Spicejet Management Change and Rumours
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Spicejet Management Change and Rumours
Rumour time ! 
With new CEO taking over next month, there is also going to be a complete change of management.
Latest rumours floating around is that Sandeep Verma and Vishal Sawhney (chief pilots) are also on their way out, to be replaced by Elck.
With new CEO taking over next month, there is also going to be a complete change of management.
Latest rumours floating around is that Sandeep Verma and Vishal Sawhney (chief pilots) are also on their way out, to be replaced by Elck.
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I don't think what u r saying is true. I have been talking to one senior commander of spicejet, he says all this is rumor.. he also informed that spice jet has set up a simcenter in bombay, and most of thier hiring will be through this only, as they have finished recruiting cadets... but no change of management...
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also .. the so far happily married couple Sandeep and Vishal are going to file for a divorce !
the wife recently came to know about certain secret dealings hidden from her by husband and became upset.
honeymoon over
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also .. the so far happily married couple Sandeep and Vishal are going to file for a divorce !
the wife recently came to know about certain secret dealings hidden from her by husband and became upset.
honeymoon over
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alphabravocharlie1,
What is your side game here? I do not believe anything that you have postulated but on the assumption that you are right I only see two reasons for your post. A. You are trying to ensure that any unionization gets discovered early by the company and thus gets derailed or B. You have a personal axe to grind with the chief pilots.
I read this column for rumours, but I don't think posting individuals names is productive or fair. They probably do not read the site and thus have no way of defending themselves.
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What is your side game here? I do not believe anything that you have postulated but on the assumption that you are right I only see two reasons for your post. A. You are trying to ensure that any unionization gets discovered early by the company and thus gets derailed or B. You have a personal axe to grind with the chief pilots.
I read this column for rumours, but I don't think posting individuals names is productive or fair. They probably do not read the site and thus have no way of defending themselves.
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Isn\'t it really below the belt to discuss and belittle real people on an anonymous forum? It seems to happen in the South Asia and Far East Forum a lot.
South east Asia has countries that lead in corruption.
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@abc01,Wasn't one of the reason for the breakup between Sandy and Sawhney something to do with the recruitment of P2F FOs?
@devyani, there is talk in the co. about the-love-couple running a P2F scheme for FOs willing to shell out a truckload of money, having hidden the fact from the management and each other.
@devyani, there is talk in the co. about the-love-couple running a P2F scheme for FOs willing to shell out a truckload of money, having hidden the fact from the management and each other.
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what really is going on behind curtains in SG ...
While everyone seems to be talking about the "love couple" chief pilots (Sandy and Sawny), im sure we all know who the person in charge of this pay to fly idea with Simcenter (Miami) and SpiceJet is.
This guy is not an employee of spicejet and flies for the "king of good times".
He basically tried to please everyone in spicejet HR and lied to Sandy about the P2F scheme. According to the original deal, Sandy gets a small cut from the costs of type rating at Simcenter, Miami (FL).
Now, someone has gone and reported this matter to Sandy and Sawnhy about the additional $$$ that the P2F candidate pays for the 500 hours "line training package" at spicejet.
Sandy now wants a huge cut from both the type rating costs and the additional P2F line training costs, and this has really upset the boss.
meanwhile, how long can the other "better half?" of Sandy be kept in the dark ??
Sawny gets to know about this P2F thing and gets extremely upset with Sandy. (Afterall everyone in the company's corruption eco system keeps tabs on each other !!)
now aparently they have kissed and made up and tried to sort out this "love triangle" ! (Sandy, Sawny and the guy in KFA who is handling this P2F scheme.)
the couple get a bigger cut, P2F candidates pay few more $$$ and are happy.
then come more party crashers, who go and inform the DGCA about the P2F scheme !!
..... to be continued soon ! .........
This guy is not an employee of spicejet and flies for the "king of good times".
He basically tried to please everyone in spicejet HR and lied to Sandy about the P2F scheme. According to the original deal, Sandy gets a small cut from the costs of type rating at Simcenter, Miami (FL).
Now, someone has gone and reported this matter to Sandy and Sawnhy about the additional $$$ that the P2F candidate pays for the 500 hours "line training package" at spicejet.
Sandy now wants a huge cut from both the type rating costs and the additional P2F line training costs, and this has really upset the boss.
meanwhile, how long can the other "better half?" of Sandy be kept in the dark ??
Sawny gets to know about this P2F thing and gets extremely upset with Sandy. (Afterall everyone in the company's corruption eco system keeps tabs on each other !!)
now aparently they have kissed and made up and tried to sort out this "love triangle" ! (Sandy, Sawny and the guy in KFA who is handling this P2F scheme.)
the couple get a bigger cut, P2F candidates pay few more $$$ and are happy.
then come more party crashers, who go and inform the DGCA about the P2F scheme !!
..... to be continued soon ! .........
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This guy is not an employee of spicejet and flies for the "king of good times".
im sure we all know who the person in charge of this pay to fly idea with Simcenter (Miami) and SpiceJet is.
then come more party crashers, who go and inform the DGCA about the P2F scheme !!
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I for one will refuse to accept any flights with these P2F guys. I am not a trainer and will not subject myself to a guy whose only qualification to be on my right is his (or daddy's most likely) padded wallet. If these guys only fly with trainers then the progress of the line P2's and P1's will be affected. The only upside i see to this is the bigger account balances for the hustlers involved in this. Passenger safety be damned.
These P2F schemes are derided and scorned at the world over, and has to be nipped in the bud before it becomes the norm.
Good luck to all involved.
These P2F schemes are derided and scorned at the world over, and has to be nipped in the bud before it becomes the norm.
Good luck to all involved.
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I for one will refuse to accept any flights with these P2F guys.
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then come more party crashers, who go and inform the DGCA about the P2F scheme !!
DGCA may end up being an inadvertent spoil sport.
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Steer Clear of Simcenter
My advice..
Stay away from Simcenter, one of my student had lost a considerable fraction of his savings and is now facing a suit from Wachovia, for defaulting on education loan money which was sucked up by JetUniversity which was a sister concern of Simcenter in Florida.
Florida has a lots of nice schools, this is surely not one... for more read here
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Stay away from Simcenter, one of my student had lost a considerable fraction of his savings and is now facing a suit from Wachovia, for defaulting on education loan money which was sucked up by JetUniversity which was a sister concern of Simcenter in Florida.
Florida has a lots of nice schools, this is surely not one... for more read here
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You think it's that tough to find out who the 8-10 guys out of 130 odd FO's are when I work IN the company? These are minor logistical issues which can be sorted with one phone call. You need to aim your sights at bigger issues my little friend.
Don't get me wrong buddy... I have nothing against these P2f guys. It is the system of which we are all victims which is at fault and this is my little (however insignificant and inconsequential) effort to change ar atleast try to influence the very dangerous course that we are treading at the moment.
Don't get me wrong buddy... I have nothing against these P2f guys. It is the system of which we are all victims which is at fault and this is my little (however insignificant and inconsequential) effort to change ar atleast try to influence the very dangerous course that we are treading at the moment.
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Pay to fly doesn't necessarily mean that the guy doesn't know how to fly... he will be no worse a flyer than the guys who paid Dhillon and who are currently flying with you, or who influenced to get in to fly and are currently flying with you.. just for example whatever level my flying skills are currently at, I am sure of one thing they are not going to go down if I manage some money for p2f, neither are they going to become any better if I struggle out upholding a not-to-bribe policy.
In the above sense I say, it will be difficult to figure out who paid to get in, they all will be in same uniform, and your refusal to fly with any of these girls and guys will only bring out to light your prejudice that rich kids cannot be good flyers.
If you think this practice is bad you can stop it right now, I am sure a few on this forum will be willing to share documentary evidence of this scheme with you, or you can give a phone call to get the evidence.
Crux of the above is, pay to fly is not going to statistically reduce the quality of f/o as compared to existing methods of selection it has been using so far. There are hardly any quality filter for selection.
The current method is just as worse, you should refuse flying from today, why wait for these p2f people to join.
In the above sense I say, it will be difficult to figure out who paid to get in, they all will be in same uniform, and your refusal to fly with any of these girls and guys will only bring out to light your prejudice that rich kids cannot be good flyers.
If you think this practice is bad you can stop it right now, I am sure a few on this forum will be willing to share documentary evidence of this scheme with you, or you can give a phone call to get the evidence.
Crux of the above is, pay to fly is not going to statistically reduce the quality of f/o as compared to existing methods of selection it has been using so far. There are hardly any quality filter for selection.
The current method is just as worse, you should refuse flying from today, why wait for these p2f people to join.
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is this person clearing a written test. NO
Is this person clearing a psychometry test. NO
Is this person clearing an interview with spice. NO
Does this person have his/her training done by Spice trainers adhering to Spice procs and policies. NO
Does this person have ANY commitment to this airline. NO
Please share statistics to support your claim. Don't throw around vague facts which you cannot support. This is another attempt to reduce the T&C's of pilots and does not bode well for the future. you are more than welcome to browse the FR and EZ forums and the pains people are going through with similiar P2F schemes. Again I am not a trainer and this scheme specifically specifies the term line training program for the flying phase.
I NEVER questioned their ability to fly well. i just question their ability to seamlessly slot into the spice way of doing things. I dunno rich boy if I touched a nerve with you but money has NOTHING to do with aptitiude.
DO NOT MANIPULATE MY POSTS TO JUSTIFY YOUR ARGUMENT. Again, instead of personal attacks try to address the bigger issues.
Over and out.
Is this person clearing a psychometry test. NO
Is this person clearing an interview with spice. NO
Does this person have his/her training done by Spice trainers adhering to Spice procs and policies. NO
Does this person have ANY commitment to this airline. NO
Please share statistics to support your claim. Don't throw around vague facts which you cannot support. This is another attempt to reduce the T&C's of pilots and does not bode well for the future. you are more than welcome to browse the FR and EZ forums and the pains people are going through with similiar P2F schemes. Again I am not a trainer and this scheme specifically specifies the term line training program for the flying phase.
I NEVER questioned their ability to fly well. i just question their ability to seamlessly slot into the spice way of doing things. I dunno rich boy if I touched a nerve with you but money has NOTHING to do with aptitiude.
DO NOT MANIPULATE MY POSTS TO JUSTIFY YOUR ARGUMENT. Again, instead of personal attacks try to address the bigger issues.
Over and out.
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is this person clearing a written test. NO
Is this person clearing a psychometry test. NO
Is this person clearing an interview with spice. NO
Does this person have his/her training done by Spice trainers adhering to Spice procs and policies. NO
Does this person have ANY commitment to this airline. NO
Is this person clearing a psychometry test. NO
Is this person clearing an interview with spice. NO
Does this person have his/her training done by Spice trainers adhering to Spice procs and policies. NO
Does this person have ANY commitment to this airline. NO
You are writing as though you are a stranger here. May be you are.
The p2f guy will be doing all that you have listed.
He will clear a written test.
He will clear a psychometric test.
He will also be interviewed by one the the love couples...
Simcenter will bring them upto spice jet standards and procedures..
But yes, this guy will not have any commitment with spice jet, not because he is a rich brat(probably not anymore after having paid all that money) but because spice-jet will not enter in any commitment with him.
He has paid for his type rating he will not be under any training bond. By the way isn't commitment an already out of fashion word in aviation HR world.
Please share statistics to support your claim. Don't throw around vague facts which you cannot support. This is another attempt to reduce the T&C's of pilots and does not bode well for the future. you are more than welcome to browse the FR and EZ forums and the pains people are going through with similiar P2F schemes. Again I am not a trainer and this scheme specifically specifies the term line training program for the flying phase.
Pilots' T&C are going to go down, I being a pilot will be the last person to want that or support that. All this sure will not bode well with the future, but no authority or organisation will ever be able or willing to investigate the side effects of this on aviation industry.
I am not an airline trainer, but if I were one, I will evaluate the trainee f/o without prejudice to if he had paid for the training or not. I expect the same from you, but your willingness to refuse to fly with them indicates that you may be unable to do this.
Since this is going to be the one of very first Indian P2F I cannot come up with any statistics. But only thing I know is being rich doesn't necessarily make you a bad pilot. But if being rich is only selection criteria, then of course its is unfair to those who are poor. Being unfair to poor, unfortunately cannot be corrected by exacting a revenge from the rich, by being unfair to them.
I NEVER questioned their ability to fly well. i just question their ability to seamlessly slot into the spice way of doing things. I dunno rich boy if I touched a nerve with you but money has NOTHING to do with aptitiude.
And if you have real reasons to believe that spice has some out of the world ways of flying theses jets, then I guess you should stop flying immediately until its corrected and brought back to worldly standards.
Here is some things for you to ponder,
1. What was the selection criteria, when United Aviation started selecting cadets for Spice Jet, was it any more strict than "should be able afford to pay for the elevated prices of training being charged by United Aviation"?
2. What percentage of these cadets are already in spice jet? Is that a big number? Has anyone been thrown out cause he/she lacked flying skills or aptitude. Or, if she/he hit the prop on the tarmac, ah.. sorry spice doesn't fly any props.
3. Spice has recruited too many f/os out of the cadet program, much to frustration of the unemployed cadets. Were they selected from the whole pool of 4-5000 available pilots?
If you can't figure out what this all represents, don't take it too hard not all are gifted with reason in the same manner as I am gifted with wealth.