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Hi guys,
have been reading through the different EZY posts in here but still haven't got my own opinion...so here are a few simple Q's:
1-How is it to work there over all?Atmosphere and environment wise?
2-Is it true that the T&C advertised on their webside are not those they will be offering at MXP?If so what's the deal for MXP people (take home monthly income for both Cpt's and F/O)?
3-I know some of you will hate me for asking this.....what about DEC?I hear it will be a 319 base so what about 737 drivers with no BUS?
a few but very confused ideas.....
have been reading through the different EZY posts in here but still haven't got my own opinion...so here are a few simple Q's:
1-How is it to work there over all?Atmosphere and environment wise?
2-Is it true that the T&C advertised on their webside are not those they will be offering at MXP?If so what's the deal for MXP people (take home monthly income for both Cpt's and F/O)?
3-I know some of you will hate me for asking this.....what about DEC?I hear it will be a 319 base so what about 737 drivers with no BUS?
a few but very confused ideas.....
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Hi......
Easyjet is getting worse and worse by the day...people are leaving all over the system. The atmosphere is really bad at the moment. The new paydeal that is comming is giving us nothing and these are suppose to be the good times.....wonder how much bonus Mr Webster and Mr Winter are getting?
The rumour has it that all new bases are going to be Euro bases, wich is just a big joke...
Right now there are about 90! first officers that has passed their command assesment and are waiting for commands. This means about one to one and a half year to command. They have promissed not to take any DEC as long as there are people waiting for command...but then again thats is an easyjet promise so you never know....
Everybody your talking to are planning to leave and so am I....cant wait!!
I cant recommend easyjet in any respect....unless you want to work your ass off, be constantly tired, have no life, be used to the absolute limit, getting nothing from management, no days off when u need them.....could go on forever....
Best of luck!!
Soon to be ex easyjet.....
Easyjet is getting worse and worse by the day...people are leaving all over the system. The atmosphere is really bad at the moment. The new paydeal that is comming is giving us nothing and these are suppose to be the good times.....wonder how much bonus Mr Webster and Mr Winter are getting?
The rumour has it that all new bases are going to be Euro bases, wich is just a big joke...
Right now there are about 90! first officers that has passed their command assesment and are waiting for commands. This means about one to one and a half year to command. They have promissed not to take any DEC as long as there are people waiting for command...but then again thats is an easyjet promise so you never know....
Everybody your talking to are planning to leave and so am I....cant wait!!
I cant recommend easyjet in any respect....unless you want to work your ass off, be constantly tired, have no life, be used to the absolute limit, getting nothing from management, no days off when u need them.....could go on forever....
Best of luck!!
Soon to be ex easyjet.....
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some perspective on this topic.
1. Easy not bad to work for as there are many worse jobs.
2. Pay seems to be of an industry standard Capt UK takehome £4100 ish FO UK £3100 ish subject to sectors flown per month.
3. I dont get too wrapped up with it all and have a good day out as the crews are generally good people.
4. Those who are unhappy are looking to move on. Contrary to much opinion on these boards there are many who are happy and staying. I know of several who are going Long Haul but that seems to be a lifestyle issue.
5. 5/4/5/2 works for me and I dont feel to tired generally. I check in work and then go home. Roster stability at my home base pretty good.
6.Milan not sure have to wait and see although I have heard it is already heavily subscribed for.
1. Easy not bad to work for as there are many worse jobs.
2. Pay seems to be of an industry standard Capt UK takehome £4100 ish FO UK £3100 ish subject to sectors flown per month.
3. I dont get too wrapped up with it all and have a good day out as the crews are generally good people.
4. Those who are unhappy are looking to move on. Contrary to much opinion on these boards there are many who are happy and staying. I know of several who are going Long Haul but that seems to be a lifestyle issue.
5. 5/4/5/2 works for me and I dont feel to tired generally. I check in work and then go home. Roster stability at my home base pretty good.
6.Milan not sure have to wait and see although I have heard it is already heavily subscribed for.
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Well mingthemerciless....
Dont know if we are talking about the same easyjet....offcourse there are worse jobs. I have had much worse jobs than easy. But you have to put it into perspective to what it could and should be like. By the way you forgott to mention the pension wich is the worst of all airlines in the UK (BALPAs own words).
The 5/2/5/4 is not working very well specially not with up to 4 months of random roostering. My last reserve periode was over 100 hours with more or less 5/2/5/2....with changes almost every day....
Well the latest on the paydeal says we are going to lose the crewfood aswell. Things are just getting better and better in easy every day! And these are suppose to be the good days when most companys are hiring.
As I said if you can get another job - do it....
Dont know if we are talking about the same easyjet....offcourse there are worse jobs. I have had much worse jobs than easy. But you have to put it into perspective to what it could and should be like. By the way you forgott to mention the pension wich is the worst of all airlines in the UK (BALPAs own words).
The 5/2/5/4 is not working very well specially not with up to 4 months of random roostering. My last reserve periode was over 100 hours with more or less 5/2/5/2....with changes almost every day....
Well the latest on the paydeal says we are going to lose the crewfood aswell. Things are just getting better and better in easy every day! And these are suppose to be the good days when most companys are hiring.
As I said if you can get another job - do it....
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Flywin, you are just sooo negative. The sooner you leave, the happier eJ will be for the rest of us!
I agree with Ming. It isnt as bad as the whiners here make out. With 1300 pilots, you only hear from, what, 13 max here.... make your own conclusion.
What company doesnt have 1% moaners. Never happy.
I agree with Ming. It isnt as bad as the whiners here make out. With 1300 pilots, you only hear from, what, 13 max here.... make your own conclusion.
What company doesnt have 1% moaners. Never happy.
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outofsynch....you honestly think that there are only one percent of us who are moaning, that really does surprise me!
I am glad that you are happy with your lot, and I honestly mean that, but not many of us are. I personally would like EZY to reach its full potential, be the southwest of europe, not be a company of maybes and false promises. Thats not too much to ask for is it?
I am not a massive fan of this company at present but I really hope that management turn this company around, because if they dont alot of my friends will end up resenting aviation!!
Big love to everyone!!!
I am glad that you are happy with your lot, and I honestly mean that, but not many of us are. I personally would like EZY to reach its full potential, be the southwest of europe, not be a company of maybes and false promises. Thats not too much to ask for is it?
I am not a massive fan of this company at present but I really hope that management turn this company around, because if they dont alot of my friends will end up resenting aviation!!
Big love to everyone!!!
A little perspective on Ming's reply:
An SFO employed after March 03 (on TRSS) will take home now about £2350, not £3100. If you match eJ's pension contribution (7%) and you are in your 30's, expect a pension of around £10k pa.
There are some bases which are just fantastic to work out of. There are others where you will work your arse off for less pay, and spend the rest of your life in a taxi.
eJ is many different airlines. Hence many different opinions. In some bases the reserve period is even spent on standby!
Who knows what MXP will be like. But if it's anything like other recent continental start up bases, it will be excellent.
An SFO employed after March 03 (on TRSS) will take home now about £2350, not £3100. If you match eJ's pension contribution (7%) and you are in your 30's, expect a pension of around £10k pa.
There are some bases which are just fantastic to work out of. There are others where you will work your arse off for less pay, and spend the rest of your life in a taxi.
eJ is many different airlines. Hence many different opinions. In some bases the reserve period is even spent on standby!
Who knows what MXP will be like. But if it's anything like other recent continental start up bases, it will be excellent.
Ut Sementem Feeceris
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I too am happy at eJ. It's not perfect and a lot of things need sorting out - but that applies to ALL airlines. Yes you do work hard but it's not 4 sectors everyday as some would have you believe. I find my rosters to be split about 40% 2 sector 60% 4 sector. However some sectors are less than 60 minutes block time. I haven't had a change for over two weeks now (that's jinxed it!)
Every airline has its whingers and I agree with some of the whines
But overall there are MUCH worse jobs out there. For many guys, the choice to move on is lifestyle. If I wasn't married with 2.4 kids and was 15 years younger I'd be looking at long haul too - but it doesn't suit me now. Having spoken to some guys who have come TO eJ from long haul you'll be just as knackered from jetlag on your days off as we can be after 5 earlies. And then once you've recovered you're off in the opposite direction round the globe ..... that can't be good long term, can it?
Commands. I appreciate DEC's are a contentious issue but the Command courses are starting in February with a view to clearing it by the end of next year - about 60-80 commands. If you want a Command eJ has to be one of the fastest places (relatively speaking) that you'll achieve it provided you're up to standard. I see guys leaving going to BA (shorthaul) and Monarch who are now looking at 10 years minimum to the LHS.
Overall, the crews are great, standards are high, the flying is varied and new routes are coming all the time. Yes we have our problems but hopefully these issues can be addressed with time.
There are a lot of people in eJ for the long term so it's in our interests to make it better - not just tolerable.
Fly safe.
A4
I too am happy at eJ. It's not perfect and a lot of things need sorting out - but that applies to ALL airlines. Yes you do work hard but it's not 4 sectors everyday as some would have you believe. I find my rosters to be split about 40% 2 sector 60% 4 sector. However some sectors are less than 60 minutes block time. I haven't had a change for over two weeks now (that's jinxed it!)
Every airline has its whingers and I agree with some of the whines
But overall there are MUCH worse jobs out there. For many guys, the choice to move on is lifestyle. If I wasn't married with 2.4 kids and was 15 years younger I'd be looking at long haul too - but it doesn't suit me now. Having spoken to some guys who have come TO eJ from long haul you'll be just as knackered from jetlag on your days off as we can be after 5 earlies. And then once you've recovered you're off in the opposite direction round the globe ..... that can't be good long term, can it?Commands. I appreciate DEC's are a contentious issue but the Command courses are starting in February with a view to clearing it by the end of next year - about 60-80 commands. If you want a Command eJ has to be one of the fastest places (relatively speaking) that you'll achieve it provided you're up to standard. I see guys leaving going to BA (shorthaul) and Monarch who are now looking at 10 years minimum to the LHS.
Overall, the crews are great, standards are high, the flying is varied and new routes are coming all the time. Yes we have our problems but hopefully these issues can be addressed with time.
There are a lot of people in eJ for the long term so it's in our interests to make it better - not just tolerable.
Fly safe.
A4
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Hi outofsynch,
Yes I am negative and realistic....just because easy could be a very nice airline to work for but it is not! It would not take much to make easy a good career airline.
BUT as long as we have a management that treats us like s..t easy will never be a carreer airline. Why? Because the management dont want us to stay....
It would not be hard to implement some easy things to make it a really nice place to work... But with the new 5/2/5/4, up to 4 months of random roostering the new paydeal wich gives us nothing...you just cant be anything else than negative....
My last reserve period I had 104 hours and the rooster said 5/2/5/2 all month....GREAT!
The latest offer from easy that came out on Saturday they acctually offered us 2% salary increase, take away the crewfood, and pension up by 7%......what an insult!!!! I thought this where supposed to be the good times.....
What we need is a rooster that says 5/4/5/4, senioritylist, better pension, a payscale, a management that take care of their pilots, a leave system that works.
Of course there are jobs that are worse than easy, BUT there are also alot of jobs out there that are alot better!
Interesting to see what Mr Webster and Mr Winter are getting in leaving bonus....
Yes I am negative and realistic....just because easy could be a very nice airline to work for but it is not! It would not take much to make easy a good career airline.
BUT as long as we have a management that treats us like s..t easy will never be a carreer airline. Why? Because the management dont want us to stay....
It would not be hard to implement some easy things to make it a really nice place to work... But with the new 5/2/5/4, up to 4 months of random roostering the new paydeal wich gives us nothing...you just cant be anything else than negative....
My last reserve period I had 104 hours and the rooster said 5/2/5/2 all month....GREAT!
The latest offer from easy that came out on Saturday they acctually offered us 2% salary increase, take away the crewfood, and pension up by 7%......what an insult!!!! I thought this where supposed to be the good times.....
What we need is a rooster that says 5/4/5/4, senioritylist, better pension, a payscale, a management that take care of their pilots, a leave system that works.
Of course there are jobs that are worse than easy, BUT there are also alot of jobs out there that are alot better!
Interesting to see what Mr Webster and Mr Winter are getting in leaving bonus....
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We have 7% from the easyJet already so does that mean we're going to get an employer contribution of 14% total 
or is that just wishful thinking.
The post is slow down here so no BALPA letter delivered yet.
or is that just wishful thinking.The post is slow down here so no BALPA letter delivered yet.
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allrite things are clearing up in my mind post by post...
a few more questions:
1-did you guys go through previous bad times in EZY?how did the company react?are they good at problem solving?
2-what's the story about the new pay deal?and what about UK/EU different contracts?what's the difference between the 2?
3-any chance of MXP DEC for a 73 driver without a BUS on his licence?
a few more questions:
1-did you guys go through previous bad times in EZY?how did the company react?are they good at problem solving?
2-what's the story about the new pay deal?and what about UK/EU different contracts?what's the difference between the 2?
3-any chance of MXP DEC for a 73 driver without a BUS on his licence?
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Hi,
Yes unfortunately bad things happens almost on a everyday basis...and no they are not good at solving them. After 3 looong years in easy I have so many stories to tell you wouldent belive it....Management, crewing and the whole operation I would say was not to bad when I joined but now....They treat every situation to their benifit. As I said if u want any examples just let me know...
The latest thing about the paydeal is that easy has offered us 2% payrise, take away the crewfood and raise pension by 7%....INSULT!
The euro deal will be different from country to country. It means you will get salary according to the living cost in the country and pay tax where you work...
The chances of DEC to MXP I would say are about zero. Easy has said now - no more DEC until the list of FOs waiting for command is zero. All new hires in the company is also going to be TRSS....
Good job hunting....
Yes unfortunately bad things happens almost on a everyday basis...and no they are not good at solving them. After 3 looong years in easy I have so many stories to tell you wouldent belive it....Management, crewing and the whole operation I would say was not to bad when I joined but now....They treat every situation to their benifit. As I said if u want any examples just let me know...
The latest thing about the paydeal is that easy has offered us 2% payrise, take away the crewfood and raise pension by 7%....INSULT!
The euro deal will be different from country to country. It means you will get salary according to the living cost in the country and pay tax where you work...
The chances of DEC to MXP I would say are about zero. Easy has said now - no more DEC until the list of FOs waiting for command is zero. All new hires in the company is also going to be TRSS....
Good job hunting....
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Some clarification:
Pay Rise: 2.1%
Pension: an increase from 7% to 9% but lose crew food.
Loyalty bonus: tinker with it so it disadvantages us.
Continental Crew: not to receive a pay rise in anticipation of receiving a lower salary on "local working conditions".
Did I hear "Strike"? Get the donkey jackets out and placards out
Bring it on
this has been a looong time coming.
Anybody not in BALPA now is the time to join. We need your help to succeed.
Pay Rise: 2.1%
Pension: an increase from 7% to 9% but lose crew food.
Loyalty bonus: tinker with it so it disadvantages us.
Continental Crew: not to receive a pay rise in anticipation of receiving a lower salary on "local working conditions".
Did I hear "Strike"? Get the donkey jackets out and placards out
Bring it on
this has been a looong time coming.Anybody not in BALPA now is the time to join. We need your help to succeed.
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I am one of those who in the past have been a consistent defender of easyJet. I wish at the outset to nail my colours to the mast and say I would in principle like to remain at easyJet for the rest of my career. To make me stay the company would not have to try too hard. However, for reasons best known to themselves, our board/managers seem to have put themselves on a direct collision course with the pilot community. My own assessment is that there are significant problems which could so easily have been avoided.
The deal at easyJet is basically OK if you are a captain (approx £4300 take home if you pay min pension). The real problem lies in the perception that we are not a 'career airline'. In practice this boils down to 3 issues - the 5/2-5/4 rostering system which has generally proven to be exhausting for most of us, the dismal pension scheme (7% from the company) and no private healthcare. When taken together this has created a widespread impression that the company simply does want pilots to make a long term commitment to the company. The pension alone would guarantee poverty in your old age without massive shoring up from your own pay.
The next area where it has gone wrong is the hot rumour that the company are going to make a big profit for the last year (£60m mentioned but no one knows yet). Despite this, our current pay offer is 2.1% over the coming year (less for the non-UK bases), an increase of 2% in the pension scheme if we give up our in-flight food and an effective reduction in our loyalty bonus – although all is not lost as our managers will receive generous bonuses! Taking into account inflation this is actually a pay cut!
The final area of creeping discontent has been what could be described as crass ineptitude in handling sensitive issues by our managers. These include the sending of a frankly offensive e-mail to all Gatwick-based pilots from our Flt Ops Director. In it he dismissed all complaints about difficulties at the base and concluded with a promise of even harder work to come and the offer of 'fatigue management' to help us cope better! To say this letter has been badly received by one and all would be an extremely generous view! Other issues inlcude the hiring of DECs while we have literally scores of excellent FOs awaiting command courses, base transfer fiascos which among other things favour new entrants over current employees, a leave allocation system which is completeley random and unjust plus an ongoing dispute involving a number of FOs and their unpaid loyalty bonuses. The last issue was exacerbated by the fact that some FOs were paid in full by mistake and others were not. To cap it all, our Recruitment Manager was quoted in Flight last week as saying that the company would be recruiting even more DECs despite there being an ever-growing group of FOs awaiting promotion. This list of frankly avoidable problems are down to straight mismanagement by our Flt Ops Department. They could and should all have been easily resolved through simple communication and have not been. In essence the pilots have lost all confidence in their immediate managers. Frankly, if the new CEO knew what chaos and ill-feeling his 'managers' had generated, his first act would be to sack some of them because they have created major industrial problems that just did not need to be there.
I therefore have to humbly disagree with my colleagues mingthemerciless and outofsynch about the current state of easyJet. It is hard to even recognise the 'happy ship' they seem to be part of. I can only tell you my own personal experience of the last few months where the universal discussion on nearly every working day are these problems and the other jobs that are out there. I cannot give an exact figure but my feeling is that well in excess of 60% of the FOs I fly with are actively applying for other jobs and are just waiting to hear. The sad thing is that so much of this current hassle is within our management's power to deal with but they are failing to do so. It is bad enough they have failed to do their basic jobs regarding the grievances I have mentioned. To now effectively impose a pay cut while they and our illustrious board members get big bonuses is a recipe for serious discord and ultimately strike action. This could be such a good company but as I have said previously 'the ship is being spoiled for a hape'worth of tar!'
The deal at easyJet is basically OK if you are a captain (approx £4300 take home if you pay min pension). The real problem lies in the perception that we are not a 'career airline'. In practice this boils down to 3 issues - the 5/2-5/4 rostering system which has generally proven to be exhausting for most of us, the dismal pension scheme (7% from the company) and no private healthcare. When taken together this has created a widespread impression that the company simply does want pilots to make a long term commitment to the company. The pension alone would guarantee poverty in your old age without massive shoring up from your own pay.
The next area where it has gone wrong is the hot rumour that the company are going to make a big profit for the last year (£60m mentioned but no one knows yet). Despite this, our current pay offer is 2.1% over the coming year (less for the non-UK bases), an increase of 2% in the pension scheme if we give up our in-flight food and an effective reduction in our loyalty bonus – although all is not lost as our managers will receive generous bonuses! Taking into account inflation this is actually a pay cut!
The final area of creeping discontent has been what could be described as crass ineptitude in handling sensitive issues by our managers. These include the sending of a frankly offensive e-mail to all Gatwick-based pilots from our Flt Ops Director. In it he dismissed all complaints about difficulties at the base and concluded with a promise of even harder work to come and the offer of 'fatigue management' to help us cope better! To say this letter has been badly received by one and all would be an extremely generous view! Other issues inlcude the hiring of DECs while we have literally scores of excellent FOs awaiting command courses, base transfer fiascos which among other things favour new entrants over current employees, a leave allocation system which is completeley random and unjust plus an ongoing dispute involving a number of FOs and their unpaid loyalty bonuses. The last issue was exacerbated by the fact that some FOs were paid in full by mistake and others were not. To cap it all, our Recruitment Manager was quoted in Flight last week as saying that the company would be recruiting even more DECs despite there being an ever-growing group of FOs awaiting promotion. This list of frankly avoidable problems are down to straight mismanagement by our Flt Ops Department. They could and should all have been easily resolved through simple communication and have not been. In essence the pilots have lost all confidence in their immediate managers. Frankly, if the new CEO knew what chaos and ill-feeling his 'managers' had generated, his first act would be to sack some of them because they have created major industrial problems that just did not need to be there.
I therefore have to humbly disagree with my colleagues mingthemerciless and outofsynch about the current state of easyJet. It is hard to even recognise the 'happy ship' they seem to be part of. I can only tell you my own personal experience of the last few months where the universal discussion on nearly every working day are these problems and the other jobs that are out there. I cannot give an exact figure but my feeling is that well in excess of 60% of the FOs I fly with are actively applying for other jobs and are just waiting to hear. The sad thing is that so much of this current hassle is within our management's power to deal with but they are failing to do so. It is bad enough they have failed to do their basic jobs regarding the grievances I have mentioned. To now effectively impose a pay cut while they and our illustrious board members get big bonuses is a recipe for serious discord and ultimately strike action. This could be such a good company but as I have said previously 'the ship is being spoiled for a hape'worth of tar!'
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To Norman Stanley Fletcher....
This letter should be sent to the new CEO or management. It sums up more or less all the problems we face. (would like to add some....)
Really well spoken Norman Stanley Fletcher, and as you say I am not shure that mingthemerciless and outofsynch are flying in the same easyjet as the rest of us....
Happy job hunting everybody.....
This letter should be sent to the new CEO or management. It sums up more or less all the problems we face. (would like to add some....)
Really well spoken Norman Stanley Fletcher, and as you say I am not shure that mingthemerciless and outofsynch are flying in the same easyjet as the rest of us....
Happy job hunting everybody.....
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STRIKE !!!!!!!
To Rick Binson:
It is very sad but this management will never stop this kind of attitude until we all stand up together and leave the aircraft on the ramp for 24H !!!!!! I am ready for that (got some serious previous experience) but as I asked already before, how many pilots in this company are ready to go on strike?
To Norman Stanley Fletcher:
Excellent letter mate !!! Nothing to add.
TIME FOR SOME ACTION !!!!!!!!!!!!
It is very sad but this management will never stop this kind of attitude until we all stand up together and leave the aircraft on the ramp for 24H !!!!!! I am ready for that (got some serious previous experience) but as I asked already before, how many pilots in this company are ready to go on strike?
To Norman Stanley Fletcher:
Excellent letter mate !!! Nothing to add.
TIME FOR SOME ACTION !!!!!!!!!!!!
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I know for a fact eJ are still taking on DEC, Boeing rated, and putting them through Airbus courses to leapfrog over the heads of guys waiting for a command trainiing slot.
People are our greatest resource.....
.......whatevever.
People are our greatest resource.....
.......whatevever.
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Well said Wings 737!!!!! enough is enough, lets show them who are there greatest asset....the ones they wouldent have a buisness without....
Lets go for 24 hours!!!!!!
To Oleo, are you shure about this? Are they not just interviewing for DECs? Have there been any DEC in the last 3-5 months on the bus?
Happy job hunting!!
Lets go for 24 hours!!!!!!
To Oleo, are you shure about this? Are they not just interviewing for DECs? Have there been any DEC in the last 3-5 months on the bus?
Happy job hunting!!
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I flew last month with a new captain, hired three month ago, DEC from airberlin, and he wasn't Airbus rated!!! He is based in SXF.
Stop believing what the management says in this company.
They do whatever they want !!
Stop believing what the management says in this company.
They do whatever they want !!