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Hey guys,
so I came across this piece of information the other day:
CX do require you to sign a 6 year non-binding bond with them, so you will have to work for them for 6 years or else they can ask u to pay them back the training cost, but it is non-binding as it is not legal to have a binding contract in Hong Kong, so you can look at it as there are no bond if u want.
I am so confused, can someone please once and for all clear up the situation with this whole bond....
Cheers
so I came across this piece of information the other day:
CX do require you to sign a 6 year non-binding bond with them, so you will have to work for them for 6 years or else they can ask u to pay them back the training cost, but it is non-binding as it is not legal to have a binding contract in Hong Kong, so you can look at it as there are no bond if u want.
I am so confused, can someone please once and for all clear up the situation with this whole bond....
- What is the no. of years you are bonded to Cathay?
- How exactly does this bond work?
- If you decide to walk before the set number of years can Cathay actually make you pay it back and how?
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Once again, EM773failed won't shut up.
Now, we know you failed to make it. That's fine. You've said your piece, now piss off. You have nothing to contribute to this thread. You know very little about the deal, but worst, is that you, with bugger all experience as a pilot (and clearly as a human) think you can talk the deal down.
Due to your failure, you're bitter enough to pretend you know better than those who rejected you. Don't be an idiot. Just come back at a later date, and let everyone know where you are, and we'll do a thorough analysis against the CX cadet programme.
Like I've said before, I'm all for the retention of the previous contract, but my god, would those who've said their bit just bugger off, and let those who want to ask direct questions about the scheme do so, and let them be answered without the utter morons on this thread who think that they'll achieve anything by berating the system. You won't, and you know as such; particularly EMI'llneverseeawidebodyER, as you're position makes your comments utterly laughable. Why don't you go and fail somewhere else.
Grow up.
Now, we know you failed to make it. That's fine. You've said your piece, now piss off. You have nothing to contribute to this thread. You know very little about the deal, but worst, is that you, with bugger all experience as a pilot (and clearly as a human) think you can talk the deal down.
Due to your failure, you're bitter enough to pretend you know better than those who rejected you. Don't be an idiot. Just come back at a later date, and let everyone know where you are, and we'll do a thorough analysis against the CX cadet programme.
Like I've said before, I'm all for the retention of the previous contract, but my god, would those who've said their bit just bugger off, and let those who want to ask direct questions about the scheme do so, and let them be answered without the utter morons on this thread who think that they'll achieve anything by berating the system. You won't, and you know as such; particularly EMI'llneverseeawidebodyER, as you're position makes your comments utterly laughable. Why don't you go and fail somewhere else.
Grow up.
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point taken
Not necessary to do this (read if you want, you dont have to), but I don't want to make enemies nor do I want to continue to make a fool of myself. I would like to apologise to all the people on this forum for my recent childish behaviour (more recently, insulting Mrs Bernoulli). It has been raised to my attention that I have been getting out of hand with my posts, berating the scheme unnecessarily and insulting those above me who have more flying experience than I have life experience. I am just a kid, learning everyday, and I will not repeat the same mistakes in the future. The best I can do is correct the mistakes I've made and take advice from those above me, and offer information when I'm in the position to give it. So to those with questions regarding the scheme, there are plenty of people here who have information, and willing to provide, so you can make informed decisions. The debates have gone long enough, and the shooting downs have also gone long enough. The cadetship is there, nothing we can do about it, but offer help and those who want to take it can take it, those who don't want it can go their separate ways. I hope we all have an appreciation for the different opinions we have, and different beliefs. This is professional pilot rumour network, whether you are one or hope to be one, a professional demeanour must be shown, and I haven't been showing that. Good luck to everyone, tailwinds and happy landings. 
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Just as constructive issues were being discussed it ploughs back down again. It seems "some animals are more equal than others".
My arguement us against the misrepresentative rubbish and just plain lazy & ignorant questions that are posted here. Both are indicative of the standard of applicant CX now appeals to. The level of response (from the likes of myself admittedly) comes from the exact experience, hard work, "hard yards" & effort that is mocked by this entire CPP / iCadet scheme and many applicants as well as present iCadets.
Admittedly some of the same have come from the other side of the arguement.
Too many here only only want the answers they want to hear and fight tooth & nail from an unintelligent view point ("world's most sophisticated aircraft under the protection of superb ATC"!.... what a joke!)
Both arguments should be permitted but with that comes the realisation that others will disagree. Like I wrote before, I'm happy for a constructive difference of opinions BUT come at me & all that I've worked for & my mates at CX with utter fictional dribble, ridicule & uneducated, misinformed, self appointed omniscient made-up atrempts to defend a stance then I will respond.
"If" we all stood together, turned down this AND other bull$hit scams out their degrading our profession then WE ALL would benefit. I know, it's never happened in aviation that I'm aware of because of too many "ME FIRST, SCREW EVERYONE ELSE" attitudes so prevalent above. Or the perceived "need it all NOW & bugger the long term consequences". I'd pay to see how long that attitude lasted on a flightdeck with lanyard wearing AOA Capts & FO's!!
For some (HK nationals) this is a better package due the HKPA - but borne from the bastardised use of the Racial Discrimination Ordinance. (How many know about that, the AOA's stance & how management used it to LOWER the terms & conditions as such?) And if pilots hadn't of begun to stay away from the original CPP package then this HKPA would have not been introduced at all. "We" spoke with our feet & a better offer was presented out of necessity. Fact.
You want your opinion heard then allow the others the same.
PS: bonding for training is illegal in HK. Hence CX have deliberately & sneakily tarted it up as a "loan". As such a loan can be forcibly repayed. Like the RDO, CX found a means away from the original intent to screw & manipulate it to create a favorable outcome for those in CX management lining their own pockets.
My arguement us against the misrepresentative rubbish and just plain lazy & ignorant questions that are posted here. Both are indicative of the standard of applicant CX now appeals to. The level of response (from the likes of myself admittedly) comes from the exact experience, hard work, "hard yards" & effort that is mocked by this entire CPP / iCadet scheme and many applicants as well as present iCadets.
Admittedly some of the same have come from the other side of the arguement.
Too many here only only want the answers they want to hear and fight tooth & nail from an unintelligent view point ("world's most sophisticated aircraft under the protection of superb ATC"!.... what a joke!)
Both arguments should be permitted but with that comes the realisation that others will disagree. Like I wrote before, I'm happy for a constructive difference of opinions BUT come at me & all that I've worked for & my mates at CX with utter fictional dribble, ridicule & uneducated, misinformed, self appointed omniscient made-up atrempts to defend a stance then I will respond.
"If" we all stood together, turned down this AND other bull$hit scams out their degrading our profession then WE ALL would benefit. I know, it's never happened in aviation that I'm aware of because of too many "ME FIRST, SCREW EVERYONE ELSE" attitudes so prevalent above. Or the perceived "need it all NOW & bugger the long term consequences". I'd pay to see how long that attitude lasted on a flightdeck with lanyard wearing AOA Capts & FO's!!
For some (HK nationals) this is a better package due the HKPA - but borne from the bastardised use of the Racial Discrimination Ordinance. (How many know about that, the AOA's stance & how management used it to LOWER the terms & conditions as such?) And if pilots hadn't of begun to stay away from the original CPP package then this HKPA would have not been introduced at all. "We" spoke with our feet & a better offer was presented out of necessity. Fact.
You want your opinion heard then allow the others the same.
PS: bonding for training is illegal in HK. Hence CX have deliberately & sneakily tarted it up as a "loan". As such a loan can be forcibly repayed. Like the RDO, CX found a means away from the original intent to screw & manipulate it to create a favorable outcome for those in CX management lining their own pockets.
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A painful and truthful realisation to all the anti - CPP
It seems like the senior blokes are slowly grasping the fact that no matter how hard they try to stop the aspirant cpp interns. It's not going to change the wannabes views.
To Mrs Bernoulli, nobody cares that you view this forum as some political ambition, or what, what.
Like I've written before, whether you like it or not, they are plenty more people who will join this CPP
To Mrs Bernoulli, nobody cares that you view this forum as some political ambition, or what, what.
Like I've written before, whether you like it or not, they are plenty more people who will join this CPP
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Like I've written before, whether you like it or not, they are plenty more people who will join this CPP
It's a sham.
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At the risk of inviting a comedian.... could any fine soul define the role of 2nd Officer at Cathay please? Precisely what tasks they carry out before, during and after flight. Walk around? Cruise fuel log, ATC liason, nav log, wx avoidance, liase with CC and pax... etc? Paperwork assessments to be completed after each trip during line training??
Many thanks!
*Cringes*
VFE.
Many thanks!
*Cringes*
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I doubt this is how SOs are treated but it should be good enough for info regarding SO duties and what not.
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I doubt this is how SOs are treated but it should be good enough for info regarding SO duties and what not.
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S/O Duties
VFE at the risk of incoming from the vociferous minority here's the view from a CX LS driver
Turn up on time - for that, read early and properly rested
Be actively involved in the pre-flight planning - you are a full member of the crew and despite what some may think, your input IS valuable
Ensure the docs bag reaches the a/c with all the relevant paperwork and paraphernalia for the flight
Listen to the Capt's review of the maintenance log - again you are a full crew member
Usually, you will be expected to carry out the flight-deck safety/preparation check (Cb's, PA, Security, equipment etc)
Yes, it's expected that you'll prepare the bunks, although this is secondary to the operational pre-flight duties (some alternative initiatives are being explored such as getting the cleaning teams to make the bunks, but don't hold your breath)
During the start, departure, descent and arrival phases, active monitoring of the operation is required
During the cruise normally expect to assume PM duties - CFP, R/T comms and maintain situational awareness which includes anticipating actions for unexpected contingencies.
If you're in the seat with the Capt you have the opportunity to act as PF although this is clearly limited to managing the autopilot
Post flight - assist with tidying up the paperwork, charts etc and be responsible for ensuring the docs are returned to dispatch.
Return home and enjoy a long block of days off before repeating the process
I guess its not a particularly rewarding existence but if you can live with it on the rather abysmal terms being currently offered...
Turn up on time - for that, read early and properly rested
Be actively involved in the pre-flight planning - you are a full member of the crew and despite what some may think, your input IS valuable
Ensure the docs bag reaches the a/c with all the relevant paperwork and paraphernalia for the flight
Listen to the Capt's review of the maintenance log - again you are a full crew member
Usually, you will be expected to carry out the flight-deck safety/preparation check (Cb's, PA, Security, equipment etc)
Yes, it's expected that you'll prepare the bunks, although this is secondary to the operational pre-flight duties (some alternative initiatives are being explored such as getting the cleaning teams to make the bunks, but don't hold your breath)
During the start, departure, descent and arrival phases, active monitoring of the operation is required
During the cruise normally expect to assume PM duties - CFP, R/T comms and maintain situational awareness which includes anticipating actions for unexpected contingencies.
If you're in the seat with the Capt you have the opportunity to act as PF although this is clearly limited to managing the autopilot
Post flight - assist with tidying up the paperwork, charts etc and be responsible for ensuring the docs are returned to dispatch.
Return home and enjoy a long block of days off before repeating the process
I guess its not a particularly rewarding existence but if you can live with it on the rather abysmal terms being currently offered...
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Silent Running,
Many thanks for your brave reply! In your experience, are the opportunities to act as PF alongside the captain particularly common? Can SO's log any night flying as part of the requirements for unfreezing their ATPL if they are PF alongside the captain?
Thanks again,
*flak jackets back on*
VFE.
Many thanks for your brave reply! In your experience, are the opportunities to act as PF alongside the captain particularly common? Can SO's log any night flying as part of the requirements for unfreezing their ATPL if they are PF alongside the captain?
Thanks again,
*flak jackets back on*
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Logging Time
KPHL - Correct, seat occupied is as you described
VFE - All time as S/O in the seat is logged as P2X (cruise pilot rating) which counts at 50% rate toward licensing requirements.
...not sure about the night time issue, logic would dictate only time acting as PF would be acceptable, but when has logic had much to do with licensing!
Consider this though... night flying under FMC managed autopilot control hardly constitutes true night flying as required by FAA CAA or CAD licensing rules.
Maybe someone else has a clearer knowledge of the current night requirements for licensing and can assist.
SR
VFE - All time as S/O in the seat is logged as P2X (cruise pilot rating) which counts at 50% rate toward licensing requirements.
...not sure about the night time issue, logic would dictate only time acting as PF would be acceptable, but when has logic had much to do with licensing!
Consider this though... night flying under FMC managed autopilot control hardly constitutes true night flying as required by FAA CAA or CAD licensing rules.
Maybe someone else has a clearer knowledge of the current night requirements for licensing and can assist.
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Here is another thread on the SO situation / package, from present CX pilots:
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...-officers.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...-officers.html
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...and another more promising:
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...onditions.html
(Which is nothing other than what we should receive anyway....!)
With Emirates and Etihad's HUGE fleet expansion plans they are sending out roadshows all over the globe: including HK in the next few weeks. They are grabbing almost any pilot with "close to" their minimum requirements for DEFO positions, creating a hole for lesser experienced guys: yourselves.
Chinese carriers (regional and international) are very much the same with their recruitment needs.
Read what Slosar, the CX CEO is quoted as saying! It can't get anymore obvious than that. Don't sell yourself, your future or your industry out when with the slightest amount of patience will reap rewards more than double what the present offer is.
John Slosar:
(Highlighting done by me)
Non-bonded CX cadets, mainly HK nationals, are leaving CX for HK Airlines & other airlines due better Command potential and conditions. This "forgivable loan" (BOND!) prevents you from doing the same. What does that tell you?
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...onditions.html
IF ONLY YOU GUYS COULD SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE, SHOW THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF UNITY, PATIENCE AND REAP THE REWARDS!
(Which is nothing other than what we should receive anyway....!)
With Emirates and Etihad's HUGE fleet expansion plans they are sending out roadshows all over the globe: including HK in the next few weeks. They are grabbing almost any pilot with "close to" their minimum requirements for DEFO positions, creating a hole for lesser experienced guys: yourselves.
Chinese carriers (regional and international) are very much the same with their recruitment needs.
Read what Slosar, the CX CEO is quoted as saying! It can't get anymore obvious than that. Don't sell yourself, your future or your industry out when with the slightest amount of patience will reap rewards more than double what the present offer is.
John Slosar:
"One problem facing Cathay is the chronic pilot shortage, he said. "We trained 400 local people to be pilots over the last 15 to 20 years, about 50 to 70 now a year. It is our plan to do more but we will have to do it step by step. Hong Kong doesn't have a military, so we have to train most of them ourselves," he said.
"But it's a costly enterprise. Training a pilot costs about HK$1 million [US$128,000] just to get them up to be a second officer. It's quite a commitment, but probably it won't cover all of our growth requirements so we will source pilots elsewhere as well," he said."
"But it's a costly enterprise. Training a pilot costs about HK$1 million [US$128,000] just to get them up to be a second officer. It's quite a commitment, but probably it won't cover all of our growth requirements so we will source pilots elsewhere as well," he said."
Non-bonded CX cadets, mainly HK nationals, are leaving CX for HK Airlines & other airlines due better Command potential and conditions. This "forgivable loan" (BOND!) prevents you from doing the same. What does that tell you?
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Thanks Silent Running!
Does anyone have any opinions on Discovery Bay? Some reasonable single/double bed apartments there for around 17'000HKD/month. Not particularly bothered about living on the main island....
Regards,
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Does anyone have any opinions on Discovery Bay? Some reasonable single/double bed apartments there for around 17'000HKD/month. Not particularly bothered about living on the main island....
Regards,
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goto Hong Kong Property and Apartment, for Rent and for Sale - Hong Kong Realty
goto property search, select the area you prefer or for db --> the outlying islands district ----> discovery bay
and search for yourself.
goto property search, select the area you prefer or for db --> the outlying islands district ----> discovery bay
and search for yourself.
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Thanks GTC58, but I've already looked and know what's on offer, I was just wondering if anyone here has any views on DB?
Regards,
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Hi guys i am working in the aircraft maintenance industry, and i have attended an A320 engineer's type rating course, will they expect a lot from me in terms of aircraft systems & Engines during the interview?