if you're a NLBer but I was aware my post was getting so long winded that I'd already either confused most people or bored them stiff so left it out....

As for what happened to you ...please note I never claimed at any time that scheduling always use logic or common sense ( I know you that)!

Out of interest are you able to say if they did the classic of wiping you but leaving you with most of your original trips? FWIW that's what happend to me last time I was wiped.....

Last edited by wiggy; 11th Apr 2016 at 09:35.
wiggy is online now  
Old 11th Apr 2016, 16:42
  #2836 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: north by north west
Posts: 195
Once on a blindline, Can you book single day leave on the LH fleet?

And how easy/difficult is it to book a single day leave once the roster is out?
Jay_solo is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2016, 18:02
  #2837 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,426
You don't get single days of leave under Bidline on any fleet.

Annual Leave days are only granted in multi day blocks, with your dates known several months ahead of time. Trying to protect a single day from duty for whatever reason (e.g. concert, sport, family event) is very difficult, even for the most senior, even on Trip lines, unless that day is embedded in a block of annual leave or is one of the fixed days off at the front of a Reserve Line..

Once on a blindline, Can you book single day leave on the LH fleet?
You can express a Blindline preference for a day(s) off before rostering for the month starts, which might be taken into account when the Blindline is built. No promises.

And how easy/difficult is it to book a single day leave once the roster is out?
You can't.

Once your final final roster is published you can see your working days and your days off. The assumption is you then plan your social arrangements to fit in with the published days off. At that late stage you can't suddenly try and book a leave day to get rid of a duty - if that facility existed it would be a very handy and very very popular way for pilots to get rid of nasty trips from their lines and it would be chaos in scheduling/current ops !

Your last minute options if you really have to get a day off that has been clobbered by a published duty would be to:

1. Trip swap with a colleague or swap with an uncovered trip still held by ops ( but lots of caveats apply to the latter case) ,

2. Ask scheduling if it is possible to cash the trip in against the hours in your bank, if you have enough, or,

3. In exceptional circumstances ( e.g. a family crisis, not because you've got tickets to something) the company may grant you compassionate leave.

Protecting single days off has always been a problem when working Bidline and it has got much more difficult over the years. If you believe the promises single days leave, nominating and protecting single days off, etc, might be something that appears in a limited way under JSS.

Last edited by wiggy; 12th Apr 2016 at 09:11.
wiggy is online now  
Old 12th Apr 2016, 13:51
  #2838 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: on the golf course
Posts: 2,104
4. Throw a sickie (run the risk of entering/progressing through AMP stages).
TopBunk is offline  
Old 12th Apr 2016, 14:23
  #2839 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: north of barlu
Posts: 6,175
I hear rumours of direct entry captain on the A320 for those with type ratings, I find it hard to believe but any truth to this ?
A and C is online now  
Old 12th Apr 2016, 14:27
  #2840 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: London, UK
Posts: 94
Question asked of the resourcing team only last week and the answer was a
definite no.
SkyRocket10 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.