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Old 16th Jun 2014, 15:38
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It's entirely right to evaluate the pros and cons of BA to you as an individual.

In terms of whether you agree with them or not is unfortunately tough, as BA will have no shortage of candidates regardless of things not being what they once were.

I would assume that things will get slightly worse at BA, but that will probably be the case no matter which airline you're at. Unless you'd rather be at a regional base or time to command is imperative, BA is surely still the best place to be in the UK.
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Old 16th Jun 2014, 17:16
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What more can the SH review do to make the operation more efficient? Are they going to start changing the whole philosophy of aircraft being parked on foreign aprons overnight? Surely this must be one of the biggest controllable expenses associated with the SH operation (parking charges and putting crew up)?
The downside of getting rid of night stops is that you lose the early AM flights departing european stations that (in theory at least) feed the LHR Longhaul departures late AM onwards.......

I'm sure my short haul colleagues can give you plenty of examples of how the operation could be made much more cost effective and efficient without trying to force the pilots to work yet more duty hours.....there's a need to think "beyond the flight deck", or even "beyond the aircraft" ,
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Old 16th Jun 2014, 17:40
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Thank you for #292. I'm with you all the way. You put all my mind in one sentence. Classic - "there's a need to think "beyond the flight deck", or even "beyond the aircraft".
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Old 16th Jun 2014, 17:49
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Are they going to start changing the whole philosophy of aircraft being parked on foreign aprons overnight? Surely this must be one of the biggest controllable expenses associated with the SH operation (parking charges and putting crew up)?
...plus, of course, there is physically no more room at LHR to park any more aircraft overnight. All stands already taken so another reason to nightstop down route
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Old 16th Jun 2014, 21:26
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Those of you watching a very British airline - all these people are above you on the seniority list...
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Old 16th Jun 2014, 22:18
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Useful reminder jw; if you don't wish to be exposed to cadet "more senior" colleagues, outfits which elect to tap that resource likely won't suit and you'd be better off remaining clear.
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Old 16th Jun 2014, 22:22
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If they took bidline away, would that mean junior trash would get a better rostering experience than they have today? What is the likely outcome of all this and what would that look like for all?
Nobody can really say, since firstly they do not have a crystal ball, and secondly "better" is subjective.

However, under the current arrangements, the "junior trash" (as you call them) tend to work to a "blindline". In essence that means little choice in the work, but due to the vagaries of the system, they work less - by say 10%-15%. So anybody with evening classes on Tues/Wed/Thurs evening is pretty well OK to attend

Unfortunately, this "anomaly" has been noted by the grown-ups, and used as an illustration of how the current system is "not working". It is hard to disagree One possible outcome might be to leave the current system as far as possible, but find ways to get the Blindlines to near 100% work.

Were that to succeed, not only would there be little choice, and working every weekend, but the mid-week evening classes might not be so safe

That is but one possibility / interpretation, it's a big unknown for all right now...
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Old 17th Jun 2014, 08:47
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Useful reminder jw; if you don't wish to be exposed to cadet "more senior" colleagues, outfits which elect to tap that resource likely won't suit and you'd be better off remaining clear.
Very true, but don't forget that these cadets started their training and applied to BA on the FPP over two years ago...
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Old 17th Jun 2014, 12:15
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So has anyone had a response of any kind yet?
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Old 18th Jun 2014, 07:18
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PFO received last Friday. Good luck to all !
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Old 18th Jun 2014, 08:44
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I've not applied and nor do I have any interest in doing so!

Asking for people to list their experience might be a kick in the gonads for some! I can assure you that your experience is a minute part of the requirement and the main hurdle is answering the essay questions appropriately.
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Old 18th Jun 2014, 10:17
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No answer yet...
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Old 19th Jun 2014, 10:14
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Still waiting to hear anything......A friend of mine got a no.
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Old 19th Jun 2014, 11:04
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With the sheer number of applications even the No's may take a while in coming. It would be interesting to know if they started working on the applications as they were received or whether it is an arbitrary process started on an fixed date.
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Old 19th Jun 2014, 11:11
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FWIW I flew with a guy who does the sims for the recruitment process and he is expecting to start simming with candidates in mid-late July.

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Old 19th Jun 2014, 11:25
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I'd be inclined to question that. Perhaps that's the date they were provisionally given. I'd say with the amount of time that has already gone by they're going to struggle to get everyone to selection days in advance of that. Obviously could be wrong though but you'd think successful candidates would have heard something by now if it were the case.

(Of course you did say "start" so who knows?)

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Old 21st Jun 2014, 22:14
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I received an email last week inviting me to Day 1. Not my first time applying - the old Day 1 is now spread over 2 days. Tests on Day 1. If you're successful go back on another day for an interview and the group exercise. If you're again successful you'll be called back for a sim check. Quite a frugal process and with forced draft, the potential for change in the bidline system AND SH working their socks off it really is an interesting proposition. Having said that, it's a long term career which I think will pay off as I wish to go long haul. However, it's not for everybody......
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Old 22nd Jun 2014, 11:43
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I was invited for the 1st Day as well.
It's my 2nd attempt, last one on 2011.
Does anybody know what the 2 computer tests consist of?
Good luck to everyone...
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 02:05
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Out of curiosity, the 2 guys who have been re-invited for interviews, whats your experience like, TT? 320hrs? RHS/LHS?
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 08:39
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MaxShr

the potential for change in the bidline system AND SH working their socks off it really is an interesting proposition.
Given the firestorm that is raging elsewhere (i.e. BALPA forum and the in house BA forum) over the definite but supposedly only temporary changes made to Bidline to cover August's work I'd say that's an something of an understatement....

Good luck with the assessment but given the state of flux with Bidline at the moment I'd recommend that any successful applicants have a very critical and careful look at what BA's rostering system looks like at the end of this summer before signing on the line - especially if you value having more than a weeks notice of your days off early in a month and/or have ongoing family commitments such as childcare (be aware, if you are not, that generally under current Bidline there isn't an underlying pattern of days on/days off). Under the temporary (?) arrangements announced last week we won't know our confirmed August rosters until 25th July at the earliest, so this patch up of Bidline is a bit of a horror story for anyone who has made plans or is trying to make plans for activities outside work.

it's a long term career which I think will pay off as I wish to go long haul.
Fair enough, but remember if you are successful in getting into BA you will almost certainly be "serving time" in short haul for quite a while because it takes a long time to dig that tunnel that allows you to escape to long haul, if that's what you want (i.e. years at least, decade plus probably). Regardless on where you plan on ending up you really do need to seriously consider the life style issues and problems associated with BA short haul before making any decisions. BTW to give you some idea here's a video of a BA short haul pilot finally making the transition to a long haul fleet -

I know regardless of what I say successful applicant will sign on the line regardless, I'd probably do the same....but please don't pop up on the forums in a year or two under another name complaining that rostering was better at Easyair or Ryanjet.....you've been given a heads up....

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