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Old 28th Jun 2016, 18:21
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These may be of interest to some of you.

British Airways Seeks Brexit Tourism Boost as Ryanair Downbeat - Bloomberg

Brexit: British Airways owner IAG claims it won't cut UK jobs or move assets
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Old 29th Jun 2016, 19:21
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.....apart from that required for new sickness assumptions, retirements, and EASA, although these would be far smaller numbers than required for growth.

" Sickness and Fatigue levels are unsurprisingly on the rise in BA (and many other airlines i'd expect) due to EASA FTL's, some fleets doing 5-6 LH trips a month which isn't sustainable long term so certainly numbers will be needed to cope with this continuing problem.
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Old 29th Jun 2016, 19:34
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5-6 LH Trips a month. Factually correct but the annual limits stand unchanged. So yes they may be able to roster 5-6 trips in a month for a while but sooner or later in the year you are going to hit the 900 hour buffer. Sooner in this case! 90 hours a month leaves you with November and December off by my reckoning, not much number crunching involved. So no, these rosters are not sustainable even as it stands.
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Old 30th Jun 2016, 20:32
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90 hours a month is not unusual and doesn't necessarily mean two months off at the end of the year. Factor in six weeks leave and two simulator blocks/SEP etc and it all comes together.
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Old 30th Jun 2016, 20:40
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Just wanted to clarify what the new verbal reasoning test entails, is it similar to the old one in respect of reading a long passage and then answering either True/False or Cannot say?
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Old 30th Jun 2016, 20:49
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Flap62 that wasn't meant to be taken literally it was just to highlight that to all practical purposes it is completely impossible to do 90 hours month after month.
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Old 30th Jun 2016, 22:10
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Yes, and apart from true/false some answers are a sentence and you have to pick which one is correct according to whats featured in the text.

What are some good resources for day 2? Thanks all!

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Old 1st Jul 2016, 10:26
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Thank you very much for the clarification, best of luck in the remainder of the selection process.
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Old 1st Jul 2016, 12:20
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BW - Reading the previous 154 pages of this thread and the low down part 1 thread gives you all the preparation material you need! Good luck!
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Old 1st Jul 2016, 20:43
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Any thoughts on when application window will open again?

Any news on change of requirements or still expecting 320 TR with 500+ hours ?


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Old 3rd Jul 2016, 20:48
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Hi all,

Just for info the BA PRIAM bidding process has just opened and will stay open for the next month. This is the system that allows current BA pilots to put in a request for a fleet transfer. It is seniority based, and takes into account forecast vacancies, retirements, part time requests, fleet growth or decline and any freezes relevant to the individual.

Bidding now is for the training year starting Jan '17 and it is worth noting that this will be the first time that those pilot who started in 2012, when recruitment started to ramp up, will be able to bid without the initial 5 year freeze. Once the bidding closes BA then allocates courses on a seniority basis and then looks at what seats it has left and recruits appropriately.

What this means in terms of numbers and LH/SH I have no idea and I suspect neither will BA until the end of the summer/ early autumn.


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Old 14th Jul 2016, 06:00
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I would not be overly pessimistic about the effect of BREXIT.

Revenue has been under pressure for a while now and the industry trend is downward at the moment.

Companies like BA will fair much better than the larger ones out there in the long run as long as Mr Cruz does not go mad.

Whilst some fixed and variable costs will go up with the weakened pound we are neutrally hedged on a number of fronts.

The 747 plan will remain unchanged. We own them, and they are full so making good money, so I do not foresee a huge change in the retirement plan for them.

Biggest threat to employees / pilots is the company itself using the present uncertainty to leverage more efficiency and cost reductions.

As a manager I told guys years ago "Go part time asap and do something that either makes you happy, or rich (not necessarily monetary) in your spare time but do not rely on BA in the future to deliver on all your needs".

My advice remains un changed.

Off on holiday.....

Hope your well Wiggy.
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 07:13
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It looks like the A320 campaign has just opened...it also looks like the window is quite short too, end date of 27th July!


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Old 14th Jul 2016, 08:19
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[QUOTE=JazzyKex;9439321]It looks like the A320 campaign has just opened...it also looks like the window is quite short too, end date of 27th July!

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Old 21st Jul 2016, 19:56
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Only able to apply if one can attend one of two available dates on this short notice?
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Old 22nd Jul 2016, 12:25
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Originally Posted by FMS1 View Post
Hi all
I have a sim assessment 27th July, PM me if you have the same.

Many thanks
Dear Fms1,
Hi, may I ask you when did you book the slot for the sim assessment?
I'm trying to book a sim slot since the beginning of june but on the webpage says "slots not available".

Best Regards,
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 09:15
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I always looked at BA but I'm not sure what the actual positives are beyond the ones of variety, large company, image. Those are low down on my personal list. Genuine question, reading though the threads it seems a common theme:-

1/900 hours pa airline. Only one in UK that does this LH
2/ changing terms, not for better with variable flight pay, bidline going
3/ New boss with cost cutting on horizon
4/ decent pay but not the best
5/ only base south east

I was reading the VS thread and it seems they get paid more and fly a lot less. People who fly for Thomas Cook, Mon, Thomson seem happy with the lifestyle. So what apart from the image and reckoned security attracts people to BA lifestyle wise? It has to be lifestyle as priority surely? Even with bidline you still fly max hours. Just seems reading its potentially worse than likes of Vs or charter operators. Has anyone joined BA recently and regretted it?

Please don't take this as a dig, I'm interested. I considered applying but I am not sure it's for me and for the reasons above so interested to hear what those on t' inside thought of these things.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 11:24
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Hi Jack, all good questions to ask. If more guys thought like you, the T&C's would probably rise. Sadly, if I was a young thrusting pilot with a few thousand hours and a decent type rating, I would be looking East. The way aviation is regarded and taxed in the Uk and EU, it is a dying industry. For a semi decent lifestyle and decent money , stay out of the U.K. By decent money , I'm talking 100K+ take home.
Many of us in BA do ok because we joined 20+ years ago, and are towards the top of the seniority lists for bidding. Many live abroad, paying reduced levels of taxation.
If I had other options, I don't think I'd join BA again, knowing I'd be stuck in the SE.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 12:27
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Hi Jack

some really good questions and having been at BA now 18 months i'd say a lot of your assumptions are right!

I'm LH and never worked so hard in my career and the tiredness is a killer if you aren't the type that can just sleep anywhere!

EASA has certainly made getting good chunks of time off a lot harder add to which if you leave a gap of more than 3 days you risk being forced assigned anyway! Lots of Trip 2 days off trip 2 days off trip 2 days off and after a while you just don't feel recovered.

Bidline going who knows how the new system will be until it comes in but the sceptical side of me thinks it will be much like a Blind Line with very little control especially if junior but time will tell.

The new boss definitely has cost cutting on the agenda how much of that will come our way no one knows but one of the biggest things as a newbie in BA that surprised me is how low morale is on the line, i guess for many the reality of being in BA and not being immune to the downward changes going on is starting to sink in for many. That said the people you fly with are mostly great and no different from any of the other airlines I've worked at.

I'd say the command gradient is shallow at BA you are given a lot of responsibility on your sector as an FO which i think is good for progression.

If you want a big corporate and the security that goes with it then i guess BA gives that a big tick but i came from a bucket and spade company where the airport was 35 mins away and i was home every night and felt like my flying skills were much sharper than they are now! Never felt as tired as i do now and was Parked back outside my house within 55 mins of shutting engines down, now I'm lucky if i am at my car within that time.

All i'd say is BA certainly is not the holy grail it once was but you know that already, but many don't and i think once the honeymoon period is over some will be in for disappointment. The current work load is not sustainable full time in my opinion unless you want serious health issues or death early into your retirement which i guess is why many are going earlier than planned at the top! I flew with a skipper who was 75% a few months back, he said he's working harder 75% than he was full time 6 years ago! I have a mate at VS and he doesn't work anywhere near as hard. I guess do what works for you. Hope that helps.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 12:53
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Interesting questions from Jack, and I wouldn't quibble with the responses.

I flew with a skipper who was 75% a few months back, he said he's working harder 75% than he was full time 6 years ago!
In my experience that sounds very credible.

The current work load is not sustainable full time in my opinion
Judging by the numbers trying to get onto one of the part time contracts you are not alone in that belief. The ability to sustain the full time workload is becoming a major concern for many, in both seats.
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