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Old 1st Jan 2016, 17:27
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Well if that's true you can only imagine what easyJet are going to try to get away with then. This is not a BA issue, it's an industry-wide one. Look at Wizz Air where you'll have (at least) two of those kind of days in a row.

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Old 1st Jan 2016, 19:25
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Right Engine,

Thanks; didn't notice those trips! Only three out of many but I'm sure that there are more lurking. On the whole, I still think that the total package isn't too different.

Happy new year
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Old 2nd Jan 2016, 10:40
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It would probably be good to take even more care than normal before deciding whether to exercise discretion in future. Especially as the onus is even more firmly on the head of the captain.

Taking your nightstop kit should become SOP from February.
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 04:55
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Originally Posted by eckhard View Post
Right Engine,

Thanks; didn't notice those trips! Only three out of many but I'm sure that there are more lurking. On the whole, I still think that the total package isn't too different.

Happy new year
I wish it was '3 out of many'. I got to about 20 trips and gave up looking.. This is in a low CAP month. Dread to think what trip constructions will look like when the Summer charters start!
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 09:12
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Its well known that Easa FTL is more advantageous for morning departures but not so much for afternoon. The issue of previous'safer regime,' can only be perceived at this time - the new fdp's have been around for many years in Europe under the guise of sub part Q - flown by many more airlines than left in the UK. This offers UK airlines a level playing field.

My questions to you;

What was the name of the last decent sized UK AOC to start up?

If a BA crew member can fly in from home say AMS, hang around for4 hours then go fly for 3 sectors or a 2 crew flight stateside - if your that concerned over the longer FDP in the morning are you willing to comment on the commuting question ?
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 14:04
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Someone doing a silly commute is not germane to this issue, whether it be an air commute or a drive from Inverness to LHR prior to operating a service.
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 14:15
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Commute from Oxford area

Hi,

Im due to start with BA soon, and have decided to move South, as I don't want to commute too far.

Do many people commute from the Oxford area? If so how do you find it? Ive been offered a long haul position.

Secondly, how do Standby duties work from LGW? I understand for LHR it is 2 hours to report to the car park. Is it the same to the LGW car park?

Thanks in advance!!
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 15:11
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Lots of crew live in the Oxford area, it is an easy drive down the M40. It is well within the 2 hours to the carpark for a Home Standby - only SH do airport standby. There are no standbys for LGW as such unless you are SH, the 777 does fly from LGW but all pilots for the 777 are LHR based and special rules apply to LGW reports, so if called from sby for LGW they can still only expect you to be at 2 hours to the LHR carpark - they may ask you to try to be at LGW asap but it is not a requirement.
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 15:29
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pomme pilot

With reference to the specific question of being LHR based and being called out for an LGW trip of home standby, It's worth emphasising the point Juan made - there is no time limit, you are simply required to use your "best endeavours" to report at LGW at the earliest opportunity. It's definitely a rule worth being aware of the first time you do reserve since it's just possible somebody might ring you up and try to persuade you otherwise....

Good luck on the course.
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 15:37
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Thank you again for the info!

Hopefully all will go well with the course and I'll be able to offer the same help in the future!
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 13:41
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Sorry if this has been asked before but it relates specifically to the DEP long haul recruitment campaign recently.

To anyone who has applied, how long before you got either an invite/no thanks from them after submitting an application? It closed a few weeks ago, it's understandably a pretty busy time of year (or perhaps, more likely not so busy) but my application still says 'submitted' and nothing else. I'm going on holiday at the end of Jan and don't want to get caught out should I be so lucky.
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 18:31
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Can anyone (PM if necessary) give me an idea what blind lines might look like on the 747 for someone at the bottom of the seniority list? How many trips per month and so on?

If anyone can see the rosters with the new EASA FTLs applied, so much the better.
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 18:46
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The 747 is a slightly special case as there are "seeded" blind lines. Ie one long trip (the seed) and the rest are constructed by the company. At worst you'll do 5 trips but BA are pretty bad at constructing lines so probably less. My easiest month was 1 trip and then I did an overtime trip and I had a week's leave.

No one can show you an EASA roster as phase 1 bidding for Feb only closed this morning and Feb is the first month we'll be fully (haw haw) compliant with EASA. Most people on other fora are less than confident the show will stay on the road but that's another matter.
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 19:59
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It would probably be good to take even more care than normal before deciding whether to exercise discretion in future
No care required at all, my answer will be no.

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Old 5th Jan 2016, 05:18
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Originally Posted by Twiglet1 View Post
Right Engine
Its well known that Easa FTL is more advantageous for morning departures but not so much for afternoon. The issue of previous'safer regime,' can only be perceived at this time - the new fdp's have been around for many years in Europe under the guise of sub part Q - flown by many more airlines than left in the UK. This offers UK airlines a level playing field.

My questions to you;

What was the name of the last decent sized UK AOC to start up?

If a BA crew member can fly in from home say AMS, hang around for4 hours then go fly for 3 sectors or a 2 crew flight stateside - if your that concerned over the longer FDP in the morning are you willing to comment on the commuting question ?
For your first question, Don't know. For your second, I don't commute but for what it's worth I think doing an extra 2 hours duty after an 05:55 report that used to be called 'Discretion' is not safe. And to be rostered it consecutively (and legally) is going to result in more tiredness related errors.
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Old 5th Jan 2016, 20:06
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fly4more, stage 1 is aptitude tests before stage 2 interviews, although you could say submitting the application itself is stage 1!

For aptitude tests I highly recommend "assessmentday" and "skytest" websites. Apparently the latter has had the latest BA test added to it.
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Old 7th Jan 2016, 10:12
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Has anyone heard of any swimmers moving from the pool recently?
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Old 7th Jan 2016, 21:08
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Has anyone heard of any swimmers moving from the pool recently?
I was wondering the same thing. I've been sat in there since Oct. 320 rated 3400 hrs. My sim buddy got the 380 back in Nov and a friend who passed the sim a week after me the 320.
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Old 8th Jan 2016, 00:35
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Hi guys . I am looking to apply for the BA FPP when it reopens later this year. I got to the final stages of the process last year, only to fail as a result of the two written tests and the BA aptitude test. I know this is the DEP thread, but since the final phase of the FPP process is similar to the DEP route, would you be able to point me in the right direction for optimal preparation?
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Old 9th Jan 2016, 07:47
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Rex Banner . "You can only wonder what Easyjet are going to try and get away with"

For the moment , Easyjet are rostering to CAP371 . Largely as a result of united action by the pilot community. An indicative ballot of the pilots indicated overwhelming support for industrial action over the safety implications of EASA FTL.

The matter is now at ACAS , the Easyjet pilot community has more experience of FRMS and the light touch of self regulation than most , we are concerned .

(Sorry about the thread creep)
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