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Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme

Old 21st Jul 2011, 00:05
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I am SO glad that I will be retiring in the next few years before some of these clowns get through the system.

When and IF they do, to paraphrase Capt. Underpants,: 'god help you all...' .

The company manuals may also have to be translated into Gen Y textspeak.
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 02:45
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I am sure it won't be too much of a loss to the "clowns" amongst us.
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 02:51
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All these people with a job don't realise how lucky they actually are.
You make the arrogant assumption that those of us already here didnít do it hard on the way here. For the record your current earnings are a direct result of your own actions. It is quite obvious that you havenít learnt a thing from your past mistakes as you are about to make the very same ones all over again and sell yourself down the toilet. The only difference is that this time it will be for the rest of your career.

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If you canít be bothered writing your posts in plain English then you have no hope of an interview here. TXT gibberish is a sign of laziness.
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 05:03
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Yes it's all doom and gloom for Cathay Pacific now. Cadets are the incompetent spawn of satan and are doing nothing but drag the rest of the industry down with them, etc, etc...

Some of you guys sound like a real great bunch to fly with.



See you in the skies...
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 05:10
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404 titan hihi and Captain Fart you hav no idea how much e want these great oportunity to flie with cathay ok ever since i am young it is my dream to fly for airline like cathay its the only chance i have so through this cadetship i hope to achieve our dreams so leave us alone wanabes ok

Good luck to people lile dangerman and thierry we are the hard workerss
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 06:07
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Originally Posted by Captain Dart
I am SO glad that I will be retiring in the next few years...
I can safely bet you're not the only one looking forward to your departure.
 
Old 21st Jul 2011, 07:04
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Yeah, well, my departure may be celebrated on both sides, but individuals joining on these appalling terms will be seen to be undercutting and putting pressure on the conditions of service of current crew.

They will be sharing a flight deck for hours through the night (and sometimes the following day) with plenty of other pilots who will see them as an industrial threat, after I am long gone.

The 'old hands' who post on this thread should be fairly obvious to most of you and their posts should be read very, very carefully.
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 07:48
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doing nothing but drag the rest of the industry down with them, etc, etc...
Sounds a lot like an industry I previously worked in. I survived 2 rounds of layoffs/outsourcing but finally management decided it was more profitable to move ops offshore and replace 80% of current staff with foreigners whose expectations and conditions were much less. Sh!t happens.. you learn to move on.

No matter how much of an asset you think you are to the company, just ask your boss and he or she will tell you that "nobody is irreplaceable" at any price, there is always someone more desperate who will do the same job for much less money. We live in a desperate world and things are going to get much worse before they get better.
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 08:41
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404 Titan,

I am by no means saying that nobody at CX did not have a hard time getting there. You make assumptions to the fact I have had a vast field of choices from which companies to choose from and what packages I would like to take. In reality over the years there hasn't been a snippet of a chance to go anywhere else. I have done my hard share at the bottom and after living like a complete bum for a few years I would actually like to earn enough money for food. (Que the sarcastic comments that if I get this job I would still be living like a bum). I understand that some people at the company are complaining about current conditions and I feel for them. If all of you who are on here who keep moaning about the conditions come up with a better alternative career choice (which doesn't involve getting your own TR etc) then I'd be MORE than happy to listen and very grateful. However after years struggling at the bottom, I feel quite entitled to move onto one of the only choices I have out there.

I have my reasons and I don't want to get drawn into a big heated discussion on this forum for days to come so I'll leave it with this post. It's not like me to even get drawn into these same old pprune discussions but I had a rush of blood to the head last night.

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Old 21st Jul 2011, 11:00
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There are jobs out there. Just far too few wannabes willing to, let alone have the kahoonas to go for them.

A "snippet" of a chance? I'm sorry, but that shows how little research you have actually done. I fly all over the world and see many, many opportunities for guys to go straight into a RHS of a commercial jet via cadetships, or with the pitiful requirement of 500 hrs TT.

GA?? (Ooopps! Swear word!)

For generations pilots were able to do it but all of a sudden offer a cheap and nasty way into a widebody and miraculously these other jobs have dried up??!!

If all of you who are on here who keep moaning about the conditions come up with a better alternative career choice (which doesn't involve getting your own TR etc) then I'd be MORE than happy to listen and very grateful.
Sorry fella, while I have posted these options before I'm not going to do the work for you. Although that is what so many of you seek: a short cut with least amount of effort. And at the same time lower the industry and force pressure onto the present day CX terms and conditions.

I feel quite entitled to move onto one of the only choices I have out there.
(Highlighting and underscoring done by me)

So there you have it. You feel an ENTITLEMENT. Screw credentials, experience, knowledge, and so on, and so on. How dare anyone argue with your sense of ENTITLEMENT!!??!

GA is it's own weeding yard. If it's just too tough then maybe that's telling you something when you can't get ahead or progress? Or better yet, go somewhere where skill, determination, experience, etc are no longer needed at the cost of standards, safety, least of all integrity - CX iCadet.

I just hope no one makes it too tough for you!! Perish the thought of disturbing your ENTITLEMENT!!
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 12:09
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Hahaha,

don't make me laugh. Entitlement!! I am not saying I'm entitled to get the job. I'm saying I'm entitled to go for the job which all of you moan about because of the opportunities. I think it's a great offer and one which I'll be glad to have (if I were offered it). It makes me laugh how you presume that I haven't been trying hard enough to get into the airlines. What do you know. The industry is the way it is in terms of the packages offered. I'm dealing with it and maybe it's time for people to stop moaning all the bloody time. Just get on with it. If there are so many great opportunities out there why don't you quit your current position and go seek one of the many out there, that you've seen, for a better package. Let me know how you get on and good luck.
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 13:17
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"Its a great offer" You say?.... No. An overwhelming majority of "experienced" pilots with "CX knowledge", "widebody international airline ops" will tell you in no uncertain terms that it isn't. But in your paralyzed head in the sand view they / we are all wrong.

Quit my present position? See, that's what the likes of you don't comprehend. Give up on the hard work and sacrifice that I went through for many years to sell out my industry, my colleagues and my own future? Not a hope in hell. Integrity is never up for sale: least of all to the lowest bidder.

"Let me know how you get on"...? Do what so many of you hopeful iCadets are so pathetically incapable of doing. Do some background reading (of my previous posts, my present job, etc) before asking questions that have been answered so many, many, many, MANY times before. Of course, like the tech knowledge and general overall job seeker commitment you all seem to have, you want others to do that work for you. Do your own damn reading & research.

(PS: There are a few documents such as FCOM, SOP's, FCTM,s AFM's, etc are quite thick with many pages you are expected to read. Yes, yes.... There are some pretty pictures of shiny jets so relax. You'll probably try to buy an audio book instead).

Some believe they are "ENTITLED" to reduce the overall well being of an airline and industry as a whole. Others do not. Your call. Your conscience. Just don't defend it with pathetic "it's all too tough to do it any other way" rubbish.

What you see as an ENTITLEMENT the vast majority of "experienced" pilots see as a complete sell out.

"So Dangerman! Why did you apply to CX?"

"Well illustrious interviewer, I felt entitled to take the offer of an interview."

Capt Dart is spot on. (It's a post above, so you may have to do some other reading instead of asking others to provide you with an abbreviated rendition......)

A lot to say for someone who stated:
I have my reasons and I don't want to get drawn into a big heated discussion on this forum for days to come so I'll leave it with this post. It's not like me to even get drawn into these same old pprune discussions but I had a rush of blood to the head last night.
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 13:55
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Incase you didn't realise, when I asked for help, it was with a sarcastic undertone so please don't flatter yourself mister experienced pilot. I have done my research, I have applied to every airline I can think of, I have sent my cv off to everyone and everywhere I can think of. I am happy with the package and I am not going to be stupid enough to stay swimming in the sand box if I have an opportunity to finally get paid more than £400 pounds a month. You have your opinion and I respect that. This is a good opportunity for me and I'm not apologising to anyone for going for it. Say what you want, I'm angry with myself for being drawn into this discussion (which is my own fault). Good day
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 17:14
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Dangerman12,

Most of us CX pilots have - at some stage - made 400 quid a month so we all know how it feels... the difference is that we didnt jump at the first opportunity to fly a jet no matter how much the airline offered... we all did our research knowing that the CX package on offer pre 2009 was good enough to survive and live comfortably away from home - leaving home to become an expat has to worth it.

First and last post to you so don't even bother argueing this point...

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Old 22nd Jul 2011, 01:08
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This is the wannabe's section of the Fragrant Harbour forum isn't it? All I have read over the past few days is a disconcerting amount of negativity from people who are already in the industry, once in the shoes of the people they are trying to put off. I wonder, if faced with the same disgusting bulk of detrimental information on these pages how you would have reacted, would you have shied away or carried on regardless?

If you want to rant and moan about how this generation is a disheveled waste of space that will need the training manuals converting into "txt" language to understand it, then do it elsewhere please. Give us the chance to communicate openly with the others going through the selection, and let us make our minds up. Surely that's only fair?

Chinabeached does not work for Cx, so don't take his comments to heart, get your heads down and work your a*ses off, as the selection is still no easy task.

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Old 22nd Jul 2011, 01:24
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OK, here goes:

I received a PM from a "wannabe" on this forum that read

hi mate
I sent u a mesage earlier , i saw dat u were going 2 reply but since my mesgae memory was full i dint receive it can u reply for the mesage dat i sent u earlier

thankyou
I responded with

Please do not email me for information.

Thank you.
And the person responded with

fine its ok

But learn helping somebody is not a bad things but world comprises people with different attitudes , so i am not amazed about ur reply
And you wonder what quality (or lack of) applicant is being attracted?

I truly despair for the future of this airline.

I do like the "mate" touch at the beginning considering I've never spoken to, corresponded with or know this person at all. A complete stranger. From the Indian subcontinent...mate.
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Old 22nd Jul 2011, 01:44
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Tupps: the style of grammar, the imbecilic questions that are asked, the complete and utter inability to research factual information from credible sources other than a RUMOUR network is a complete indictment of the type of wannabe CX is now attracting.

Go back to the pre-iCadet forums on this website and you will see a vast difference in the discussions.

Yes, this is a wannabes section that is also open to others posting questions to such idiotic and ignorant questions. It is also a place for those with the FACTUAL knowledge of things to pass that same information on.

Give us the chance to communicate openly with the others going through the selection, and let us make our minds up. Surely that's only fair?
"Communicate openly" in a language that insults basic human literacy and hence reflective of the type of applicant the current CX professionals may have to work with?

"Let us make our own minds up" you say? Oh! But please don't provide or write anything that is negative to the ill-gotten, pipe-dreamt, illogical and pathetic excuses that are used to justify a decision to sell out the airline and industry as a whole?? So only opinions that service this need are welcomed?

I'm glad you're open to a balanced debate - so long as you only hear the things that service your train of thought.
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Old 22nd Jul 2011, 10:16
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20000+ applications worldwide, less than 2000 had/will have, the chance to get invited. From them many will be cut out from the process because of English!

Anyone can ask for information,. Now if someone who passed the 1st interview, came up here and ask questions in poor English, that will be alarming, to say the least.
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Old 23rd Jul 2011, 00:29
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Well said Orwell, the post seems to have gone dead, don't be afraid to post guys. Let's get things moving again. What would be your fleet of choice if you were able to choose? (Chinabeached I am aware you aren't able to choose before you pick up on it)

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Old 23rd Jul 2011, 04:19
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The fleet you "choose" is utterly irrelevant.

You're NOT type rated, you DON'T accumulate any credit hours, you DON'T handle the aircraft - ever.

For FOUR years, minimum.
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