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You could use the USD 45k to get an ATR 72 rating in Bangkok, after undergoing your CPL/IR at Aviation Training One International. Just inquire at their website Aviation Training One . 
More food for thought perhaps?
More food for thought perhaps?
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Good thing y'all got sponsors. This is a CRM nightmare, and no respectable airline (or at least one with traffic rights into Euro or the America's) will have anything to do with you, no matter how much you pay for your license. And that Malay/Bangkok route ain't the ticket either.
GTF outta there and go to Euro, US, or Oz for your training.
GTF outta there and go to Euro, US, or Oz for your training.
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Tian Yu,
So how do you get an ATR rating in Bangkok through Aviation Training One? They have NO association with the ATR training centre in BKK.
Tvaprof,
Why? Both Bangkok and KL ATR centres are JAA approved TRTOs. As my school master used to say "please explain"?
So how do you get an ATR rating in Bangkok through Aviation Training One? They have NO association with the ATR training centre in BKK.
Tvaprof,
And that Malay/Bangkok route ain't the ticket either
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Why? Both Bangkok and KL ATR centres are JAA approved TRTOs. As my school master used to say "please explain"?
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You have to be hazed and have your hair cut military style to learn how to fly in the general aviation sector?! If this is true, then it is definitely one of the reasons why flight deck CRM in the Philippines lack the desired assertive character expected iamong flight crewmembers, especially among First Officers.
Hazing to instill discipline and enforce respect from students, has no place in the training environment in the civilian world. Even the military schools have outlawed the custom of hazing (at least, that's what they say).
What hazing or any form of maltreatment does to an individual simply emphasizes the behavior from the beginning the ridiculous relationship between co-workers that, those who are ahead of you are more superior and, their actions can not be questioned for fear of being ridiculed. The customary way of addressing "superiors" in the civilian world with a "sir" or a "ma'am" before their first name comes comes to mind; in my opinion it is demeaning and derogatory to an individual's collective ego. In England, you have to Knighted by the Queen no less, to be addressed as "Sir". The way I look at it in the Philippines, it is used as a means of demanding respect to one's stature, nothig else.
This "unique', albeit silly kind of relationship between crewmembers, where the status of seniority generally sets the tone in the decision making process, should be discarded. Instead, a concept that breeds openness, assertiveness and meaningful discussion of ideas between flight crewmembers, without the wall of superiority should be promoted. And where else do we start enforcing this environment - in basic training!
You don't have to have your hair cut short to learn how to flare and land a Cessna. You don't have to be jabbed or slapped to learn to talk on the radio. And you definitely don't have to address anybody as "sir" or "ma'am" to know the answer to an aerodynamic question, only to stick your middle finger to "sir" or "ma'am" as soon as they turn their backs to you!
We're in 21st century. Stop enforcing age old customs and traditions that do not conform to modern ways and safe practices of the industry. If you want students to learn the right way, put into action the latest methods of education and training which are observed in countries that have successful aviation industries.
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Hazing to instill discipline and enforce respect from students, has no place in the training environment in the civilian world. Even the military schools have outlawed the custom of hazing (at least, that's what they say).
What hazing or any form of maltreatment does to an individual simply emphasizes the behavior from the beginning the ridiculous relationship between co-workers that, those who are ahead of you are more superior and, their actions can not be questioned for fear of being ridiculed. The customary way of addressing "superiors" in the civilian world with a "sir" or a "ma'am" before their first name comes comes to mind; in my opinion it is demeaning and derogatory to an individual's collective ego. In England, you have to Knighted by the Queen no less, to be addressed as "Sir". The way I look at it in the Philippines, it is used as a means of demanding respect to one's stature, nothig else.
This "unique', albeit silly kind of relationship between crewmembers, where the status of seniority generally sets the tone in the decision making process, should be discarded. Instead, a concept that breeds openness, assertiveness and meaningful discussion of ideas between flight crewmembers, without the wall of superiority should be promoted. And where else do we start enforcing this environment - in basic training!
You don't have to have your hair cut short to learn how to flare and land a Cessna. You don't have to be jabbed or slapped to learn to talk on the radio. And you definitely don't have to address anybody as "sir" or "ma'am" to know the answer to an aerodynamic question, only to stick your middle finger to "sir" or "ma'am" as soon as they turn their backs to you!
We're in 21st century. Stop enforcing age old customs and traditions that do not conform to modern ways and safe practices of the industry. If you want students to learn the right way, put into action the latest methods of education and training which are observed in countries that have successful aviation industries.
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"Tian Yu,
So how do you get an ATR rating in Bangkok through Aviation Training One? They have NO association with the ATR training centre in BKK." ---ZFT
ZFT, my apologies I meant that Aviation Training One offers the OPTION of graduates to undergo training there, as agreed upon between the 2 managements but in no way are Aviation Training One associated or in other words in partnership with them. My deepest apologies.
So how do you get an ATR rating in Bangkok through Aviation Training One? They have NO association with the ATR training centre in BKK." ---ZFT
ZFT, my apologies I meant that Aviation Training One offers the OPTION of graduates to undergo training there, as agreed upon between the 2 managements but in no way are Aviation Training One associated or in other words in partnership with them. My deepest apologies.
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Kimpton,
While what you say is true, you may find that ab initio in some parts Asia are run a bit more like a mini-military boot camp than a Part 61 drive around the old airplane patch, or 141 school with airplane driver uniforms.
While what you say is true, you may find that ab initio in some parts Asia are run a bit more like a mini-military boot camp than a Part 61 drive around the old airplane patch, or 141 school with airplane driver uniforms.
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Lastly, There was no hazing in Clark Av. Obviously, some just wanted to put stories against the school.
We volunteered to shave our hair. When our instructor, Capt. RS, came in the morning, he was shocked and laughed. He said that a clean cut should be enough. But we insisted.
We made a deal with him. When every instructor was leaving C.A. back then, we asked him "Walang iwanan" or "No one leaves." Our class showed that we are united and of need. We inspired him to teach and train us despite the circumstances around.
No one else told us to shave our heads. It was a class' decision. It is for a reason that you guys wont fully understand.
Look what happened? He trained us in the ALsim from 9am upto 12mn. He focused on those students lagging behind... This he did even if there were no orders from the upper management. It was his initiative.
It was different back then. Its a different picture now.
We volunteered to shave our hair. When our instructor, Capt. RS, came in the morning, he was shocked and laughed. He said that a clean cut should be enough. But we insisted.
We made a deal with him. When every instructor was leaving C.A. back then, we asked him "Walang iwanan" or "No one leaves." Our class showed that we are united and of need. We inspired him to teach and train us despite the circumstances around.
No one else told us to shave our heads. It was a class' decision. It is for a reason that you guys wont fully understand.
Look what happened? He trained us in the ALsim from 9am upto 12mn. He focused on those students lagging behind... This he did even if there were no orders from the upper management. It was his initiative.
It was different back then. Its a different picture now.
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wow
wow.. theres a lot of drama here. hey fellas..why dont we all do some "hangar talk" and share some of the knowledge that you all are getting there and vice versa those outsiders..share some thoughts and info on IFR flying, flight experiences that may benefit the cadets. 
"keep the blue side up"
"keep the blue side up"
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Jester,
I think thats a better topic here in Clark Av forum. Is MPL a better way of training airline pilots or should we still settle for traditional?
all i can say is that, students and instructors (seasoned ones.. those who have instructed in PAL and Cebupac pilots), that the MCC phase, 27sessions of A320 level D, are more that enough training.
According to them, in traditional training, those who want to have CPL license just fly, in tagalog "naguubos oras", unlike in the advance phase of MPL, every hour and every session has a lesson. You are learning every hour.
Thats according to them. Convinced that this is the better way of training airline pilots.
But then again, i guess it is really hard to change what is traditional and have proven results. MPL graduates has to prove themselves to the world still.
My say is, Clark Av has a lot of things to fix, standards to achieve, but I believe that this is a good means to have airline pilots.
your say?
I think thats a better topic here in Clark Av forum. Is MPL a better way of training airline pilots or should we still settle for traditional?
all i can say is that, students and instructors (seasoned ones.. those who have instructed in PAL and Cebupac pilots), that the MCC phase, 27sessions of A320 level D, are more that enough training.
According to them, in traditional training, those who want to have CPL license just fly, in tagalog "naguubos oras", unlike in the advance phase of MPL, every hour and every session has a lesson. You are learning every hour.
Thats according to them. Convinced that this is the better way of training airline pilots.
But then again, i guess it is really hard to change what is traditional and have proven results. MPL graduates has to prove themselves to the world still.
My say is, Clark Av has a lot of things to fix, standards to achieve, but I believe that this is a good means to have airline pilots.
your say?
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Updates at CA
Note: A "Session" in the MCC and A320 phase is 4 hrs each with each cadet performing PF duties for 2 hrs and PNF duties for 2 hrs.
Batch A (first 4): A320 gound school is completed and now they are halfway through their LOFT phase. (5 to 6 sessions completed on the A320 FFS)
Batch A (second 4): About to finish the A320 ground school by this week.
Batch B (first 4): Just done with their 15 MCC sessions. Will start A320 grnd school this week.
Batch B (second 4): about to start MCC sessions by tomorrow.
Batch C: Various stages of IF sorties
Batch D: Scheduled to start IF sorties by next week.
Good luck to all...Cheers...
Batch A (first 4): A320 gound school is completed and now they are halfway through their LOFT phase. (5 to 6 sessions completed on the A320 FFS)
Batch A (second 4): About to finish the A320 ground school by this week.
Batch B (first 4): Just done with their 15 MCC sessions. Will start A320 grnd school this week.
Batch B (second 4): about to start MCC sessions by tomorrow.
Batch C: Various stages of IF sorties
Batch D: Scheduled to start IF sorties by next week.
Good luck to all...Cheers...
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Hazing?
I can again confirm that here has been no instances of HAZING in CA! I sincerely hope we can rest that controversy now and move on with what is happening!
Coming to the use of "Sir" or "Mam" prefix to the first names...well what can i say ...even i found that funny when i landed here in this country!(I thought wow...a lot of people here have attained knighthoods!) BUT ....
One has to respect one's cultures and traditional practices.
Its a well known fact that in the west people usually address each other using their first names. In the Military we usually use sir / mam.
BAck in my country i have had the best of both worlds civilian and military.
In the Civilain society we Asians are very respectful to our elders. We would not call anyone by their names. We have the practice of suffixing sir/mam to first names (a slight variation to prefixing as they have here in the Philippines ...i guess being a colony of the British has its effect in that!)
When i worked for a German Mutinational company...we were used to using firstnames right from the bottom to the MD. However i made sure that whenever i went to a Govt.office i gave due respect to everyone....cannot risk hurting anyone's sentiments!
In an utopian society i feel the sir/mam should be disposed off with..BUT we aint in an utopian society!
So how can it be any different in the flighdeck now? In the West you can call the Capt by his first name. Due to CRM practices the F/O can challenge any risky decisions by the Capt. However that does not mean you dont end up with P+G- types of Capts?
In Asia agreed we would never call our Capt by first name....but then we would not call our capt by first name even if he was not our capt! We would not call any elder we meet in the street or office etc by their first name...So why would it be any different in the FlightDeck??? However what CRM pracitices teach us now is again the same as in the west! IF the Capt happens to be a P+G- type of pilot irrespective of being a Westerner or an Asian...the F/o will have to use tact to bring the capt's attention to a problem!
If I as a greenhorn S/O am to fly with a Westerner...i probably would first ask the Capt as to how he would want to be addressed. If he says just call me Mike or Jeff etc i would do that, but if i had an Asian Capt...i would not hesitate in addressing him as Sir!
I can think of an old proverb..BE A ROMAN WHILE IN ROME
Cheers....
Coming to the use of "Sir" or "Mam" prefix to the first names...well what can i say ...even i found that funny when i landed here in this country!(I thought wow...a lot of people here have attained knighthoods!) BUT ....
One has to respect one's cultures and traditional practices.
Its a well known fact that in the west people usually address each other using their first names. In the Military we usually use sir / mam.
BAck in my country i have had the best of both worlds civilian and military.
In the Civilain society we Asians are very respectful to our elders. We would not call anyone by their names. We have the practice of suffixing sir/mam to first names (a slight variation to prefixing as they have here in the Philippines ...i guess being a colony of the British has its effect in that!)
When i worked for a German Mutinational company...we were used to using firstnames right from the bottom to the MD. However i made sure that whenever i went to a Govt.office i gave due respect to everyone....cannot risk hurting anyone's sentiments!
In an utopian society i feel the sir/mam should be disposed off with..BUT we aint in an utopian society!
So how can it be any different in the flighdeck now? In the West you can call the Capt by his first name. Due to CRM practices the F/O can challenge any risky decisions by the Capt. However that does not mean you dont end up with P+G- types of Capts?
In Asia agreed we would never call our Capt by first name....but then we would not call our capt by first name even if he was not our capt! We would not call any elder we meet in the street or office etc by their first name...So why would it be any different in the FlightDeck??? However what CRM pracitices teach us now is again the same as in the west! IF the Capt happens to be a P+G- type of pilot irrespective of being a Westerner or an Asian...the F/o will have to use tact to bring the capt's attention to a problem!
If I as a greenhorn S/O am to fly with a Westerner...i probably would first ask the Capt as to how he would want to be addressed. If he says just call me Mike or Jeff etc i would do that, but if i had an Asian Capt...i would not hesitate in addressing him as Sir!
I can think of an old proverb..BE A ROMAN WHILE IN ROME
Cheers....
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Its been a Year
How are you guys doing? I quit the school a year ago, and when I look back, I wonder... what would have happened if I didnt? Would I have already graduated by now? especially the 1st and 2nd batch of Clark Aviation, I always look up to them, they were so full of energy and charisma.
What happened to Matt Wood? I remember he was really angry when I told him that I was quitting.
I could also remember that guy in the wheelchair and the CEO Mark Pearson whom I personally phoned when I was leaving.
Right now, I am a student in another flying school, Its just a bit more before I reach my 200 hrs in our YFX-M56 Aircraft. Its a long road ahead for me, but its ok because I love flying!
Good Luck Guys! cheerio.
What happened to Matt Wood? I remember he was really angry when I told him that I was quitting.
I could also remember that guy in the wheelchair and the CEO Mark Pearson whom I personally phoned when I was leaving.
Right now, I am a student in another flying school, Its just a bit more before I reach my 200 hrs in our YFX-M56 Aircraft. Its a long road ahead for me, but its ok because I love flying!
Good Luck Guys! cheerio.
