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You shouldn't be surprised with my "sudden happiness"
for CA. It is all a matter of being fair. Praise them for doing good work, criticise when not.
You're correct in assuming that I take no credits for anything good that happens at CA (why should I?). Those should be directed at whoever is running the show there at the moment. Big diff from not so long ago, or so it seems.... Time will tell.
You talk about the IOE. Where will it be done? That stage is important to keep the flying skills sharp and to get into the swing of things in the real world.
MPLrs having a hard time at 5J and I understand that they might have lost some flying skills? CA should ensure, for the sake of safety that, when the pilots go to the airlines, they are up-to-date and confident with the a/c. After all, they are responsible for the delays.
God forbid any incident involving a MPLr from CIA. It would be the end of them and a setback for the whole MPL program (worldwide).
Been around the "silver birds" a long time to understand how things happen. It's a constant battle against the Murphy's Law....
You shouldn't be surprised with my "sudden happiness"
for CA. It is all a matter of being fair. Praise them for doing good work, criticise when not.You're correct in assuming that I take no credits for anything good that happens at CA (why should I?). Those should be directed at whoever is running the show there at the moment. Big diff from not so long ago, or so it seems.... Time will tell.
You talk about the IOE. Where will it be done? That stage is important to keep the flying skills sharp and to get into the swing of things in the real world.
MPLrs having a hard time at 5J and I understand that they might have lost some flying skills? CA should ensure, for the sake of safety that, when the pilots go to the airlines, they are up-to-date and confident with the a/c. After all, they are responsible for the delays.
God forbid any incident involving a MPLr from CIA. It would be the end of them and a setback for the whole MPL program (worldwide).
Been around the "silver birds" a long time to understand how things happen. It's a constant battle against the Murphy's Law....
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better flying school upon completion?
Which is better in terms of quality of training/job opportunities after earning the licenses (PPL/CPL/ME/IR)?
a. Waiting for PalAV (I am still waiting for their initial interview, hopefully if I get in might start mid next year, 2-3 years training period)
b. Going to FL,USA ( might go to ATP, or Flightsafety in Jan2011, 1 year training period to complete all the licenses)
Thanks.
a. Waiting for PalAV (I am still waiting for their initial interview, hopefully if I get in might start mid next year, 2-3 years training period)
b. Going to FL,USA ( might go to ATP, or Flightsafety in Jan2011, 1 year training period to complete all the licenses)
Thanks.
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i have mixed feelings with CA's MPL cadets finally getting the chance in PAL, in the middle of PAL's tragic pilot experiences. so i hope the MPLers grab this chance and do well. as for CA's turn-around i think credit goes to the management who turned the situation around (i've only met their HOT from India once and he seems a really great guy). i know it's a lot harder to fix stuff than to do something right the first time. cheers and goodluck!
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.... as for CA's turn-around i think credit goes to the management who turned the situation around (i've only met their HOT from India once and he seems a really great guy). i know it's a lot harder to fix stuff than to do something right the first time. cheers and goodluck!
An Aussie guy took over as Managing Director about 10 months ago. He really made an impact, sorted out the cadet problems, staff problems and and established good working relationships with the airlines that are now taking the non-sponsored cadets. I know a couple of the cadets at CA and they speak very highly of this guy and of course are relived that they are getting jobs. Good one mate.
An Aussie guy took over as Managing Director about 10 months ago. He really made an impact, sorted out the cadet problems, staff problems and and established good working relationships with the airlines that are now taking the non-sponsored cadets. I know a couple of the cadets at CA and they speak very highly of this guy and of course are relived that they are getting jobs. Good one mate.
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come on, "mate"
my own sources tell me that the aussie guy is just enjoying the fruits of the hard work that a previous GM from 5J did (MT). if you guys ever wondered why 5J didn't sue CA to kingdom come during the time that CA was well and truly run aground by the bright boys who started CA, well frankly it was because of MT taking over management.
that aussie guy you talk about (RH?) cannot possibly be the one who should be given credit as he is relatively new. granted i hear some things about him, although he's also become famous for being all around Fields, among other things, if you know what i mean.
seriously it would be shameful to give him any credit.
the real credit should be given to the Head Of Training plus all the SFIs. i hear they're all very good professional training captains.
that aussie guy you talk about (RH?) cannot possibly be the one who should be given credit as he is relatively new. granted i hear some things about him, although he's also become famous for being all around Fields, among other things, if you know what i mean.
seriously it would be shameful to give him any credit.
the real credit should be given to the Head Of Training plus all the SFIs. i hear they're all very good professional training captains.
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Aspiring to be a pilot, which school to enroll to?
Hi everyone!
I also aspire to be an airline pilot someday.
Which flying school do you recommend that I enroll to aside from PAL Av and CA? I've crossed out PAL Av since they would not open a new batch anytime soon and CA being new with their PPL+CPL program.
I want to enter the airlines here in the Philippines. Would training with other av schools in the Philippines affect my chances of making it to the airlines (are the airlines biased to some schools)? Does PAL heavily prioritize their graduates? Is getting an airline sponsorship from Cebu Pacific the only way to enter CebuPac?
Thanks!
I also aspire to be an airline pilot someday.
Which flying school do you recommend that I enroll to aside from PAL Av and CA? I've crossed out PAL Av since they would not open a new batch anytime soon and CA being new with their PPL+CPL program.
I want to enter the airlines here in the Philippines. Would training with other av schools in the Philippines affect my chances of making it to the airlines (are the airlines biased to some schools)? Does PAL heavily prioritize their graduates? Is getting an airline sponsorship from Cebu Pacific the only way to enter CebuPac?
Thanks!
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Thanks to PAST management and Head of Training?
Are u serious mate? PAST management just made money for themselves. that is a FACT! did not care where these kids could be placed for flying or even cared about their future in the aviation industry.
Head of Training and other instructors???? you guys claim to be JAA standards and seriously.... the quality of these graduates are nowhere near to that standard. I can personally say that to anyone. That is why 5J is having troubles with training these cadets. there is still a big gap that wasnt filled when they were passed on to the airline. basic aviation knowlegde wasnt present. So who would you like to hold responsible for that then?
I know for a fact that RH is doing his job getting this place up to standard. running the school and finding placements for the new graduates. making sure the quality of pilots should come close to an airline standard.
Im not putting anyone down or trying to raise anyones bars but i just think some people dont have a clue of what is going on here.......
Head of Training and other instructors???? you guys claim to be JAA standards and seriously.... the quality of these graduates are nowhere near to that standard. I can personally say that to anyone. That is why 5J is having troubles with training these cadets. there is still a big gap that wasnt filled when they were passed on to the airline. basic aviation knowlegde wasnt present. So who would you like to hold responsible for that then?
I know for a fact that RH is doing his job getting this place up to standard. running the school and finding placements for the new graduates. making sure the quality of pilots should come close to an airline standard.
Im not putting anyone down or trying to raise anyones bars but i just think some people dont have a clue of what is going on here.......
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Well said Fingus!
For those who are "clueless" about what's going on at 5J, I invite you to ask your MPL mates who are in 5J right now how things are going for them...seriously! If they say they're "doing just fine", then the Kronik is being smoked again.
For those who are "clueless" about what's going on at 5J, I invite you to ask your MPL mates who are in 5J right now how things are going for them...seriously! If they say they're "doing just fine", then the Kronik is being smoked again.
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fingus
it's always easy to say in pprune the words "i know for a fact." you could be as clueless as the best of them here in this thread but you wouldn't know it so stop whining that not everyone is impressed with your favorite mate in CA. but yeah maybe RH is really one white knight. i hear there are not a few "ladies" in clark who vouch for the saving grace of his "love".
mikkideez
good point there. although in your opinion, how are these MPLers performing compared with the previous FOs who went the CPL+ 1500H route?
it's always easy to say in pprune the words "i know for a fact." you could be as clueless as the best of them here in this thread but you wouldn't know it so stop whining that not everyone is impressed with your favorite mate in CA. but yeah maybe RH is really one white knight. i hear there are not a few "ladies" in clark who vouch for the saving grace of his "love".
mikkideez
good point there. although in your opinion, how are these MPLers performing compared with the previous FOs who went the CPL+ 1500H route?
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how in the world you came to conclude that fingus knows and i don't is beyond me. if you really think so, then i rest my case as further discussion with you would be pointless. but i believe you could get rich giving sage advise to people so they can be millionaires if your talent in knowing what's on people's minds is spot on.
how in the world you came to conclude that fingus knows and i don't is beyond me. if you really think so, then i rest my case as further discussion with you would be pointless. but i believe you could get rich giving sage advise to people so they can be millionaires if your talent in knowing what's on people's minds is spot on.
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Examples please
Hi Fingus !!Are you serious? They claim that? really? my my
And, you say the MPL cadets now with 5J lack basic aviation knowledge?
What is that "big gap that wasn't filled"?
Could you give us specific examples please? What difficulties are they encountering with 5J?
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@ Chairwrecker
About the FOs who entered 5J with CPL+1,500 hrs.? I would suppose they are doing just fine at 5J. Why'd ya ask? You trying to compare them with MPLs?
In addition:
Navitimer concluded correctly, you didn't.
Fingus knows, you don't. PLEASE leave it at that.
Doubt it though...pro pilot like you will have the last word...
...so c'mon and "Bring it" OR we can just have a couple of beers at Highstreet Fort and enjoy!
About the FOs who entered 5J with CPL+1,500 hrs.? I would suppose they are doing just fine at 5J. Why'd ya ask? You trying to compare them with MPLs?
In addition:
Navitimer concluded correctly, you didn't.
Fingus knows, you don't. PLEASE leave it at that.
Doubt it though...pro pilot like you will have the last word...
...so c'mon and "Bring it" OR we can just have a couple of beers at Highstreet Fort and enjoy!
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My, my..... what’s going on here? It seems quite a few contributors are "flying" VFR in thick fog.... Total loss of visual contact with the objective!!!!
From afar and not knowing personally any of the individuals mentioned, I try to stay focused on the matter at hand that is: defend the A320 MPL pioneer cadets (some already pilots) that believed, and paid for, that they could embrace one of the most challenging careers in the world.
It is no use talking about the crooks that initiated CIA. We all know what they did (and got away with it). We should rather look intently at the present situation and help resolve some serious (by what is "reported" here) issues.
Leave the individual personal life styles out of this discussion but rather concentrate on the professional side of those running the show in CIA.
Let’s see.
1 - A number of CIA MPL pilots (early batches) entered 5J and got good reviews for their performance. Have they continued to improve their skills with the gained experience?
2 - Some others (early batches too) went to Cyprus for their 12 TAGS and got good reviews (from the Cypriot training captains). There's even a video on the net and in this forum. Why Cyprus? Because they were not 5J sponsored.... How many of these have been employed (IOE completed or ongoing)?
NOTE: I think that these guys/girls were mostly trained before the present training management took up their present positions. Might be wrong though....
But things get very serious in the aviation world when we read reports that 5J is not happy about the quality and behaviour of CIA trained MPL pilots. Do they refer to the early or later batches? Either way there is a big problem that needs the most urgent attention from the training school (CIA) if they want to be taken seriously in this business.
Quality=credibility=$$$$$!!!
As I said in an earlier post, CIA must be responsible for the continued training of the MPL pilots while they wait for the promised jobs in the industry. Otherwise they “rust” and lose the skills acquired during the training period. “Rusted” pilots are a safety risk and nobody wants that.
It costs money to keep their skills honed? Sure it does!!! But that is the price they must pay to build up credibility and fulfil their commitments.
You cannot approach an aircraft pilot training academy the same way you do a tricycle driver school in Mumbai (or any other place). The company (CIA) must demand an appropriate performance, and monitor it, from the training top management. If the customers (airlines) complain about the CIA formed MPL pilot’s bad quality and attitude, then the training management should be the first to be questioned about the matter. If they cannot fix those problems, then they should be shown the way.....
It worries me to read this:
http://www.pprune.org/5883213-post17.html
And I honestly hope they are not hinting about CIA when they say:
“The Cadets are Mothered through the course and given all the answers to the questions so they can pass their exams,”
Sure way to disaster!!!!
Enough for today and, please, leave the personal stuff out of the discussion.... Live and let live but be serious when you work.
From afar and not knowing personally any of the individuals mentioned, I try to stay focused on the matter at hand that is: defend the A320 MPL pioneer cadets (some already pilots) that believed, and paid for, that they could embrace one of the most challenging careers in the world.
It is no use talking about the crooks that initiated CIA. We all know what they did (and got away with it). We should rather look intently at the present situation and help resolve some serious (by what is "reported" here) issues.
Leave the individual personal life styles out of this discussion but rather concentrate on the professional side of those running the show in CIA.
Let’s see.
1 - A number of CIA MPL pilots (early batches) entered 5J and got good reviews for their performance. Have they continued to improve their skills with the gained experience?
2 - Some others (early batches too) went to Cyprus for their 12 TAGS and got good reviews (from the Cypriot training captains). There's even a video on the net and in this forum. Why Cyprus? Because they were not 5J sponsored.... How many of these have been employed (IOE completed or ongoing)?
NOTE: I think that these guys/girls were mostly trained before the present training management took up their present positions. Might be wrong though....
But things get very serious in the aviation world when we read reports that 5J is not happy about the quality and behaviour of CIA trained MPL pilots. Do they refer to the early or later batches? Either way there is a big problem that needs the most urgent attention from the training school (CIA) if they want to be taken seriously in this business.
Quality=credibility=$$$$$!!!
As I said in an earlier post, CIA must be responsible for the continued training of the MPL pilots while they wait for the promised jobs in the industry. Otherwise they “rust” and lose the skills acquired during the training period. “Rusted” pilots are a safety risk and nobody wants that.
It costs money to keep their skills honed? Sure it does!!! But that is the price they must pay to build up credibility and fulfil their commitments.
You cannot approach an aircraft pilot training academy the same way you do a tricycle driver school in Mumbai (or any other place). The company (CIA) must demand an appropriate performance, and monitor it, from the training top management. If the customers (airlines) complain about the CIA formed MPL pilot’s bad quality and attitude, then the training management should be the first to be questioned about the matter. If they cannot fix those problems, then they should be shown the way.....
It worries me to read this:
http://www.pprune.org/5883213-post17.html
And I honestly hope they are not hinting about CIA when they say:
“The Cadets are Mothered through the course and given all the answers to the questions so they can pass their exams,”
Sure way to disaster!!!!
Enough for today and, please, leave the personal stuff out of the discussion.... Live and let live but be serious when you work.
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@mikkideez
yap that's the point. ICAO's theory is that MPL addresses shortcomings in the traditional CPL/ATPL + minimum flying hours route with its emphasis on early adoption of and higher training hours on full flight simulator jet training, multi-crew cooperation, and training on the specific airline type. should lead to improvements in FO's abilities to handle airbus systems and work with their captains, etc etc etc (i'll leave it to other posters with more expertise on these matters).
all in theory of course. so i was wondering if 5J, having already 12+ months of experience in IOE of the MPLers, do they find the cadets up to these lofty expectations? any 5J training captain comments in this subject would be great.
yap that's the point. ICAO's theory is that MPL addresses shortcomings in the traditional CPL/ATPL + minimum flying hours route with its emphasis on early adoption of and higher training hours on full flight simulator jet training, multi-crew cooperation, and training on the specific airline type. should lead to improvements in FO's abilities to handle airbus systems and work with their captains, etc etc etc (i'll leave it to other posters with more expertise on these matters).
all in theory of course. so i was wondering if 5J, having already 12+ months of experience in IOE of the MPLers, do they find the cadets up to these lofty expectations? any 5J training captain comments in this subject would be great.
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Originally Posted by chairwrecker
any 5J training captain comments in this subject would be great.
But if you're expecting a 5J TRI to come out and give an extensive assessment right here on this board, well... don't hold your breath.