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Old 27th Dec 2015, 09:27
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Hallo folks!

I wonder, if they offer me LH can I later on bid for SH command or I am somehow freeze for 5 years on type?

thx
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 09:27
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SH lines for Feb look exactly the same as those for Jan, apart from the addition of some ORY standover days
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Arewerunning View Post
Hallo folks!

I wonder, if they offer me LH can I later on bid for SH command or I am somehow freeze for 5 years on type?

thx
Yes you can bid whenever you want. You will also incur a 5 year engagement freeze. This is for BA's benefit only. If they want to honour a bid of yours within your 5 year freeze then they'll move you. I believe what happens here is that you'd incur another 5 year freeze (for your new type and called an equipment freeze) plus any remaining from your engagement freeze.

Good luck!
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 09:59
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I keep getting this. Any idea how to solve it?

RefUKLHR2722Region UK - HeathrowLocation UK - London - Heathrow T5 Map & DirectionsCategory Flying Opportunities
Unfortunately, the job you are looking for is no longer being advertised.
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Old 27th Dec 2015, 11:41
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Stranotipo at the moment there is no active vacancy on the website hence why you can't find it.
However with the forecasted NEP numbers for 2017 I would be suprised if there won't be one online in the near future.
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Old 28th Dec 2015, 14:51
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First things first, I have to put my questions (below) into context: I'm thinking about joining BA via the FPP. I know this is DEP thread but w/ Search I've gathered this is *the* thread in which many BA FOs & CPTs regularly stop by, so I hope some of you could help me by answering my questions.

(1) I read BA is one of few airlines that offers TRI (maybe also TRE?) position also to FOs. Teaching is one of my passions. If I could combine SH flying w/ TR instructing, that would only boost my motivation to join BA. Questions:
(1.1) How senior & how much flying hours does a pilot at BA have to have to be sent to TRI course and start working as a TR instructor?
(1.2) My goal for instructing isn't to become rich. OTOH, South East England is one of the most expensive parts of the world to live in. A cadet salary for the first 7 years is substantially lower than the DEP salary. So I have to ask is the work of a TRI (later TRE?) @ BA extra financially remunerated? If affirmative, how higher is the salary?

(2) Roster. I understand junior FOs at LGW don't have any influence over their roster at beginning. I'd like to know how senior would one have to be to successfully bid for following roster: From July till September work any roster. From October till June bid for time off - each week 2 specific workdays off (i.e. 2 predefined consecutive or non-consecutive regular workdays from Monday till Friday) and fly all other workdays and whole weekends, e.g.: every Monday&Thursday OFF and other 5 days of the week ON. Can a junior FO get such a roster in 2 or 3 years from joining BA? If not, after how many years?

I know I'd like to fly for BA, but I have to consider all aspects of the job. I'd appreciate honest and truthful answers. Thanks.
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Old 28th Dec 2015, 15:16
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Ok, my go at answering your Qs. Consider this a holding response until, somebody who is more experienced in the subject areas replies.
1.1 I think you need at least 1500 hrs multi and there probably is a recency experience on the Airbus too. Its also very competitive to attain a training appointment and takes quite a few months to get on line.
1.2 Yes it is, but you will also be doing less flying in your training months and although that is partly covered by new pay arrangements, part of it isn't.
2 Almost impossible. Is this for a course or to play sport?
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Old 28th Dec 2015, 16:29
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Mr ripley, thanks for a prompt response. I raised the question about roster because later in life I'd like to study another university degree (either to get a second BEng or upgrade my current BSc with an MSc; as a mature student via part-time mode of study, online/longdistance is not an option) ... How about 6 or 7 years down the line? Would I have better chances then? Or, maybe if I'd switch base or go LH?
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Old 28th Dec 2015, 18:13
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(1) I read BA is one of few airlines that offers TRI (maybe also TRE?) position also to FOs. Teaching is one of my passions. If I could combine SH flying w/ TR instructing, that would only boost my motivation to join BA. Questions:
(1.1) How senior & how much flying hours does a pilot at BA have to have to be sent to TRI course and start working as a TR instructor?
(1.2) My goal for instructing isn't to become rich. OTOH, South East England is one of the most expensive parts of the world to live in. A cadet salary for the first 7 years is substantially lower than the DEP salary. So I have to ask is the work of a TRI (later TRE?) @ BA extra financially remunerated? If affirmative, how higher is the salary?

(2) Roster. I understand junior FOs at LGW don't have any influence over their roster at beginning. I'd like to know how senior would one have to be to successfully bid for following roster: From July till September work any roster. From October till June bid for time off - each week 2 specific workdays off (i.e. 2 predefined consecutive or non-consecutive regular workdays from Monday till Friday) and fly all other workdays and whole weekends, e.g.: every Monday&Thursday OFF and other 5 days of the week ON. Can a junior FO get such a roster in 2 or 3 years from joining BA? If not, after how many years?
1) You could apply for TAH within BA. Realistically speaking for FPP to Training FO could be quite a leap for the first few years, so if that's your goal, I'd aim for it as part of my '5 year plan' and consider myself fortunate if it comes sooner.

2) It's not true that junior LGW get no control at all. The reverse is probably true - a junior FO at LGW will probably get more from his bid that an junior blindline holder at LHR. It is very possible to bid for every Monday and Thursday off at LGW, and you'd probably stand a decent chance of getting most of them off as it's probably not high on everybody else's bids! You probably wouldn't get them all off however because of the need for two consecutive days in eight etc rules, which tends to block work together.

Perhaps those more experienced in BA will be able to tell us whether a training FO appointment must be based at LHR?
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Old 28th Dec 2015, 22:10
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Yep, Training FO is LHR only.
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Old 29th Dec 2015, 07:27
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Hi you ask some great questions but I think your putting the cart before the horse here and that will only pile on the stress and pressure.

The short answer is that BA can offer you everything you want but not necessarily at the speed in which you would want. TRI has a legal requirement of 1500hrs on multi pilot aircraft. You would be hard pressed to see it within 5 years and IMHO our trainers are generally very experienced. That said FPP guys are the top 2% in theory so why not. Seniority has little to do with it. It's down to you actually applying and then going through the interviews. If your suitable then you will be given the opportunity. Trainers work very hard in their training months and yes they get more money (not much more) but they loose out in duty pay so it's about even from what I have heard.

Rostering.......probably achievable if you put effort into your bidding and trading. If it's because of something at which you excel (sports) or you are undertaking further education the company are generally quite receptive to requests. Unless it's something like "I need every Saturday and Sunday off and I can't start before 10am on Mondays"

My suggestion is go for it. Come and join us. When it's not everything you want you can have a good old bitch about it. You'll fit right in then
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Old 29th Dec 2015, 09:21
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I applied and got a training FO job on the 757 3 years after joining as a cadet. Im
no ace of the base, so it its perfectly feasible.
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Old 29th Dec 2015, 23:47
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Wow, you guys are great. Thanks to everyone for providing so much info.

In the meantime my 2nd post from Dec 28th has been approved by moderators and is now visible. To reiterate, my motive for roster question is further education.

About FO TRI: I take it it's a viable option then. But at LHR. And at least 3 to 5 years after joining ... That's all I need to know.

Onto roster:
@Stocious: The "Monday&Thursday off" was one example. You've mentioned the "need for two consecutive days in eight". I don't yet know the ins and outs of the LGW bidding system, so I understand this as "necessary 2 consecutive days off in 8 days time frame" rule. W/o annoying anyone w/ university timetables & attendance, let me say the 2 consecutive workdays off would also work for me ... Hence for example: one year from October till June I would gladly bid for Mondays&Tuesdays off and other 5 days on; and next year bid Thursdays&Fridays off and other 5 days on, etc. ... (1.) Would I stand better chances winning such a bid than previous example "Monday&Thursday off" ? ... (2.) Generally speaking, how junior/senior does a LGW cadet/FO have to be to successfully bid any above described 'workdays off' rosters? - Already 1st year or 2, 3 or more years after joining BA?
@bex88: We'll always find sth. to b!tch about. But for now I'm really glad to know BA considers education as a favorable circumstance and are receptive to requests for bids/trades/swaps. One more reason I like BA.

Thanks for all the help!

P.S.: Hopefully, this post 'goes through' sooner than previous one.

Last edited by Luke_Stern; 30th Dec 2015 at 08:27. Reason: Added one relevant question. Also, fixed missspellinng.
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Old 30th Dec 2015, 08:08
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I would add that BA considers further education as a benefit if they think it will be of benefit to BA when you graduate. If you wanted to do a course in basket weaving, you may find that they are less helpful.
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Old 30th Dec 2015, 14:00
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You can change what you bid for every month at LGW if you so choose. You'd stand a reasonably good chance of getting a number of consecutive weekdays off each month right from the start as it's not a popular bidding strategy, but you wouldn't get them all, and there would be no guarantee further than the roster you've just received!
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Old 30th Dec 2015, 16:50
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Is it possible to "port" an existing pension pot into BARP accrued at your previous employer?
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Old 31st Dec 2015, 18:03
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Thanks for that Ten Dollar. Makes sense to me to try and keep it all in one place, but best to know my options.
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Old 1st Jan 2016, 10:01
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You can but you have to wait 2 years before you can port your other pension/s into BARP. Not sure why, just the rules of the scheme I guess.

Happy New Year All!
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Old 1st Jan 2016, 10:20
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Ok, I'll need to find an interim measure if that's the case. Thanks.
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Old 1st Jan 2016, 16:08
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Originally Posted by eckhard View Post
SH lines for Feb look exactly the same as those for Jan, apart from the addition of some ORY standover days
Ermm. Nope.

Many trips that under the old CAA FDP's are now in excess.
But ok under EASA.

Check out TRIP 2137, 2144, 2455. All at least 0:30 into discretion under the older, safer regime.

Trip 2487. 04:15 uk hotel pick up in ATH. ATH-LHR-PSA-LHR.
Park at LHR at 17:00.

These are bad days before you even start.
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