sonypc100

hear hear!

Iva harden

sonypc100... you are correct there is a lot of nonsense being talked about and if I might be so bold, a lot is also coming from you, lets just see if anything comes of this, in the end, none of us know what will happen until it happens....

sonypc100

what part of lgw crew being part of a mainline base and being part of the NSP is nonsense?

Iva harden

All I am saying is if you want to get your point across try doing it without all this name calling and deriding other peoples jobs after all, not all people may want to be in BA, as cushy as it may seem to us. You have quoted flightrider a number of times....ask yourself the question, how accurate is the info....I would say we will not know until something happens....

sonypc100

I have never said BA is the bees knees. I am merely defending the point that even if GB take over LGW, and I have no preference either way, then BA will have to offer the current crew (who are mainline BA and in the NSP another job within BA) - as they are recruiting for crew at LGW, then the current crew cannot be made redundant (not a BA or union ruling but employment law) and secondly as the crew are in the NSP, if they were to be redundancies then it would be last in first out, so some LHR crew would be out before more senior crew.

i think you would find most current lgw crew would LOVE gb to take over lgw as it gets them to LHR in an instance

people like aspaceman are bitter as they were in the regions and got shafted as they were not in the NSP

again, i couldnt give 2 hoots if gb take over lgw or not, its just these silly posts saying that if they do all the lgw crew will be forced onto GB contracts, which is utter nonsense

aspaceman

Sony playstation

Can I please assure you of 2 things

1. I am not and have no reason to be bitter - just telling you what I heard from a leaky waterworld source

2. I have never been shafted by BA - just had dinner with Willie once! - nice chap, socially!

sonypc100

yes, willie is very nice socially, likes a beer, has a good irish humour about him, good at picking up the tab and you have had dinner with him....what relevance is that?

tiggerific_69

The attitude displayed by some posters in this thread makes me realise exactly why i dont want to join BA mainline. I am in the regions, this talk down attitude towards us about being in the NSP, the ignorance towards BA Connect (not even knowing if it is a Subsidiary or a Franchise?!?!) is just absolute snobbery. If Willie Walsh wants to make job cuts, he will. He did it at Aer Lingus, and im sure they were protected by employment law, and he wont be afraid of doing it at BA. Just like Mr Walsh has done with BA Connect, he wont be afraid to do it elsewhere to other parts of the business. Im not bitter about the Flybe takeover, infact im quite looking forward to it. We work our asses off up here, when mainline crew go on strike, we rescue the pax stuck out in Europe, we have to explain to them why their flight has been cancelled and why theyve been delayed for so long, and we get no thanks for it. We get asked by passengers when we're going on strike, and quite frankly i dont particularly like being attached to such a stigma, and therefore i look forward to the future with Flybe. Whatever happens with GB/LGW/LHR will happen, and there wont be anything you can do to stop it, once WW has made his mind up, then that is a done deal. As posted by Rumours Everywhere in post 36, this is a Rumour Network, and only time will tell what will happen.

Dash-7 lover

tiggerific 69 - good post! ;-)

Autobrake Low

Tiggerific - you make yourself out as some kind of martyr and downtrodden worker - 'rescuing passengers with no thanks' - 'snobbery' etc. You do what you do because it is your job. You can try changing companies if the present one does not suit you. I have worked for low cost airlines before joining the 'snobs' and so far all I can see is attitude coming from outside and not from within. Personally I prefer the terms and conditions where I am now - that is why I joined. Nothing about looking down on others - each individual makes their own path. I was forced drafted before christmas on my days off to recover some pax stranded by the bad fog - not one member of crew that day was moaning and complaining looking for thanks. We just accept that things like this will happen occasionally and deal with it.
The very fact that you think it is downright snobbery not to know the status of BA Connect suggests that you are the one with the complex not anyone else! How is your knowledge of other airlines? Why should anyone care - work for who you want and be satisfied or shut up!!!

aspaceman

"How is your knowledge of other airlines?" - Pretty good!

Auto, whilst I appreciate you are 'mainline' BA Con was a susiduary, not 'another' airline.

"Why should anyone care" - I'm alright Jack

Ask yourself that question in 2 weeks, after all

"We just accept that things like this will happen occasionally and deal with it."


Wait and see!

Mr Grumps

Latest rumour circulating is that Airbus are trying to sell BA a load of 330's which they have lying around to replace 777's and will replace 737's for free with 320's etc. This sounds like keeping shorthaul at LGW as well as longhaul.

oldandskint

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Give BA 33 A320's for free!! Cracking deal.

Me thinks not......

Human Factor

If the Airbus does make it to LGW Shorthaul, my bet is that it will be the A319s from LHR. Whether A330s would follow is anyone's guess. However, I am aware that it is a serious option. It also depends on the offer Boeing make with NGs.

I guarantee it will be one or the other and I have a feeling GB may not fit with this picture in it's current form.

tiggerific_69

Autobrake - i dont expect thanks from other crew. I expect acknowledgement from the parent company that when the **** hits the fan, WE help out,dont go on strike,and come to the rescue.You want to test my knowledge of other airlines? Go ahead, I used to be moderator on another airline forum, so my knowledge basis of airlines is pretty broad, thanks very much.
If you would like to cast your mind back, BA Connect used to be British Airways Citi Express, and we were a full service airline. Not low cost. So the majority of us dont even have this "attitude" which you mentioned.

One final point,which you made at the end:

"work for who you want and be satisfied or shut up!!!"

If BA crew have got these great terms and conditions,NSP etc, then WHY do they strike over it and disrupt people's lives?Why not just work for someone else,be satisfied and shut up??????


Good luck GB if this goes ahead...

Hand Solo

I don't wish to rain on your parade but BACon could barely 'rescue' 10% of BA's passengers if they had to. I used to be BAR at BHX and virtually every day we were 'rescuing' BACX's pax from EDI to BHX, from EDI to BRS ,from CDG to BRS, from BRU to BHX, from FRA to BHX and all without thanks. Thats life I'm afraid.

PS Don't forget to thank Titan for rescuing your passengers when the RJs were constantly tech.

Autobrake Low

tiggerific - I was expressing personal opinion that conditions were better for me at BA. In fact the very fact that the strong unions enable strike action (as a last resort) to protect those conditions, seem to indicate that it is not a bad place to be!!!! It stops people walking all over the workforce!
My underlying point is that you control your destiny - you choose who you work for - at least try and work for. How do you think you come across with constant moaning about big bad BA - not caring - all snobs - looking down on people? It does seem to suggest that you have the problem - especially as a I said before I have not seen any such attitude on personal levels within the airline.
If you are not happy to be sold off - relocated etc or whatever misfortune might befall you in your present outfit I would suggest that you move somewhere where that is least likely to happen!
As for 'knowledge of other airlines' - you may be the most wordly person on airline events but I dont see why it is a pre-requisite in order to avoid being arrogant by taking an interest in all business affairs. Aren't people entitled to sleep at night without worrying about how the chief exec of Cathay is going to incorporate Dragon air into the business model? Or how the new Thomas Cook/Mytravel model will shape the market? Some people just like to go to work and do the job and come home - surely thats not a state of arrogance!!

tallaonehotel

From Hand solo-"I don't wish to rain on your parade but BACon could barely 'rescue' 10% of BA's passengers if they had to. I used to be BAR at BHX and virtually every day we were 'rescuing' BACX's pax from EDI to BHX, from EDI to BRS ,from CDG to BRS, from BRU to BHX, from FRA to BHX and all without thanks. Thats life I'm afraid.
PS Don't forget to thank Titan for rescuing your passengers when the RJs were constantly tech".
Absolute b***ocks, BAR always refused BACX help in any way shape or form.
As I read this forum I'm glad I will be leaving BACON and the BA group at the end of this month.
I think the next few years will shape BA forever, about time someone went in for the kill to rid BA of all the overpaid and work shy mainline heathrow/waterworld mafia!!!.
I'll avoid Heathrow from now on, stick to a local airport to connect with the rest of the world.

tiggerific_69

well said talla!

Hand Solo

Oh really? I personally flew an A319 to HAM long after the route was handed to BACX because one of your Embraers was tech (again!). I lost count of the days I flew a load of BRS-bound pax back from CDG or EDI to BHX for them to be coached home after your Embraers went tech. I flew an A319 to BRU after we stopped serving it because BACX couldn't get any of their aircraft fit to operate the twice daily service. And do you know what? Not only were BAR paying you to operate the services, we didn't even charge you to run our aircraft to cover the service we were already paying you for. So lets not pretend you did it all by yourself with big bad mainline stitching you up.If it was left to BACX and their 'always tech' Embraers you'd still have pax stuck downroute!

Lots of love from an overpaid, workshy, 840hrs flown in last year on shorthaul Heathrow mainline pilot.