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Dear VT-ASM,
I don't care either whether you fly a plane or drive a meru cab or a radio taxi after your training. Though the latter is most likely to happen.
Please go through all my previous posts. Figure out the lines which are wrong as per rules of standard English and provide the appropriate correction. Let me see how good are you in English.
I don't care either whether you fly a plane or drive a meru cab or a radio taxi after your training. Though the latter is most likely to happen.
Please go through all my previous posts. Figure out the lines which are wrong as per rules of standard English and provide the appropriate correction. Let me see how good are you in English.
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For the Moderators
To paraphrase from 'The Replacements'
Now brothers will someone please please get this A***ole out of here!
Lets stop feeding this attention seeking irritant people...
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You have problems with the truth guys?
I've never seen such inane smugness as displayed here by the jobless.
I note that still none of you have stepped to the plate to tell the next batches following you just what they're facing, the scams and the shysters out to hook them for vast sums of money. As I pointed out a few days ago - there is something poisonous and and isolated to your culture happening here.
In parts of the world with a mature aviation tradition the warnings are giving by all whatever their level of experience. It's particularly baffling as the new batches come out of the schools fresh, eager and most of all current while thousands of you are no longer current and therefore can't compete.
You lot won't even post the truth about jobs and training in your own self interest. And therefore the vast majority of you will never work professionally with your licences - steamrollered out of the way by the next wave. Ah well, you reap what you sow.
Rob
I've never seen such inane smugness as displayed here by the jobless.
I note that still none of you have stepped to the plate to tell the next batches following you just what they're facing, the scams and the shysters out to hook them for vast sums of money. As I pointed out a few days ago - there is something poisonous and and isolated to your culture happening here.
In parts of the world with a mature aviation tradition the warnings are giving by all whatever their level of experience. It's particularly baffling as the new batches come out of the schools fresh, eager and most of all current while thousands of you are no longer current and therefore can't compete.
You lot won't even post the truth about jobs and training in your own self interest. And therefore the vast majority of you will never work professionally with your licences - steamrollered out of the way by the next wave. Ah well, you reap what you sow.
Rob
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my words may be harsh but i am only highlighting the facts here. neither i have used dirty slangs here nor would i tolerate one.
it seems you have become a truck driver to pay your bills and your language suggest that as well. if you are hungry and have no money to buy food, i recommend you become the guest of "master chef" show. They are feeding hungry truck drivers these days.
my words may be harsh but i am only highlighting the facts here. neither i have used dirty slangs here nor would i tolerate one.
it seems you have become a truck driver to pay your bills and your language suggest that as well. if you are hungry and have no money to buy food, i recommend you become the guest of "master chef" show. They are feeding hungry truck drivers these days.
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To the mod:
Kindly dont paint everyone in the Indian scene with the same brush!
Yes there are people out here who are smug...
Yes there are most who do not point out the perils to the guys following through but everyone is not the same.
We have our share or rotten apples just as much as the other continents.
Now personally I dont mind the message UJ has but, his constant BS about name calling professionals, that is what really irks and gets on ones nerves here... If he doesnt like this scene and is now SOOO concerned about his relative like he says
WHAT THE HELL WAS HE DOING WHEN THE SAID RELATIVE WAS GOING FOR HIS TRAINING??
The biggest problem we have now in India is for people who entered the line thinking the day they complete the course they would get into the airline.
If you will allow me let me tell you part of the story from India:
1. Most of the crowd that is unemployed now is in the situation because they never checked the viability of the market before taking the plunge. After the heady days of 2005-2007 where everyone was absorbed and airlines were screaming for pilots because of insane expansion plans EVERYONE who had a dream once upon a time to be a pilot jumped the gun and started off. 80% of those never planned on a WHAT IF scenario.
2. In India connections (whose son/nephew/brother/sister/daughter/niece one is) has always been the way in for most airlines. Even today when I meet wannabes who want to join the line after high school and I tell them " considering the scene today you are better off going to grad school first or simultaneously working on some other skill on the side." the most common answer I get is: Oh my mother's cousin uncle works in XYZ he says he will definitely get me in.
3. No one had planned that along with him/her there is No GA in India how will they build experience if there is no Airline job??
There have been quite a few posts on the horrors of converting a license in India and the job scene for the new CPL holder coming into the pool.
Regarding corruption in India refer to WE HAVE SPOKEN OUT ABOUT IT:
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ml#post4908526
Since the New Director GCA has come in some things have changed and there is little more accountability.
Regarding job prospects or rather lack of them:
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...formation.html
Heck this thread was STARTED by INDAIR967 for exactly this purpose but unwanted unnecessarily snarky comments by UJ have completely thrown it off the track...
Regarding helping new comers who need clarification :
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...n-medical.html
Regarding how some people circumvent the rules :
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...e-rumours.html
so as you can see we DO try to help those who ask for it. Its just that some of us do dont appreciate people like UJ coming here and telling us what a BITCH our industry and specifically our aviation scene is ( we know it ourselves, thank you very much
)
NOW if he had a point he wanted to make and suggest improvements by all means he is welcome but unless he has something creative to say I am all ears but this moaning and groaning from an outsider who has not seen and experienced anything out here first hand is plain and simple BS!!
Also if he feels so strongly about all if this I would suggest he go to the DGCA office in Delhi for the open house meetings as some of us have done on occasions to suggest improvements and even gotten some changes implemented.
@ unemployed-jackasses:
Am employed earning and capable of feeding those I need to and a few more by God's Grace.
Quote "neither i have used dirty slangs here nor would i tolerate one." unquote
You have not, what you have done is worse.
You have barged in and sullied a amazing and thoroughly professional job, thread and the professionals.
AND WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THAT!
You really want to help someone?? I suggest you start with that relative of yours. If you are really as smart as your 90 percentile GMAT score suggests I am sure you will be able to read the helpful info given here on other threads for newbie pilots and guide him.
P.S Maybe you could guide HIM to this site so that he can look for himself as to what options are open/closed in Indian aviation and get familiar with the good bad and the downright ugly.
'In life as in flying, no prior planning will inevitable lead to a mess!'
Capt Brown
Kindly dont paint everyone in the Indian scene with the same brush!
Yes there are people out here who are smug...
Yes there are most who do not point out the perils to the guys following through but everyone is not the same.
We have our share or rotten apples just as much as the other continents.
Now personally I dont mind the message UJ has but, his constant BS about name calling professionals, that is what really irks and gets on ones nerves here... If he doesnt like this scene and is now SOOO concerned about his relative like he says
WHAT THE HELL WAS HE DOING WHEN THE SAID RELATIVE WAS GOING FOR HIS TRAINING??
The biggest problem we have now in India is for people who entered the line thinking the day they complete the course they would get into the airline.
If you will allow me let me tell you part of the story from India:
1. Most of the crowd that is unemployed now is in the situation because they never checked the viability of the market before taking the plunge. After the heady days of 2005-2007 where everyone was absorbed and airlines were screaming for pilots because of insane expansion plans EVERYONE who had a dream once upon a time to be a pilot jumped the gun and started off. 80% of those never planned on a WHAT IF scenario.
2. In India connections (whose son/nephew/brother/sister/daughter/niece one is) has always been the way in for most airlines. Even today when I meet wannabes who want to join the line after high school and I tell them " considering the scene today you are better off going to grad school first or simultaneously working on some other skill on the side." the most common answer I get is: Oh my mother's cousin uncle works in XYZ he says he will definitely get me in.
3. No one had planned that along with him/her there is No GA in India how will they build experience if there is no Airline job??
There have been quite a few posts on the horrors of converting a license in India and the job scene for the new CPL holder coming into the pool.
Regarding corruption in India refer to WE HAVE SPOKEN OUT ABOUT IT:
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ml#post4908526
Since the New Director GCA has come in some things have changed and there is little more accountability.
Regarding job prospects or rather lack of them:
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...formation.html
Heck this thread was STARTED by INDAIR967 for exactly this purpose but unwanted unnecessarily snarky comments by UJ have completely thrown it off the track...
Regarding helping new comers who need clarification :
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...n-medical.html
Regarding how some people circumvent the rules :
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...e-rumours.html
so as you can see we DO try to help those who ask for it. Its just that some of us do dont appreciate people like UJ coming here and telling us what a BITCH our industry and specifically our aviation scene is ( we know it ourselves, thank you very much
)NOW if he had a point he wanted to make and suggest improvements by all means he is welcome but unless he has something creative to say I am all ears but this moaning and groaning from an outsider who has not seen and experienced anything out here first hand is plain and simple BS!!
Also if he feels so strongly about all if this I would suggest he go to the DGCA office in Delhi for the open house meetings as some of us have done on occasions to suggest improvements and even gotten some changes implemented.
@ unemployed-jackasses:
Am employed earning and capable of feeding those I need to and a few more by God's Grace.
Quote "neither i have used dirty slangs here nor would i tolerate one." unquote
You have not, what you have done is worse.
You have barged in and sullied a amazing and thoroughly professional job, thread and the professionals.
AND WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THAT!
You really want to help someone?? I suggest you start with that relative of yours. If you are really as smart as your 90 percentile GMAT score suggests I am sure you will be able to read the helpful info given here on other threads for newbie pilots and guide him.
P.S Maybe you could guide HIM to this site so that he can look for himself as to what options are open/closed in Indian aviation and get familiar with the good bad and the downright ugly.
'In life as in flying, no prior planning will inevitable lead to a mess!'
Capt Brown
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Ah, the attack is the best form of defence ploy.
Indian wannabees every single week on the wannabees forum surprisingly enough. Not one of you unemployed or working getting in there and telling the truth to them.
That means the system is still taking the vast sums of money from them.
That means there are converting to Indian DGCA with a far more recent date than your certs.
That means they are current and recently tested as current.
That makes them far more employable than you unless you bow to the endemic corruption you rant on about. You join it and make it stronger.
The Indian zombie army is so locked in this ghetto, so smug, so stupid in fact that you can't even manage to act our of err, enlightened self interested. Or is it that deep down you know you and your families have been so savagely stuffed over and conned that you secretly want as many new lemmings as possible to join your non flying purgatory?
No respect for any of you at all until you tell the hordes wanting to follow on behind you the truth you shameless self centered rabble.
Tell them the truth.
Rob
Indian wannabees every single week on the wannabees forum surprisingly enough. Not one of you unemployed or working getting in there and telling the truth to them.
That means the system is still taking the vast sums of money from them.
That means there are converting to Indian DGCA with a far more recent date than your certs.
That means they are current and recently tested as current.
That makes them far more employable than you unless you bow to the endemic corruption you rant on about. You join it and make it stronger.
The Indian zombie army is so locked in this ghetto, so smug, so stupid in fact that you can't even manage to act our of err, enlightened self interested. Or is it that deep down you know you and your families have been so savagely stuffed over and conned that you secretly want as many new lemmings as possible to join your non flying purgatory?
No respect for any of you at all until you tell the hordes wanting to follow on behind you the truth you shameless self centered rabble.
Tell them the truth.
Rob
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fine ... i am doing something constructive as suggested by challenger05.
i dont belong to aviation so i cannot comment on " what to do" within aviation. for those here who accept that this career option is over and looking for "what to do" outside aviation, i am ready to help with current information on career in engg and management.
anyone who wants to move on, please pm me with specific questions. and please dont ask any question related to my education, company, location etc. lets make it career focussed.
i dont belong to aviation so i cannot comment on " what to do" within aviation. for those here who accept that this career option is over and looking for "what to do" outside aviation, i am ready to help with current information on career in engg and management.
anyone who wants to move on, please pm me with specific questions. and please dont ask any question related to my education, company, location etc. lets make it career focussed.
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Originally Posted by PPRuNe Towers
The Indian zombie army is so locked in this ghetto, so smug, so stupid in fact that you can't even manage to act our of err, enlightened self interested. Or is it that deep down you know you and your families have been so savagely stuffed over and conned that you secretly want as many new lemmings as possible to join your non flying purgatory?
No respect for any of you at all until you tell the hordes wanting to follow on behind you the truth you shameless self centered rabble.
No respect for any of you at all until you tell the hordes wanting to follow on behind you the truth you shameless self centered rabble.
and since you seem so concerned about the future of wannabes may I ask why is it that every time I log on to pprune I see multiple ads luring wannabes and qualified pilots for CPL and type rating courses, why not run banners instead to tell everyone the truth about the mess this industry is in ??
I know that's not possible because you need money to run this website and that's understandable.
but what I dont understand is stuff like this that keeps popping up
"new 500 hours line training program in Asia "
are programs like the one above helping this industry and Professional Pilots in any way ?? pprune could atleast make sure that they dont let companies that are contributing to exploitation of pilots and downgrading of Terms and conditions advertise on this website.Why is that not happening ??
Please check posts # 145, # 174 , # 229 in this very thread that MR.UJ has been trying to hijack, there are many more....
My point is if any Indian wannabe goes through this very topic of vacancy information for Indian pilots he/she will quickly realize how bleak the situation is.
maybe you should read this again
Originally Posted by Challenger05
To the mod:
Kindly dont paint everyone in the Indian scene with the same brush!
Yes there are people out here who are smug...
Yes there are most who do not point out the perils to the guys following through but everyone is not the same.
We have our share or rotten apples just as much as the other continents.
Kindly dont paint everyone in the Indian scene with the same brush!
Yes there are people out here who are smug...
Yes there are most who do not point out the perils to the guys following through but everyone is not the same.
We have our share or rotten apples just as much as the other continents.
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That's the ghetto for you isn't it SN?
Not one of you, irrespective of experience, going onto the wannabees forum to tell the weekly influx of starry eyed Indians asking about schools in the States, New Zealand, Australia.
Or is the paucity of intelligence and guts such that the shame of what is going on in Indian aviation is too embarrassing to take onto another forum?
Again, what sort of aviators are you that you can't warn others of what they face?
A lot of you aren't leaping in and straight at my throat on this issue. My polemics seem to be giving you some pause for thought. So while you're thinking consider this: the usual suspects - the expel the expats and hang the FATA brigade - are conspicuously silent. Could it be that if they stick their heads over the parapet on this issue a cold factiual review of their posting histories in public will show years of shouting and posturing and not a single, heartfelt paragraph warning the helplessly enthusiastic and naive as they race each other to see who can throw their family's money away the fastest.
Personally there is a grim satisfaction in knowing the flying schools are financing the forums that give you the real truth. They pay for every word you see here slamming them taking money from you all knowing there are no jobs and the vast majority of you will never fly professionally.
This has gone on for years now and it is to the eternal shame of Indians that you have proven utterly incapable of facing up to the truth and, at least, warning those following on behind you. Lets see if some of you have the decency to start writing to the newbies on the wannabees forum.
Rob
Not one of you, irrespective of experience, going onto the wannabees forum to tell the weekly influx of starry eyed Indians asking about schools in the States, New Zealand, Australia.
Or is the paucity of intelligence and guts such that the shame of what is going on in Indian aviation is too embarrassing to take onto another forum?
Again, what sort of aviators are you that you can't warn others of what they face?
A lot of you aren't leaping in and straight at my throat on this issue. My polemics seem to be giving you some pause for thought. So while you're thinking consider this: the usual suspects - the expel the expats and hang the FATA brigade - are conspicuously silent. Could it be that if they stick their heads over the parapet on this issue a cold factiual review of their posting histories in public will show years of shouting and posturing and not a single, heartfelt paragraph warning the helplessly enthusiastic and naive as they race each other to see who can throw their family's money away the fastest.
Personally there is a grim satisfaction in knowing the flying schools are financing the forums that give you the real truth. They pay for every word you see here slamming them taking money from you all knowing there are no jobs and the vast majority of you will never fly professionally.
This has gone on for years now and it is to the eternal shame of Indians that you have proven utterly incapable of facing up to the truth and, at least, warning those following on behind you. Lets see if some of you have the decency to start writing to the newbies on the wannabees forum.
Rob
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@PPRUNE TOWERS! DUDE! please check the links below.
POST #1
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...ml#post6051146
POST #2
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...ml#post6048900
Before Speaking about something, please know the facts. I have been telling / advising people about the reality as much as i can and im sure so would every one else.
Cheers
POST #1
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...ml#post6051146
POST #2
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...ml#post6048900
Before Speaking about something, please know the facts. I have been telling / advising people about the reality as much as i can and im sure so would every one else.
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Originally Posted by PPRuNe Towers
That's the ghetto for you isn't it SN?
Originally Posted by PPRuNe Towers
Or is the paucity of intelligence and guts such that the shame of what is going on in Indian aviation is too embarrassing to take onto another forum?
Your choice of words as I pointed out in my previous post is not very professional,especially coming from the moderator of a professional pilots forum.....it just comes across as a strong dislike for Indians.
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@towers
Yes they are giving us some pause for thought. It starts like.... 'aah... another jackass'
My polemics seem to be giving you some pause for thought.
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Wondered when you'd pick up the nerve to show your face JG,
No handful of working pilots to have a go at this week on behalf of the 5000+ unemployed 'constituents' you pander to?
Meanwhile here's what the Brits got in just one of the threads in the wannabees forum.
1200 posts over 61 pages - not one potential student had any excuses left for leaping into training from February 2008 onwards without knowing the truth of what was happening in pro aviation.
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...n-upon-us.html
No shortage of other threads like that on the wannabees forum - like it or not that's where potential students go - not this section. Why not spend a while on that thread. I'm sure you'll see why I have been questioning an apparent culture of allowing others to become lemmings without warning. Would some of you have appreciated that thread like that 2 years or more ago?
By the way - did I mention PPRuNe financed 737 ratings with work at the end of the training?
10 of them - we put time, money and effort back into our industry. What about you?
Have you told someone the truth about jobs and aviation in India today?
Does this particular forum and the Indian based sites that you visit reflect reality? Is there some sort of thread always in view on the first page of any forum you use regularly letting people know what the situation for you is really like?
Finally, are your peers, within the Indian flying community, chipping in with genuine information or is is primarily self help for you guys? Are you getting decent information from your peers, even if it is not good news, in the way you see in the link I've provided above?
Rob
No handful of working pilots to have a go at this week on behalf of the 5000+ unemployed 'constituents' you pander to?
Meanwhile here's what the Brits got in just one of the threads in the wannabees forum.
1200 posts over 61 pages - not one potential student had any excuses left for leaping into training from February 2008 onwards without knowing the truth of what was happening in pro aviation.
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...n-upon-us.html
No shortage of other threads like that on the wannabees forum - like it or not that's where potential students go - not this section. Why not spend a while on that thread. I'm sure you'll see why I have been questioning an apparent culture of allowing others to become lemmings without warning. Would some of you have appreciated that thread like that 2 years or more ago?
By the way - did I mention PPRuNe financed 737 ratings with work at the end of the training?
10 of them - we put time, money and effort back into our industry. What about you?
Have you told someone the truth about jobs and aviation in India today?
Does this particular forum and the Indian based sites that you visit reflect reality? Is there some sort of thread always in view on the first page of any forum you use regularly letting people know what the situation for you is really like?
Finally, are your peers, within the Indian flying community, chipping in with genuine information or is is primarily self help for you guys? Are you getting decent information from your peers, even if it is not good news, in the way you see in the link I've provided above?
Rob
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Wondered when you'd pick up the nerve to show your face JG,
not one potential student had any excuses left for leaping into training from February 2008 onwards without knowing the truth of what was happening in pro aviation.
Adolescents always seem to know all the truth.
Have you told someone the truth about jobs and aviation in India today?
Face it... you are getting old... and hateful.. get a beer or two.. and correct it.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I please request you to maintain DECORUM in this forum. I ve started this thread primarily to help those young aspirants get a job by providing info about the market updates. We ve had an unrequired and significant thread drift which was totally unnecessary. Dear, Unemployed Jackass, You are completely doing a wrong thing at the wrong place. If you hold the credentials you ve mentioned, you shouldnt be interfering in this forum atleast not in this thread. This is the INDIAN AVIATION VACANCY INFORMATION. As you do not belong to the Aviation Industry you can open up an thread of your own and provide info people may want to obtain from you.
Bonne landings !
Bonne landings !
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Guys, lets talk about AVIATION! Moderators are requested to delete comments which are not relevant to the topic. There is so much negativity in the forum. I used to love checking out PPRuNe because there are so many professionals here who would love to discuss and help others, but we don't see that anymore.
With this, does anyone have news regarding Indigo's A320 program? Are they still recruiting?
With this, does anyone have news regarding Indigo's A320 program? Are they still recruiting?
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Yup, Indigo HR has been giving off an few LOIs .
Also I believe 30,000 US Dollars for the Type with CAE Spain.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Hope this info helps.
Also I believe 30,000 US Dollars for the Type with CAE Spain.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Hope this info helps.