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I thought you turned CX down, CB?
Why do you waste your time as a pilot if the industry sucks so much? You'd make an outstanding politician.
I think hoho works well, what about you?
Why do you waste your time as a pilot if the industry sucks so much? You'd make an outstanding politician.
I think hoho works well, what about you?
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whorewhore:
Which part of my post indicated ANYTHING contrary to the fact I did interview, was successful & did turn the offer down - twice? Or yet again is your idiocy so paramount that once again you fail to "comprehend"?
And my displeasure at CX? Since when does CX represent an industry wide dislike?? I'm very passionate about my career & still love walking down the airbridge to go to work. It's a joy that you'll NEVER comprehend because you'll not have earned the right to do so. You'll only fill a seat because perhaps you are the cheapest option: nothing more, nothing less (even though you're yet to pass an interview). And what's better I'll never fly with the likes of you who see the degredation of the job as an "opportunity". I know, I know whorewhore that when an inexperienced & naive ignorant sell-out sees CX as the only job in the world that it is all encompassing. Once again it shows your stupidity.
My present job pays better than the CX FO salary but I looked at the job LONG TERM & from there the job used to be LONG TERM better. Small loss in the short term for long term gain. Now that just isn't true. But shiny jet syndrome sell-outs like you are incapable of seeing a LONG TERM picture.
Which part of my post indicated ANYTHING contrary to the fact I did interview, was successful & did turn the offer down - twice? Or yet again is your idiocy so paramount that once again you fail to "comprehend"?
And my displeasure at CX? Since when does CX represent an industry wide dislike?? I'm very passionate about my career & still love walking down the airbridge to go to work. It's a joy that you'll NEVER comprehend because you'll not have earned the right to do so. You'll only fill a seat because perhaps you are the cheapest option: nothing more, nothing less (even though you're yet to pass an interview). And what's better I'll never fly with the likes of you who see the degredation of the job as an "opportunity". I know, I know whorewhore that when an inexperienced & naive ignorant sell-out sees CX as the only job in the world that it is all encompassing. Once again it shows your stupidity.
My present job pays better than the CX FO salary but I looked at the job LONG TERM & from there the job used to be LONG TERM better. Small loss in the short term for long term gain. Now that just isn't true. But shiny jet syndrome sell-outs like you are incapable of seeing a LONG TERM picture.
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In between posts from 26 June to 21 July the roster department has had me quite busy...... So to answer your question I worked A LOT in that time, and now am in between duty periods. Always happy to answer your concerns!
You write on other thread very close to the same time you posted your last one here:
So it's OK to post so long as it suits your agenda & time frame, otherwise not to? So it's "moaning" when the information & opinions from people with direct CX knowledge & experience, or GA time building, or airline / CX interviews, or regional & international (widebody) airline ops put forward a point of view that doesn't appease the average iCadet's need for justification?
Capt Dart's opinions based on a very long career at CX are also dismissed by the ignorant wannabe section here. Why? Because his vast experience & insight doesn't fit the mould all too many of you seek & need.
When you post your questions try to comprehend that some who answer don't necessarily agree with your stance.
(PS: your question asking "What would be your fleet choice if you were able to choose" has also been asked countless times before. A tiny amount of searching can answer that question. The answer should be the fleet type that offers you the destinations & potential roster patterns most applicable to your wants & needs..... But let's be honest. The answer from most wannabes will probably be the fleet that has the biggest & most shiny bits).
You write on other thread very close to the same time you posted your last one here:
"....the post seems to have gone dead, don't be afraid to post guys."
Capt Dart's opinions based on a very long career at CX are also dismissed by the ignorant wannabe section here. Why? Because his vast experience & insight doesn't fit the mould all too many of you seek & need.
When you post your questions try to comprehend that some who answer don't necessarily agree with your stance.
(PS: your question asking "What would be your fleet choice if you were able to choose" has also been asked countless times before. A tiny amount of searching can answer that question. The answer should be the fleet type that offers you the destinations & potential roster patterns most applicable to your wants & needs..... But let's be honest. The answer from most wannabes will probably be the fleet that has the biggest & most shiny bits).
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Chinabeached,
Negative opinions are well worth reading. BUT please just make your point and move on. You've made your points now about how you hate wannabees and how they are all selling out. Fantastic. Great. We get it. You've put all of us down and I commend you, you've kept your head held high during your career. Please go and concentrate on your own life now and let others talk about the company, interviews and the contract.
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Negative opinions are well worth reading. BUT please just make your point and move on. You've made your points now about how you hate wannabees and how they are all selling out. Fantastic. Great. We get it. You've put all of us down and I commend you, you've kept your head held high during your career. Please go and concentrate on your own life now and let others talk about the company, interviews and the contract.
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When you post your questions try to comprehend that some who answer don't necessarily agree with your stance.
There are people out there who are worthy of their own opinion, and stop acting as though the world owes you something because you've worked hard, so have millions of other people in the world.
I'm finished with this petty back and forth, and I can guarantee you're going to come back with some long winded argument about some bullsh*t.
Grow up.
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I don't "hate" wannabes at all. Once upon a time I was in those shoes & to a large extent I still am. Any pilot who thinks he or she has completely made it & doesn't need to keep working is kidding themselves.
What I do hate is the attitude & reasoning for some decisions. Also, if you read previous posts you'll see I've had some informative discussions.
Lastly, almost all questions asked have been asked & answered ad nausea but too many of you are too damn lazy as to read the 150+ pages, and yet rant about a "passion & commitment".
Let's have a friendly wager? Let's see if here or the other thread within the next 5 pages someone asks:
1) how long does it take for CX to reply to my application;
2) does anyone know how soon they can get a basing;
3) how do you log on to submit or edit the application;
4) which aircraft (engines & other specs) & destinations do CX use & fly to;
5) which fleet would be the best to be on?
Again, the vast majority of wannabes here ignore & belittle the FACTUAL reports & opinions from those with direct & irrefutable experiences in the exact airline & career they seek information about.
Tupps: you're yet another ignorant fool who asks questions yet hasn't the balls to hear the answer YOU requested. You asked me question. You received an answer. Now I have to grow up because the answer didn't suit you? Yeah, that makes sense.
What I do hate is the attitude & reasoning for some decisions. Also, if you read previous posts you'll see I've had some informative discussions.
Lastly, almost all questions asked have been asked & answered ad nausea but too many of you are too damn lazy as to read the 150+ pages, and yet rant about a "passion & commitment".
Let's have a friendly wager? Let's see if here or the other thread within the next 5 pages someone asks:
1) how long does it take for CX to reply to my application;
2) does anyone know how soon they can get a basing;
3) how do you log on to submit or edit the application;
4) which aircraft (engines & other specs) & destinations do CX use & fly to;
5) which fleet would be the best to be on?
Again, the vast majority of wannabes here ignore & belittle the FACTUAL reports & opinions from those with direct & irrefutable experiences in the exact airline & career they seek information about.
Tupps: you're yet another ignorant fool who asks questions yet hasn't the balls to hear the answer YOU requested. You asked me question. You received an answer. Now I have to grow up because the answer didn't suit you? Yeah, that makes sense.
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CB - as most ppl have suggested, you need to get a life.
Secondly, in no way was I talking about standing up for conditions etc etc - thats a separate topic all together. also, my comment wasn't to bitch and moan about our conditions - I actually enjoy going to work and doing my 84 hours a month.
I posted my comment to make sure future cadets weren't under the impression that conditions were getting better even though it appeared to be.
Also, I find it offensive and ignorant that you think all of us are sitting there doing nothing - many colleagues and i spend a lot of our own time (during our days off) to work with the AOA to have our voices heard. if the AOA does nothing about it in the end its sad and frustrating but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people put a lot of effort into it. and for somebody who doesn't even work with us to think they have it all figured out - well, guess what, you are a joke and i am happy to know that idiots like you are kept out of our cockpits - i bet you are a pain in the ass and a liability.
Secondly, in no way was I talking about standing up for conditions etc etc - thats a separate topic all together. also, my comment wasn't to bitch and moan about our conditions - I actually enjoy going to work and doing my 84 hours a month.
I posted my comment to make sure future cadets weren't under the impression that conditions were getting better even though it appeared to be.
Also, I find it offensive and ignorant that you think all of us are sitting there doing nothing - many colleagues and i spend a lot of our own time (during our days off) to work with the AOA to have our voices heard. if the AOA does nothing about it in the end its sad and frustrating but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people put a lot of effort into it. and for somebody who doesn't even work with us to think they have it all figured out - well, guess what, you are a joke and i am happy to know that idiots like you are kept out of our cockpits - i bet you are a pain in the ass and a liability.
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"Kept out"??? No. Your airline called me not once, but twice. I turned the "offer" (if that is what you call it) down.
I read all your AOA updates, I read all the DFO and GMO updates... So tell us WHAT has been done about the absolute and undeniable raping of the CX terms and conditions?
I asked you as simple question, to seek your perspective and it looks like I got it. You're holding meetings and coming in on your days off to achieve...what? CoS 08? SLS? AHK Freighter jobs? C-Scale packages? Rostering Practices? FDTL changes? CoS 08 25 year housing allowance guarantees? The AOA has been seen to do NOTHING about the C Scale and iCadet package. That is what is called offensive and ignorant. And why should they?
After all, you're alright aren't you so why bother to protect the future terms and conditions of the pilots, of the pilots' future as a whole? You enjoy your job, your salary package, your 84 hrs a month so screw what the others are getting and have to do. And if you think I'm alone in this belief then go down to any number of bars in Central or SoHo, etc and mention or discuss what the pilots really believe about the AOA's strength and usefulness. What next? Threaten M'ment CC in another 12 or 13 years?
The last AOA update received 21st July..... More talk about C-Scale and the implications. Actions? Proposed actions? Ideas? Clues? Hints? "We at the AOA believe that....and intend to counter this degradation of terms and conditions by....." Nothing....Dribble and banter stating the bleeding obvious. By doing NOTHING then the AOA is seen to be idle. It took the AOA how many years to finally threaten CC for pay rises that were long, long, long overdue. And then.... AHK! You showed them!
A pain the arse? Probably. Because I don't settle for second best and speak up against all this BS. I voted with my feet and refused to be treated like that. A liability? In your eyes, your opinion. CX Recruitment didn't seem to think so. Neither did the ME carriers, or the contracts in Europe.
So, what is the AOA doing about the C Scale package? I'll start a new thread so as to avoid a greater divergence here.
I read all your AOA updates, I read all the DFO and GMO updates... So tell us WHAT has been done about the absolute and undeniable raping of the CX terms and conditions?
I asked you as simple question, to seek your perspective and it looks like I got it. You're holding meetings and coming in on your days off to achieve...what? CoS 08? SLS? AHK Freighter jobs? C-Scale packages? Rostering Practices? FDTL changes? CoS 08 25 year housing allowance guarantees? The AOA has been seen to do NOTHING about the C Scale and iCadet package. That is what is called offensive and ignorant. And why should they?
After all, you're alright aren't you so why bother to protect the future terms and conditions of the pilots, of the pilots' future as a whole? You enjoy your job, your salary package, your 84 hrs a month so screw what the others are getting and have to do. And if you think I'm alone in this belief then go down to any number of bars in Central or SoHo, etc and mention or discuss what the pilots really believe about the AOA's strength and usefulness. What next? Threaten M'ment CC in another 12 or 13 years?
The last AOA update received 21st July..... More talk about C-Scale and the implications. Actions? Proposed actions? Ideas? Clues? Hints? "We at the AOA believe that....and intend to counter this degradation of terms and conditions by....." Nothing....Dribble and banter stating the bleeding obvious. By doing NOTHING then the AOA is seen to be idle. It took the AOA how many years to finally threaten CC for pay rises that were long, long, long overdue. And then.... AHK! You showed them!
A pain the arse? Probably. Because I don't settle for second best and speak up against all this BS. I voted with my feet and refused to be treated like that. A liability? In your eyes, your opinion. CX Recruitment didn't seem to think so. Neither did the ME carriers, or the contracts in Europe.
So, what is the AOA doing about the C Scale package? I'll start a new thread so as to avoid a greater divergence here.
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The fact of the matter is...there are lots of people like you who think they are better than everyone else and therefore deserve better...
but there are more people out there who are happily accepting these degraded conditions...and unless this changes there is not much more we can do
people love listening to what they want to hear and then go ahead and spread this info...like how we are so short on crew that everyone will be in overtime in august (turned out to be false) and that nobody is accepting the offer and crew control is becoming really desparate....
well in reality everything is business as usual and there are more people who are accepting the offer than those who are sucessful then turn it down...
and like i said, as long as people are accepting the offers the comoany won't see a reason to budge.
but there are more people out there who are happily accepting these degraded conditions...and unless this changes there is not much more we can do
people love listening to what they want to hear and then go ahead and spread this info...like how we are so short on crew that everyone will be in overtime in august (turned out to be false) and that nobody is accepting the offer and crew control is becoming really desparate....
well in reality everything is business as usual and there are more people who are accepting the offer than those who are sucessful then turn it down...
and like i said, as long as people are accepting the offers the comoany won't see a reason to budge.
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Why is it that someone who doesn't even work for CX feels the need to crap all over those who want to? And when questioned you rant and rave like a lunatic. It beggars belief that they let people like you loose at the controls of a jet.
Good on you for voting with your feet - but constantly reminding everybody of that fact only detracts from the act and makes you sound like a proper blowhard.
I look forward to your continued abuse 'comprehension LOLOL' spam.
Good on you for voting with your feet - but constantly reminding everybody of that fact only detracts from the act and makes you sound like a proper blowhard.
I look forward to your continued abuse 'comprehension LOLOL' spam.
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lol well said.
also, if you dont work for CX and you really did turn down their offer, why does it matter to you at all what the AOA is doing to stand up to the C scale.
once again, get a life.
also, if you dont work for CX and you really did turn down their offer, why does it matter to you at all what the AOA is doing to stand up to the C scale.
once again, get a life.
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whorewhore: remind everyone? No. People ask me questions regarding the reasoning for my beliefs & I answer them. If that has been repeated a few (many?!) times then it shows more of the asker's failure to research more than my reasoning to answer.
And you'll see that those I have an issue with are precisely the likes of YOU who openly state screw the standards, screw the ramifications, screw what this will do to the airline or industry.... It's all about ME and thank Christ for lowering of standards otherwise you wouldn't stand a chance.
And find BUT ONE post of mine claiming to be better than anyone else. What I'll staunchly defend is the lowering of the profession & attitude that it's OK & the despicable attitude defending this trend. This bull$hit took away all that i worked for & went through to achieve. Worse still, those who see it as a great "opportunity".
Self proclaimed sell-outs like whorewhore can only apply due m'ment's methodology of bastardising the HK RDO. Ooops! Yet another issue the AOA was sucker punched on.
Flaps.... The latest AOA update clearly states the problems of recruiting appropriately qualified & experienced pilots owing to this C Scale & HKPLA. You should pay more attention to the meetings you attend on your day off. Then again, why would you care? YOUR package is OK!! So screw the legacy or responsibility for the future. As a card waving member you seem to stand for little other than self preservation.
Look, if you want a debate with FACTS that can condratict my opinions & research then do so. Some have & I appreciate it. But the mere mention of the HK RDO leaves sell-outs like whorewhore be-dazzled...All the while being the methodology CX used & reason the likes of whorewhore are able to even apply.
And tbe AOA's stance? Caught napping & toothless. Again.
Flaps: there's another thread for this discussion. Already one of your colleagues has commented. But true to form, pretend it doesn't exist, ignore & place head in sand. Looking forward to another AOA update telling us the sky is blue.
Just saw your support of whorewhore. Perfect. Sums it up well. A self proclaimed sell-out support by an AOA flag waver. One who stands for nothing & the other who supports the downturn in T&C's via spineless inaction. Decide if you can who is who.
And you'll see that those I have an issue with are precisely the likes of YOU who openly state screw the standards, screw the ramifications, screw what this will do to the airline or industry.... It's all about ME and thank Christ for lowering of standards otherwise you wouldn't stand a chance.
And find BUT ONE post of mine claiming to be better than anyone else. What I'll staunchly defend is the lowering of the profession & attitude that it's OK & the despicable attitude defending this trend. This bull$hit took away all that i worked for & went through to achieve. Worse still, those who see it as a great "opportunity".
Self proclaimed sell-outs like whorewhore can only apply due m'ment's methodology of bastardising the HK RDO. Ooops! Yet another issue the AOA was sucker punched on.
Flaps.... The latest AOA update clearly states the problems of recruiting appropriately qualified & experienced pilots owing to this C Scale & HKPLA. You should pay more attention to the meetings you attend on your day off. Then again, why would you care? YOUR package is OK!! So screw the legacy or responsibility for the future. As a card waving member you seem to stand for little other than self preservation.
Look, if you want a debate with FACTS that can condratict my opinions & research then do so. Some have & I appreciate it. But the mere mention of the HK RDO leaves sell-outs like whorewhore be-dazzled...All the while being the methodology CX used & reason the likes of whorewhore are able to even apply.
And tbe AOA's stance? Caught napping & toothless. Again.
Flaps: there's another thread for this discussion. Already one of your colleagues has commented. But true to form, pretend it doesn't exist, ignore & place head in sand. Looking forward to another AOA update telling us the sky is blue.
Just saw your support of whorewhore. Perfect. Sums it up well. A self proclaimed sell-out support by an AOA flag waver. One who stands for nothing & the other who supports the downturn in T&C's via spineless inaction. Decide if you can who is who.
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once again, you seem to be under the impression that people care about what you think.
Here is a fact: you don't, and never will work for Cathay, so why don't you spend your time doing something more productive??
Here is a fact: you don't, and never will work for Cathay, so why don't you spend your time doing something more productive??
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Again, no.
The fact is that with a simple phone call or email I could.
But I refuse to. C Scale & the protection of the AOA? Nah. Unlike whorewhore I know what I'm worth, know the history of CX & the AOA & see this as the insulting mess for what it is. As I've said on countless occasions, my integrity isn't up for sale.
(You've gotta have it to defend it).
It's getting just a tad mirky, eh? Sell-outs & those at the AOA who endorse it??? Complacent inaction speaks louder than anything else at present. Enjoy your career at CX defecating on the backs of the sell-outs satisfying & protecting your needs. I "choose" not to.
I'm sure John Warham would be proud to drink with the likes of you. (Sarcasm... Had to define that because whorewhore's literary ability suffers frequently. Then again, this is the future you endorse).
So, sleep well at night (& you will) in the knowledge that your acceptance & inaction to stand up against this bull$hit allows you that beer at Stauntons.
The fact is that with a simple phone call or email I could.
But I refuse to. C Scale & the protection of the AOA? Nah. Unlike whorewhore I know what I'm worth, know the history of CX & the AOA & see this as the insulting mess for what it is. As I've said on countless occasions, my integrity isn't up for sale.
(You've gotta have it to defend it).
It's getting just a tad mirky, eh? Sell-outs & those at the AOA who endorse it??? Complacent inaction speaks louder than anything else at present. Enjoy your career at CX defecating on the backs of the sell-outs satisfying & protecting your needs. I "choose" not to.
I'm sure John Warham would be proud to drink with the likes of you. (Sarcasm... Had to define that because whorewhore's literary ability suffers frequently. Then again, this is the future you endorse).
So, sleep well at night (& you will) in the knowledge that your acceptance & inaction to stand up against this bull$hit allows you that beer at Stauntons.
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Chinabeach
To add to the recent posts, please Chinabeach, spare us any further posts. You have made your point and are now simply descending into repetitiveness and " policing " the forum in a very churlish manner.
You don't work for CX, but appear to have a massive chip on your shoulder against them!! Remind yourself of the purpose and name of this forum. You are doing no one any favors with your continual ranting, sanctimonious attitude, and your overwhelming need to have the "last word "
Give us a break for goodness sake!!!
This is not the Chinabeach Forum
You don't work for CX, but appear to have a massive chip on your shoulder against them!! Remind yourself of the purpose and name of this forum. You are doing no one any favors with your continual ranting, sanctimonious attitude, and your overwhelming need to have the "last word "
Give us a break for goodness sake!!!
This is not the Chinabeach Forum
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To save you from more repetitiveness, please answer me this:
1) how long will it take for CX to respond to my application?
2) what aircraft do CX use?
3) where do they fly to?
4) when can I get a basing?
5) when will I become a Captain?
A massive chip? Hell yeah! When all you've worked for is raped & pillaged and sold off to the lowest bidder & applicant you may one day feel the same.
But if you are successful at CX be sure to join the AOA because rest assured they'll protect your contract!!!!!
In the mean time please argue with FACTS in lieu of ignorant opinion founded on a sales pitch.
I'll give you a break: get off your arse & turn off the computer then none of this can affect your cocoon identity.
1) how long will it take for CX to respond to my application?
2) what aircraft do CX use?
3) where do they fly to?
4) when can I get a basing?
5) when will I become a Captain?
A massive chip? Hell yeah! When all you've worked for is raped & pillaged and sold off to the lowest bidder & applicant you may one day feel the same.
But if you are successful at CX be sure to join the AOA because rest assured they'll protect your contract!!!!!
In the mean time please argue with FACTS in lieu of ignorant opinion founded on a sales pitch.
I'll give you a break: get off your arse & turn off the computer then none of this can affect your cocoon identity.