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Mate sorry to hear that you did not pass the flight grading! Try and see if you can get a second shot at it, their is no harm in asking and try and go for the long course if they say no then at least you tried...
You say you have'nt flown an SEP for over a year? Can I ask if you've been flying recently on which a/c... and did you do the first four flights in the Grob what sort of stuff did you have to do and do they give you enough time to prepare or is it rushed??
I hope it works out for you!
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You say you have'nt flown an SEP for over a year? Can I ask if you've been flying recently on which a/c... and did you do the first four flights in the Grob what sort of stuff did you have to do and do they give you enough time to prepare or is it rushed??
I hope it works out for you!
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I did the advanced entry flight grading which is meant to be 7 flights on the Tobago. The first flight was general handling, stalls, wing overs and unusual attitudes and turns ranging from medium to steep. You have to be up to standeard as youre only marked out of 5 and if the instructor has to verbally correct you on anything, your grade reduces immediately. Doesnt matter if you get mostly 4s, you get a 3 your overall grade for that flight is a 3. Flight 2 involved cicuits only, Flapless, Glide and short take offs and landing. The third part was instrument stuff conducted under the hood. The 4 th flight was a general nav around 180nm round trip with a precautionary search and landing conducted at a dirt strip. I can not comment on the advanced course, for people with over 30 hours but under 250 hours. All I know is that you do 3 flights on the Grob 115 and 3 simulator flights in the King Air sim.Theres plenty of info posted further back. Good luck everyone
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SW1 were you given much of a brief before flight grading of what you were going to have to do? Sounds pretty harsh considering it's probably an unfamiliar aircraft type, were you expected to perform a wingover with no brief? I've never even done aerobatics so seems a bit harsh for them to expect that as that isn't really involved in the CPL skills test? Also flying in a country you might never have flown in before?
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The flight grading will take into account unfamiliarity with aircraft and airspace, if you don't make the grade it is because you didn't make the grade. I am afraid those of you that get into CX have to get used to this, every two months as an SO you do a 4 hour sim session with 8 sections marked from 1 to 5 just like flight grading. You also have a line check every year with 17 sections marked from 1 to 5. Get lots of 3's or lower and go for a chat, keep doing it and you have extra training, keep doing it and you get fired. On upgrade to JFO from SO I think it is 40 line training sectors all marked from 1 to 5. Mess it up get another go then get fired. People who have been here for a while mess something up or upset the wrong guy and have extra line checks and sometimes get fired. Dont email saying you were unfairly treated, try again if you have the opportunity but emailing saying its not fair will just confirm their decision to fail you.
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Re-applications
Hi all,
I applied last october (09) and got a interview in London in Feb (10), but rejected on the basis that I still had a year and a half of uni left ( I applied with the expectation my application would take a age to be processed).
Anyway a nice gent phoned me after the interview telling me to reapply at the same time next year - but their online system won't let me as apparently it hasnt been over 12 months (which it has). Any ideas how I can get incontact with them again - sadly I'v lost the phone number I got the phone call from.
Thank's
I applied last october (09) and got a interview in London in Feb (10), but rejected on the basis that I still had a year and a half of uni left ( I applied with the expectation my application would take a age to be processed).
Anyway a nice gent phoned me after the interview telling me to reapply at the same time next year - but their online system won't let me as apparently it hasnt been over 12 months (which it has). Any ideas how I can get incontact with them again - sadly I'v lost the phone number I got the phone call from.
Thank's
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Flight Grading
DDobinpilot:
Don't worry they won't get you to jump in the plane and start doing wingovers straight away, in fact you get plenty of briefs and study material. The instructors are happy to take as many questions as you have and they will demonstrate each manoeuvre in the airplane and let you have a practice before grading you.
I have a blog post with a little bit of information about flight grading, if anyone is interested PM me.
Don't worry they won't get you to jump in the plane and start doing wingovers straight away, in fact you get plenty of briefs and study material. The instructors are happy to take as many questions as you have and they will demonstrate each manoeuvre in the airplane and let you have a practice before grading you.
I have a blog post with a little bit of information about flight grading, if anyone is interested PM me.
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overview and what a/c etc. for flight grading
Hi All,
I'm awating word re: progression to flight grading. Generally all the info posted has been accurate - don't worry about exact questions in the interviews, it comes down to your background and current level re:hours etc. and what just pops into the interviewers head, i.e. if you are relatively young with low hours most of the questioning seems to be technical, if you are older and have the associated 'baggage' (like me) you will ge a mix of personal and technical (emphasis on the former) as they want to know you are a good investment.
Overstudy! I studied the specs for all the types flown by SO's particularly the B744 (as it's my favorite)...fuel sys., hydraulic sys., routes flown etc....guess how much I got asked re:744- nothin' apart from what type of a/c is that?.....a B744, good to know I had the answers ready though.
Generally they expect you to be passionate and have a sound knowledge of what you currently fly/ study and an at least basic working knowledge of a level above your current situation.
SW1 - Is the flight grading definately:
0-30 hours: Grob
30-250 hours: Grob and ?Sim
250-above: ALL in Tobago?
(as I have above 250 and trying to find info on whic a/c I will be in etc.)
I'm awating word re: progression to flight grading. Generally all the info posted has been accurate - don't worry about exact questions in the interviews, it comes down to your background and current level re:hours etc. and what just pops into the interviewers head, i.e. if you are relatively young with low hours most of the questioning seems to be technical, if you are older and have the associated 'baggage' (like me) you will ge a mix of personal and technical (emphasis on the former) as they want to know you are a good investment.
Overstudy! I studied the specs for all the types flown by SO's particularly the B744 (as it's my favorite)...fuel sys., hydraulic sys., routes flown etc....guess how much I got asked re:744- nothin' apart from what type of a/c is that?.....a B744, good to know I had the answers ready though.
Generally they expect you to be passionate and have a sound knowledge of what you currently fly/ study and an at least basic working knowledge of a level above your current situation.
SW1 - Is the flight grading definately:
0-30 hours: Grob
30-250 hours: Grob and ?Sim
250-above: ALL in Tobago?
(as I have above 250 and trying to find info on whic a/c I will be in etc.)
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Education records
Hey all!
Was just wondering whether there's anyone out there that has been approved for Stage 1 or further and is in their late 20's or older- did they ask you for your high school records?
Just wondering because I'm 30 and since completing high school 12 years ago have finished a diploma.. I would assume they'd be more interested in the diploma than the high school marks?
Cheers in advance
Was just wondering whether there's anyone out there that has been approved for Stage 1 or further and is in their late 20's or older- did they ask you for your high school records?
Just wondering because I'm 30 and since completing high school 12 years ago have finished a diploma.. I would assume they'd be more interested in the diploma than the high school marks?
Cheers in advance
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Ravens Progressive Matrices
For anyone wanting to sample the Ravens, found this site with one round on it:
http://www.clipsite.com.ar/HOME/Salud/Test/Raven/
For anyone who doesn't know (as I didn't) nombre is name, and edad is age.
Not peeing in my own pocket at all, but I got 59/60, so assuming that this may be an easier one? Does anyone know of any other samples such as this on the web?
Blue ones
http://www.clipsite.com.ar/HOME/Salud/Test/Raven/
For anyone who doesn't know (as I didn't) nombre is name, and edad is age.
Not peeing in my own pocket at all, but I got 59/60, so assuming that this may be an easier one? Does anyone know of any other samples such as this on the web?
Blue ones
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Thanks SW1-better find a tobago...
ozyskygirl: yeah I'm 'older' and no my high school marks are'nt too flash but they still want them - but my more recent studies show what I'm really capable of when I'm not 17 and know nothing- wonder if that got me thru the first stage..
ozyskygirl: yeah I'm 'older' and no my high school marks are'nt too flash but they still want them - but my more recent studies show what I'm really capable of when I'm not 17 and know nothing- wonder if that got me thru the first stage..
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ravens test
before my stage one mid year, i used this link (http://www.iqtest.dk/main.swf) to practice ravens matrices. its the exact same layout and exact same type of questions. don't waste your time trying to find the actual test as i haven't heard anyone in the last year or two who had found it. practice this and develop techniques and scans through the grid, and you will breeze the test
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Hope this helps !
I applied during the summer of this year and got a call for the stage 1 interview in 3 weeks! I had HK as my preferred location and I followed up my application with a very detailed email expressing a deep interest in the job. (check out pilotcareercenter.com for CX contact info) 
. I have a degree Aeronautics and over 1000hrs total flight time through working as a flight instructor in the United States. My stage 1 was on Sept 20th and here is what I was asked:
- How did you find out about this program?
- Are you eligible for any other Cadet programs?
- Why didn't you apply to them?
- Why did you go to the USA to study?
- What would you do if we don't hire you?
- Why are you moving to Dubai?
- What got you interested in flying?
- How did you pay for your flight training and CFI/II?
-Why don't you just stay in the USA and work your way into a major airline there?
- Describe your experience in flight training?
- Describe your flight instructing experience? What challenges confronted you? How did you overcome them? What did you learn from them?
- How do you feel about being a student pilot again?
- What is the upgrade time for our second officers?
- Who is our director of flight operations?
- Who is our CEO?
- What is the composition of our fleet?
- What aircraft did we recently place on order for? How many?
- If you had the choice, which aircraft would you fly in our fleet? Why?
- What destinations do we fly to in Europe?
- How would your friends describe you?
- What are your strengths? Weaknesses?
- What do think of Hong Kong?
- How do you feel about moving to Hong Kong? Living expenses? Lifestyle?
- Where do we do our cadet pilot training? What school, airport, city, state, and country?
- How long will you be there? Is there a short course for candidates with experience?
- What training aircraft and simulators will you fly?
- What licenses/ ratings will you come out of there with? How many hours will you get?
- What job will the airline potentially offer you after cadet training?
- What are the duties of an SO?
- Why should we hire you?
Technical:
- Why have you logged PIC and Dual received during the same flight?
- What is International Standard Atmosphere?
- What is the weight of air?
- What are the weather patterns in Hong Kong?
- What are the ingredients of a Typhoon? What is the required water temperature and to what depth?
- What runways do we have at Hong Kong International? How long are they?
- What does CFR stand for when you see that sign at an airport?
- What is the usable fuel in a C152?
- Does a C152 have a utility category?
- What is the blue line speed on the Duchess?
- What is the critical engine on the Duchess?
- What aircraft is that parked outside? How did you figure that out?
- What engines do have on our B747's? B777's? How much thrust do these engines produce?
-Explain fowler flaps?
- What flaps are on a B747? What about leading edge high-lift devices?
- Have you done much actual instrument flying?
- What are the dimensions of a localizer?
- How many satellites in the GPS constellation? How many are needed to triangulate your position? What is their orbital altitude? Does GPS use CA or P?
- What do you teach a student on their first lesson?
- Teach me about spins as if you are teaching a student pilot?
- Can you spin a twin?
They asked me if I had any questions. I asked them about the short training course, logging time as an SO, payscales, taxes, benefits, and upgrade times.
Had my stage 2 interview a few days ago:
The HR questions were about the same except they REALLY wanted to know why I didn't follow through with Aerospace Engineering in University. They were trying to convince me that it would have been a lot more exciting than working as a Second Officer because all you really do spend a lot of time in the dark and there is no hands on flying. I think they were just trying to gauge my reaction under pressure.
A few new HR questions during stage 2:
-Would you be willing to commute to HK for the job if you had to?
-Later, when you become an FO and are older and may have a family, you will still not get housing allowance. How do plan to deal with that?
-The cadet program was only for HK residents. Why has it gone international.
-Why do we have a cadet program at all?
-Have you considered Type-Rating yourself and getting into an airline that way?
There were a few technical questions that were repeated but there were a few new ones too:
-Draw the RB211 and GE90 engines on the board, highlighting the differences.
-What gauges do we have in the cockpit for these engines?
-Where is the EGT measured from?
-Where is the RPM measured from?
-Identify the model on the table (777-300ER)
-What is the purpose of the raked wingtips and how do they work?
-Describe all the fire extinguishing systems on the 777.
-Once both bottles for 1 engine have been released into the engine and the fire has not been put out, can we use the bottles from the other engine? (fire extinguisher crossfeed?)
-What are the brakes made of?
-What are these? and what is their purpose? (points to the canoe flap fairings)
-What is the pressure, in PSI, of the flaps' hydraulic system (777)?
- What is the composition of the air in the tires?
Unfortunately, I cant remember precisely everything that was asked and how it was asked but I hope this helps
. I have a degree Aeronautics and over 1000hrs total flight time through working as a flight instructor in the United States. My stage 1 was on Sept 20th and here is what I was asked:- How did you find out about this program?
- Are you eligible for any other Cadet programs?
- Why didn't you apply to them?
- Why did you go to the USA to study?
- What would you do if we don't hire you?
- Why are you moving to Dubai?
- What got you interested in flying?
- How did you pay for your flight training and CFI/II?
-Why don't you just stay in the USA and work your way into a major airline there?
- Describe your experience in flight training?
- Describe your flight instructing experience? What challenges confronted you? How did you overcome them? What did you learn from them?
- How do you feel about being a student pilot again?
- What is the upgrade time for our second officers?
- Who is our director of flight operations?
- Who is our CEO?
- What is the composition of our fleet?
- What aircraft did we recently place on order for? How many?
- If you had the choice, which aircraft would you fly in our fleet? Why?
- What destinations do we fly to in Europe?
- How would your friends describe you?
- What are your strengths? Weaknesses?
- What do think of Hong Kong?
- How do you feel about moving to Hong Kong? Living expenses? Lifestyle?
- Where do we do our cadet pilot training? What school, airport, city, state, and country?
- How long will you be there? Is there a short course for candidates with experience?
- What training aircraft and simulators will you fly?
- What licenses/ ratings will you come out of there with? How many hours will you get?
- What job will the airline potentially offer you after cadet training?
- What are the duties of an SO?
- Why should we hire you?
Technical:
- Why have you logged PIC and Dual received during the same flight?
- What is International Standard Atmosphere?
- What is the weight of air?
- What are the weather patterns in Hong Kong?
- What are the ingredients of a Typhoon? What is the required water temperature and to what depth?
- What runways do we have at Hong Kong International? How long are they?
- What does CFR stand for when you see that sign at an airport?
- What is the usable fuel in a C152?
- Does a C152 have a utility category?
- What is the blue line speed on the Duchess?
- What is the critical engine on the Duchess?
- What aircraft is that parked outside? How did you figure that out?
- What engines do have on our B747's? B777's? How much thrust do these engines produce?
-Explain fowler flaps?
- What flaps are on a B747? What about leading edge high-lift devices?
- Have you done much actual instrument flying?
- What are the dimensions of a localizer?
- How many satellites in the GPS constellation? How many are needed to triangulate your position? What is their orbital altitude? Does GPS use CA or P?
- What do you teach a student on their first lesson?
- Teach me about spins as if you are teaching a student pilot?
- Can you spin a twin?
They asked me if I had any questions. I asked them about the short training course, logging time as an SO, payscales, taxes, benefits, and upgrade times.
Had my stage 2 interview a few days ago:
The HR questions were about the same except they REALLY wanted to know why I didn't follow through with Aerospace Engineering in University. They were trying to convince me that it would have been a lot more exciting than working as a Second Officer because all you really do spend a lot of time in the dark and there is no hands on flying. I think they were just trying to gauge my reaction under pressure.
A few new HR questions during stage 2:
-Would you be willing to commute to HK for the job if you had to?
-Later, when you become an FO and are older and may have a family, you will still not get housing allowance. How do plan to deal with that?
-The cadet program was only for HK residents. Why has it gone international.
-Why do we have a cadet program at all?
-Have you considered Type-Rating yourself and getting into an airline that way?
There were a few technical questions that were repeated but there were a few new ones too:
-Draw the RB211 and GE90 engines on the board, highlighting the differences.
-What gauges do we have in the cockpit for these engines?
-Where is the EGT measured from?
-Where is the RPM measured from?
-Identify the model on the table (777-300ER)
-What is the purpose of the raked wingtips and how do they work?
-Describe all the fire extinguishing systems on the 777.
-Once both bottles for 1 engine have been released into the engine and the fire has not been put out, can we use the bottles from the other engine? (fire extinguisher crossfeed?)
-What are the brakes made of?
-What are these? and what is their purpose? (points to the canoe flap fairings)
-What is the pressure, in PSI, of the flaps' hydraulic system (777)?
- What is the composition of the air in the tires?
Unfortunately, I cant remember precisely everything that was asked and how it was asked but I hope this helps
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WHAT?!
Eddie757 you got asked this?...
-Later, when you become an FO and are older and may have a family, you will still not get housing allowance. How do plan to deal with that?
I heard that cadets get housing after their time as S/Os? i.e. when they become F/Os
That raises the question, do cadets EVER get housing in their time with CX??
Thanks for the responses
-Later, when you become an FO and are older and may have a family, you will still not get housing allowance. How do plan to deal with that?
I heard that cadets get housing after their time as S/Os? i.e. when they become F/Os
That raises the question, do cadets EVER get housing in their time with CX??
Thanks for the responses
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CX pilot union is fighting for a housing allowance for all Cadets, even those of you who can't live with your parents once you take this job. Otherwise, a cadet will not get a housing allowance until they become Captain. So, 15-20 years at this rate.