Air Mauritius defies IFALPA
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Well,Well ! Wasn't this predictable ?... I think bird flu will hit this island of misery soon ! Of course crews will be affected ! this is how viruses get in, 200 years ago by ship now aircraft .
No gross misconduct, just rotten bad luck hey old chap ? What a bummer ! totally ruined my Xmas day a home ... NOT !!!
Wonder who will fill in the empty driver seats of the A340 ?...
By the way how many stops would an ATR 42 require to fly from here to , say, Paris ?...
No gross misconduct, just rotten bad luck hey old chap ? What a bummer ! totally ruined my Xmas day a home ... NOT !!!
Wonder who will fill in the empty driver seats of the A340 ?...
By the way how many stops would an ATR 42 require to fly from here to , say, Paris ?...
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By the way how many stops would an ATR 42 require to fly from here to , say, Paris ?...
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Oooh La La, oh my, a sad state of affairs indeed. Sorry to hear that guys, perhaps this Xmas wont be too jolly after all.
Good point about Derek Brown, hope someone takes heed?
How is Dr RR doing? Surely with crew shortage, they must be in need of his assistance by now. Is he back on the roster yet?
Good point about Derek Brown, hope someone takes heed?
How is Dr RR doing? Surely with crew shortage, they must be in need of his assistance by now. Is he back on the roster yet?
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Hi boys and girls, just heard that the AEA (expats) turned down MK latest offer. Another stunning win for management! What is there to say? Midas touch this aint.
Read this thread and read Ryannair. If only both islands could join forces (the bar talk would be awsome) but the combined strength could be pretty spectacular too. The sad fact is, as has been said, that the more operators who get away with stuff, inch by inch, the more plausible it becomes to the big guys. Thre's a pilot shortage. If they can't get operators in the next few years, then how do they fly the ever increasing flights? by fiddling the rosters, elasticing the the FTL's, turrning contactables into duty days, parking you in the hangar on standbys and bonding your kids. Think about it. This is just the beginning, we need to move now and fast.
Read this thread and read Ryannair. If only both islands could join forces (the bar talk would be awsome) but the combined strength could be pretty spectacular too. The sad fact is, as has been said, that the more operators who get away with stuff, inch by inch, the more plausible it becomes to the big guys. Thre's a pilot shortage. If they can't get operators in the next few years, then how do they fly the ever increasing flights? by fiddling the rosters, elasticing the the FTL's, turrning contactables into duty days, parking you in the hangar on standbys and bonding your kids. Think about it. This is just the beginning, we need to move now and fast.
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Back on my island, the land of the long white cloud there is an
aviation saying that goes :
If you think safety is mighty expensive try having a crash...
Food for thought...
aviation saying that goes :
If you think safety is mighty expensive try having a crash...
Food for thought...
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Hello boys and girls!
Ouside the UK CAA, there is something that looks like a tombstone, with the following written on it:
"Safety is no accident"
Now, go and tell that to Dave Gibb who is now re-interpreting the CAP371 for all of us as the UK CAA expert trotting the world!
So, will IFALPA and BALPA do something, or are they all teethless tigers?
Elvis has jumped out of the building
Ouside the UK CAA, there is something that looks like a tombstone, with the following written on it:
"Safety is no accident"
Now, go and tell that to Dave Gibb who is now re-interpreting the CAP371 for all of us as the UK CAA expert trotting the world!
So, will IFALPA and BALPA do something, or are they all teethless tigers?
Elvis has jumped out of the building
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The only thing I have heard lately, apart from the deafening silence from management, is the slowly mounting roar of solidarity from ground staff, cabin crew, office staff and even those poor souls holed up in fawlty towers in Port Louis. I wonder if the 'powers that be' have even the remotest idea of how unpopular their position is and how hard they will have to work to recover if they keep this up. There comes a point when there is strength in masses and they would have to be blind to think that they have anything going for them, other than each other.
People are getting angry about this... and who can blame them. Three months de-rostered, still no reason why, the only thing that HASN'T changed is the managements insistence that RR has a psych assessment because he asked IFALPA if the union could have clarification on complaints he had received from his membership!!! Merry Christmas RR, may the New Year be a better one. Courage mon vieux!
People are getting angry about this... and who can blame them. Three months de-rostered, still no reason why, the only thing that HASN'T changed is the managements insistence that RR has a psych assessment because he asked IFALPA if the union could have clarification on complaints he had received from his membership!!! Merry Christmas RR, may the New Year be a better one. Courage mon vieux!
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We wish you a merry Christmas,
From the top floor of Air Mauritius,
We wish you a Merry Christmas
And a word in your ear...
Glad tidings we bring,
To you and your kin,
There's nothing too malicious
That we won't bring in.
We wish you a Merry Christmas,
Why do you think we are capricious
How can you think that it's so vicious,
The way you're treated here?
Glad tidings we bring,
There's just one more thing,
We wish you a Merry Christmas
And good luck next year!
From the top floor of Air Mauritius,
We wish you a Merry Christmas
And a word in your ear...
Glad tidings we bring,
To you and your kin,
There's nothing too malicious
That we won't bring in.
We wish you a Merry Christmas,
Why do you think we are capricious
How can you think that it's so vicious,
The way you're treated here?
Glad tidings we bring,
There's just one more thing,
We wish you a Merry Christmas
And good luck next year!
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The latest I have is as follows:
-PB and stooges still want Russ to do a psych (because his illegal derostering they created is stressing him) plus loads of other preconditions to his rerostering; seen the guy today: out of all the beings, he looks like the one with the least of stress under the given circumstances of aircrafts AoG and mayhem to get flights out, lack of crew, people being asked to accept days off after their rostered duties have been performed etc...;
-Latest expat package was rejected (can't believe that our negotiating team fell for that one... do they really believe in Father Xmas? I know it is the season, but c'mmon guys, grow up. CH and CM and JvJ are still there with their figures poisoning the new MD);
-More pilots have resigned, including some blue-eyed boys who got fast track in MK (they were good, but their fast track put them over a few other guys).
Meanwhile, government continuing to open up the skies; gulf carriers uping their packages; MK still playing games with its pilots' packages; MK still playing games with Russ (they still don't have ANYTHING against the guy, so looks like they boxed themselves into a corner here but are not bright enough to see that they are causing more damage to themselves, especially top management, since PB is only pulling the strings from behind the scenes... The day this mess gets cleared, all will look at Port Louis and think: "what a bunch of pilot hating idiots..." Nobody will remember that the actual puppeteer was one PB, assisted by his cronies)
The new Managing Director is loosing his credibility fast, very fast. Still procastinating on Russ's case and the new pilot package: any independent outside observer would correct to express very genuine doubts about his ability to steer our company through a REAL crisis. He does not look like he has the goodies to drive such a company, especially in such critical times. The government would be well advised to review its appointee. Nirvan is no Nash, be it in terms of carisma, brights, balls and freedom of action. Sad to see that this time around Ramgoolam does not seem to have a trump card like Nash Mallam-Hassam to through on the table and let him sort out the mess
The new Chairman and his board of Directors not being in control of their Managing Director look like White Elephants in an Ivory Tower: vast sums of money just wasted on them to allow serious crisises to perdure... What is AF, AI and BA going to say about that, let alone the other big shareholders such as Rogers etc? Do they want one of the rare airlines in the world still making money could carry on doing so if properly managed... Otherwise their money is going down the drain as we speak...
All MK staff
A lot of food for thought, especially when you look at the great poem that bjoe1 has come up with! There is no smoke without fire! Think of it
-PB and stooges still want Russ to do a psych (because his illegal derostering they created is stressing him) plus loads of other preconditions to his rerostering; seen the guy today: out of all the beings, he looks like the one with the least of stress under the given circumstances of aircrafts AoG and mayhem to get flights out, lack of crew, people being asked to accept days off after their rostered duties have been performed etc...;
-Latest expat package was rejected (can't believe that our negotiating team fell for that one... do they really believe in Father Xmas? I know it is the season, but c'mmon guys, grow up. CH and CM and JvJ are still there with their figures poisoning the new MD);
-More pilots have resigned, including some blue-eyed boys who got fast track in MK (they were good, but their fast track put them over a few other guys).
Meanwhile, government continuing to open up the skies; gulf carriers uping their packages; MK still playing games with its pilots' packages; MK still playing games with Russ (they still don't have ANYTHING against the guy, so looks like they boxed themselves into a corner here but are not bright enough to see that they are causing more damage to themselves, especially top management, since PB is only pulling the strings from behind the scenes... The day this mess gets cleared, all will look at Port Louis and think: "what a bunch of pilot hating idiots..." Nobody will remember that the actual puppeteer was one PB, assisted by his cronies)
The new Managing Director is loosing his credibility fast, very fast. Still procastinating on Russ's case and the new pilot package: any independent outside observer would correct to express very genuine doubts about his ability to steer our company through a REAL crisis. He does not look like he has the goodies to drive such a company, especially in such critical times. The government would be well advised to review its appointee. Nirvan is no Nash, be it in terms of carisma, brights, balls and freedom of action. Sad to see that this time around Ramgoolam does not seem to have a trump card like Nash Mallam-Hassam to through on the table and let him sort out the mess
The new Chairman and his board of Directors not being in control of their Managing Director look like White Elephants in an Ivory Tower: vast sums of money just wasted on them to allow serious crisises to perdure... What is AF, AI and BA going to say about that, let alone the other big shareholders such as Rogers etc? Do they want one of the rare airlines in the world still making money could carry on doing so if properly managed... Otherwise their money is going down the drain as we speak...
All MK staff
A lot of food for thought, especially when you look at the great poem that bjoe1 has come up with! There is no smoke without fire! Think of it
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no guts no money
Everyone here puts the blame on MK management team, that's true that they just want to f...k us but are they so different from other companies managements? In my view the main difference lies within us pilots and unions! We are unable to UNITE and ACT, our only power is strike or sick day. As professionals it is our duty now to react strongly to what is going on within MK: we have to stop this mess before it is too late. We should already have reacted against Russ derostering but we did not, shame on us!!! The management has been laughing at us for nearly 2 years now with those fake Mou negotiations and they keep on pushing everyday. WE HAVE A CLEAR RESPONSIBILITY ABOUT ALL THAT AND WE HAVE TO MAKE OURSELVES IF NOT UNDERSTOOD AT LEAST HEARD. Today, this responsability goes further than the mere MK survival or safety level, with the latest notice implementing days off in layover as standard rostering pratice we are setting a new benchmark in african aviation that will soon, no doubt about it, spread to other goodwilling companies!!!
Today it is in everyone's personnal interest to unite and ACT.
NO GUTS, NO GLORY
Today it is in everyone's personnal interest to unite and ACT.
NO GUTS, NO GLORY
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Days Off
About that latest "Days Off" memo. If they include your days off whilst you are overseas, does that mean you dont get days off on the island. I recall the FTL saying something along the line of "If the crew member require or request". So they cant force you to have days off or can they? If so, this would give a new meaning to "living out of a suitcase".
000....You are right management all over the world will try cutting cost and increase profit, some do it effectively and some not so. It appears that MK management have focused their efforts on the pilots salary, which they feel are earning too much. I wonder if they have reviewed their own packages. Perhaps the management team can help this company by reaching into their own pockets. Their could be a whole new thread about the money wasted on management who have come there and walked away with very tidy sums and not fulfilling their roles and doing their full contract, and the cars............
You are also right about pilots need to unite and be one voice. Problem will be, does everyone have the same agenda in mind??????
NV has been handed a sinking ship thanks to his predecessor MP. Unfortunately all companies run on figures and coincidently just around election, MP stands tall(short) and claims they have made the biggest profit ever, whislt during negotiations saying that company is suffering. MP caused a lot of damaged to MK and walked away with a nice little payout.
So now NV and his team will be trying to rebuilt MP's f*** ups. Rumours has it they have good ideas and everyone seems very positive about changes ahead. All that in mind, How does the latest negotiations look?????
INCHALLAH
000....You are right management all over the world will try cutting cost and increase profit, some do it effectively and some not so. It appears that MK management have focused their efforts on the pilots salary, which they feel are earning too much. I wonder if they have reviewed their own packages. Perhaps the management team can help this company by reaching into their own pockets. Their could be a whole new thread about the money wasted on management who have come there and walked away with very tidy sums and not fulfilling their roles and doing their full contract, and the cars............
You are also right about pilots need to unite and be one voice. Problem will be, does everyone have the same agenda in mind??????
NV has been handed a sinking ship thanks to his predecessor MP. Unfortunately all companies run on figures and coincidently just around election, MP stands tall(short) and claims they have made the biggest profit ever, whislt during negotiations saying that company is suffering. MP caused a lot of damaged to MK and walked away with a nice little payout.
So now NV and his team will be trying to rebuilt MP's f*** ups. Rumours has it they have good ideas and everyone seems very positive about changes ahead. All that in mind, How does the latest negotiations look?????
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Rodderr Boote
OOO
Too many of us only whinge, whine and complain. "I will not allow this to happen", "I am not operating that flight", "Let the Chief Pilot go and do it", "Why doesn't the DFO fly one of these" etc etc etc. We HAVE heard it all. We all complain. We all talk. And talk is all we do. I agree with OOO, what have we done for Russ? For once, someone stood up for ALL of us, and instead of TALKING, he ACTED. Result: they shoot Russ in flames, and we still get calls from the CPs asking us for favours "You know, this flight will be grounded. Please operate it. Arrange with X/Y/Z for any flight requets/dyas off request/ your leave will be OK" Followed by a silent wink, wink... We oblige and let ourselves down. I learnt an expression in Mauritius: "Rodderr boote" which literally transaltes as a "someone who seeks some sort of advantage/gain"
As a group of highly skilled professionals, with hi IQs (we have to keep proving that all the time, especially in MK!!!) we have NO guts! Expect NO glory either, then. We did not only let Russ down and failed to support him, we let ourselves down, and failed to support not only one another but ourselves individually. We all ARE "Rodderr bootes". It is very easy to criticise, we all have mouths to feed, nappies to buy, electricity bills and old parents. But if WE don't stand for oursleves and those who stand for us, WHO will? (Russ did! Did we for him?)
Food for thought
In my view the main difference lies within us pilots and unions! We are unable to UNITE and ACT, our only power is strike or sick day. As professionals it is our duty now to react strongly to what is going on within MK: we have to stop this mess before it is too late. We should already have reacted against Russ derostering but we did not, shame on us!!!
Too many of us only whinge, whine and complain. "I will not allow this to happen", "I am not operating that flight", "Let the Chief Pilot go and do it", "Why doesn't the DFO fly one of these" etc etc etc. We HAVE heard it all. We all complain. We all talk. And talk is all we do. I agree with OOO, what have we done for Russ? For once, someone stood up for ALL of us, and instead of TALKING, he ACTED. Result: they shoot Russ in flames, and we still get calls from the CPs asking us for favours "You know, this flight will be grounded. Please operate it. Arrange with X/Y/Z for any flight requets/dyas off request/ your leave will be OK" Followed by a silent wink, wink... We oblige and let ourselves down. I learnt an expression in Mauritius: "Rodderr boote" which literally transaltes as a "someone who seeks some sort of advantage/gain"
As a group of highly skilled professionals, with hi IQs (we have to keep proving that all the time, especially in MK!!!) we have NO guts! Expect NO glory either, then. We did not only let Russ down and failed to support him, we let ourselves down, and failed to support not only one another but ourselves individually. We all ARE "Rodderr bootes". It is very easy to criticise, we all have mouths to feed, nappies to buy, electricity bills and old parents. But if WE don't stand for oursleves and those who stand for us, WHO will? (Russ did! Did we for him?)
Food for thought
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Hello boys and girls!
So I see that GE CF6 has turned towards philosophy of late... "Good on ya, mate!" as they would say Down Unde'.
Have a little read about a pilots' pilot, who flew Spits (and others) by the seat of his pants, who has recently left us for a higher Flight Level. His name is Ray Hanna. A master in his own class. Tribute to him and the likes. RIP
On a slightly more earthly note, I think that the last posts have been excellent. I am glad that GECF6 is less vitriolic. (See, you can get some very good points across whilst being politically correct)
I thought that this was what pilot unions were all about and thatt IFALPA was to be the Global Voice of Pilots!
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So I see that GE CF6 has turned towards philosophy of late... "Good on ya, mate!" as they would say Down Unde'.
Have a little read about a pilots' pilot, who flew Spits (and others) by the seat of his pants, who has recently left us for a higher Flight Level. His name is Ray Hanna. A master in his own class. Tribute to him and the likes. RIP
On a slightly more earthly note, I think that the last posts have been excellent. I am glad that GECF6 is less vitriolic. (See, you can get some very good points across whilst being politically correct)
WE HAVE A CLEAR RESPONSIBILITY ABOUT ALL THAT AND WE HAVE TO MAKE OURSELVES IF NOT UNDERSTOOD AT LEAST HEARD
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How a unique and open culture treats its staff......
Something that has been pinched form a thread "next door" about an "orange" operator in the Skies of HM QE2...
"First, this is based on the fact that the opening statement so true.
Why not just go 'sick' due to the beligerent, uncaring, hypocritical, stress provoking attitude from their majesties. For suitable treatment it is necessary to adjourn to the caring breast of one's true loved ones.
Call their bluff, or damp f@#t, and if they turn nasty, as is almost guaranteed, there is always the industrial tribunal lurking poised in the background. And, then again, there is always BALPA, for whom this type of negotiation was made; as is any union. This is not a poke at them, just an invitation for them to show their mettle. Even if this guy is not a member, the principle is worth fighting for and would be their greatest recruiting gambit yet. But please do not reply on this as a BALPA thread. This is much more about the gutless hypocritical management. Where is a REAL chief pilot when you need one? Perhaps a letter direct to the new MD might help. It used to work when sent to the Queen; but then again, the orange ones are a bunch of fairies.
Perhaps the new boss will accept the wonderful political opportunity to introduce a new fresh friendly atmosphere and wash away the poison of so many years.
Good luck."
Sounds like the local new guy in that outfit might still have a chance to get it right. Meanwhile, in Air Mauritius, NV has to be "officially" appointed at a special meeting of MK shareholders in a few days. He's been around for almost 2 1/2 months, but besides sweet talking us, has not done anything either for the pilots or for Ruslan in particular. If one had to examine what he has achieved for us, veterans of the blue skies, only one word exists: NOTHING! If I land in the grass tomorrow, my boss will skin me. Who is going to skin Neervan? The new Chairman? AF? BA? AI? I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel!
As a lot have already said, used to be a "great little airline". No more. Time to vote with my feet!
"First, this is based on the fact that the opening statement so true.
Why not just go 'sick' due to the beligerent, uncaring, hypocritical, stress provoking attitude from their majesties. For suitable treatment it is necessary to adjourn to the caring breast of one's true loved ones.
Call their bluff, or damp f@#t, and if they turn nasty, as is almost guaranteed, there is always the industrial tribunal lurking poised in the background. And, then again, there is always BALPA, for whom this type of negotiation was made; as is any union. This is not a poke at them, just an invitation for them to show their mettle. Even if this guy is not a member, the principle is worth fighting for and would be their greatest recruiting gambit yet. But please do not reply on this as a BALPA thread. This is much more about the gutless hypocritical management. Where is a REAL chief pilot when you need one? Perhaps a letter direct to the new MD might help. It used to work when sent to the Queen; but then again, the orange ones are a bunch of fairies.
Perhaps the new boss will accept the wonderful political opportunity to introduce a new fresh friendly atmosphere and wash away the poison of so many years.
Good luck."
Sounds like the local new guy in that outfit might still have a chance to get it right. Meanwhile, in Air Mauritius, NV has to be "officially" appointed at a special meeting of MK shareholders in a few days. He's been around for almost 2 1/2 months, but besides sweet talking us, has not done anything either for the pilots or for Ruslan in particular. If one had to examine what he has achieved for us, veterans of the blue skies, only one word exists: NOTHING! If I land in the grass tomorrow, my boss will skin me. Who is going to skin Neervan? The new Chairman? AF? BA? AI? I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel!
As a lot have already said, used to be a "great little airline". No more. Time to vote with my feet!
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Between poets (that was simply brilliant, that was BJOE1) and philosophers on this thread, here, so what's up?
On my side, I heard that bird flue is moving very fast to Mauritius..... Who will fill MANY empty seats?
On my side, I heard that bird flue is moving very fast to Mauritius..... Who will fill MANY empty seats?
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After waiting in vain for a phone call from the management over the last days, the unions have had to file their cases at the tribunal today. No call, no deal, not even some kind of (even) lame excuse!
So, can those airbuses of ours fly themselves? I would like to sip on my cold beer on the beach in Pointe D'Esny and look at one of those suckers fly itself into the sunset... Now, that is what I call flying!
PS: Hope that the senior cabin crew will not have too much of trouble getting through to Airbus IT support hotline somewhere in Bangalore to ask what to do next when the computers on the flight deck have just gone flickering and that the FMS is saying "Fatal Error 23b965c45a. This program will be terminated in 30seconds"...
Oooopsy daisy!
So, can those airbuses of ours fly themselves? I would like to sip on my cold beer on the beach in Pointe D'Esny and look at one of those suckers fly itself into the sunset... Now, that is what I call flying!
PS: Hope that the senior cabin crew will not have too much of trouble getting through to Airbus IT support hotline somewhere in Bangalore to ask what to do next when the computers on the flight deck have just gone flickering and that the FMS is saying "Fatal Error 23b965c45a. This program will be terminated in 30seconds"...
Oooopsy daisy!
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Barrinator strikes again. Another fine soldier is a victim
Heard that 9G's Parrot's Barrinator has striken again and that another guy did not make his command on the 319... According to the statistics, he has had somewhere around 9 failures now... Overheard that management is seriously considering creating a position called "Failing Captain"! So, what is the 9G Parrot going to do about that?
Meanwhile, I understand that JvJ is VERY MUCH alive and kicking.
Meanwhile, I understand that JvJ is VERY MUCH alive and kicking.