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So at the end of the week we've gained a few pounds and our cholesterol levels gone mad. Why can't airline crew just eat what they want? It's easy for the Stansted BAA staff who can go for lunch and dinner during their breaks...
Today a big tent has been placed AIRSIDE at Stansted airport with a few barbeques where they cook hamburgers for BAA Security staff ONLY and us airline crew have all our food taking away by the same people!
, whats the betting they get their cellos's etc approved for carry on before you get your food supplies back to normal.Isn't it great that BALPA are really keeping the pressure up on this issue with all their press releases
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all very interesting to see the lengths to which these guys are putting pilots through...and passangers.
some of these people should be making science fiction movies....!!....come to think of it maybe they are..!!
but i have to wonder are the people who are intruducing such ridiculous measures reading these lines or are we talking to each other..!!!
some of these people should be making science fiction movies....!!....come to think of it maybe they are..!!
but i have to wonder are the people who are intruducing such ridiculous measures reading these lines or are we talking to each other..!!!
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Sandwitches only at stn?? What retarded muppet decided that sandwitches do not pose a threat whereas my tuna salad does? This is unreal people, UNREAL. I mean it's gone from darkly humourus do outright neanderthal. Is it illegal to tell a security guard to go f*ck himself in the UK? Because I seriously think I'll have difficulty restraining myself if they steal my food. STEAL my food , because that's exactly what it is. Theft.
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Staff food through Validation Points STANSTED
Since September 8th the following food can be taken airside by Airline Staff:
Sandwiches (incl with mayonnaise or sauce's)
Packet Snacks (Crisps etc)
Fresh or dried fruit
Vegetables
Only solid foods
Prohibited are:
Any liquid-based food
Frozen Meals
Pastas and food with gravy, sauces etc...
Jams / Syrups
Sauces
Pastes
Yoghurts
Rice Pudding
Ice / Ice cream
Soups (even in cartons)
Stews
Curry
Gravy
Butter / Margerine
Working for an airline where you bring your own food for the day, this basically means that you will have a very boring and unhealthy diet and live on sandwiches for the whole week....
Can anyone confirm that this policy is not applied in other BAA Airports, like Heathrow or Gatwick? Why would there be a difference here?
Sandwiches (incl with mayonnaise or sauce's)
Packet Snacks (Crisps etc)
Fresh or dried fruit
Vegetables
Only solid foods
Prohibited are:
Any liquid-based food
Frozen Meals
Pastas and food with gravy, sauces etc...
Jams / Syrups
Sauces
Pastes
Yoghurts
Rice Pudding
Ice / Ice cream
Soups (even in cartons)
Stews
Curry
Gravy
Butter / Margerine
Working for an airline where you bring your own food for the day, this basically means that you will have a very boring and unhealthy diet and live on sandwiches for the whole week....
Can anyone confirm that this policy is not applied in other BAA Airports, like Heathrow or Gatwick? Why would there be a difference here?
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One sandwich, with sheet explosive (the stuff you put in your shoes, remember?). Looks like cheese anyway, probably smells like it.
Add enough explosive paste (what, you don't watch Brainiac? Any self-respecting terrorist should).
Mask with a dab of mayo or chutney.
At the appropriate moment, peel off the top layer of soggy bread, deal the rest a smart smack with a celery stick (approved vegetable).
And Boom-Boom is your uncle.
Apocalypse Now?
It isn't the absurd dietary restrictions that concern me nor the lack of understanding of a modern airline pilot's lifestyle. What does concern me is the sight of heavily armed, flakjacketed policemen prowling the terminals of the London triangle of airports.
Are current aircrew not bothered by the daily sight of the Met.Police preparing for what seems to be "Apocalypse Now"? Has anybody asked what their 'rules of engagement' are? The Heckler & Koch is a machine-gun, this is an area suppression weapon, are the police seriously thinking of opening fire over the heads of passengers in a crowded airport terminal? Who are the potential enemy?, are the authorities seriously implying that they expect Al-Queda to storm the check-in counters?
If they don't,then daily we are witnessing intimidatory posturing on the part of the Met.Police & it should be stopped forthwith. The sight of armed police with their fingers hovering over triggers in the corridors of Heathrow frightens me more than the thought of Al-Queda does!
I have just returned from over two weeks flying around Europe & I haven't seen one flakjacketed/machine gun armed policeman. If the Continentals are happy with no flakjackets and a holstered pistol, why aren't the Met.Police?
Let's get back to normality, and normality is NO flakjacketed, machine-gun toting policemen in UK's major airports please.
Are current aircrew not bothered by the daily sight of the Met.Police preparing for what seems to be "Apocalypse Now"? Has anybody asked what their 'rules of engagement' are? The Heckler & Koch is a machine-gun, this is an area suppression weapon, are the police seriously thinking of opening fire over the heads of passengers in a crowded airport terminal? Who are the potential enemy?, are the authorities seriously implying that they expect Al-Queda to storm the check-in counters?
If they don't,then daily we are witnessing intimidatory posturing on the part of the Met.Police & it should be stopped forthwith. The sight of armed police with their fingers hovering over triggers in the corridors of Heathrow frightens me more than the thought of Al-Queda does!
I have just returned from over two weeks flying around Europe & I haven't seen one flakjacketed/machine gun armed policeman. If the Continentals are happy with no flakjackets and a holstered pistol, why aren't the Met.Police?
Let's get back to normality, and normality is NO flakjacketed, machine-gun toting policemen in UK's major airports please.
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This is of course the new Al Quaeda policy.
Foster a few plots, recruit a few misguided disgruntled fools.
Even if the actual plots don't come off, they still can sit back and watch the system tearing itself apart.
Curries, indeed......
Didin't BA say they already lost £40M in the process?
Maybe we should start looking inside the so-called "security services" for the real accomplices to the terrorists? They're doing a splendid job, so far!
Foster a few plots, recruit a few misguided disgruntled fools.
Even if the actual plots don't come off, they still can sit back and watch the system tearing itself apart.
Curries, indeed......
Didin't BA say they already lost £40M in the process?
Maybe we should start looking inside the so-called "security services" for the real accomplices to the terrorists? They're doing a splendid job, so far!
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Funnel Cloud that's the same list as at MAN. Madness.
There are also police pottering round with their machine guns at MAN, always have been as far as I remember. They don't frighten me, I find their prescence reassuring.
There are also police pottering round with their machine guns at MAN, always have been as far as I remember. They don't frighten me, I find their prescence reassuring.
At EG**, a well known centre for comedic security (See Balpa "LOG" magazine) I happened to find a 2.5 gallon tin marked "HIGHLY FLAMMABLE" at the bottom of the steps to Stand 10. Paint? M.E.K.? Dunno. 3 other tins and a very sharp builders' 12-inch trowel within 5 feet of the steps.
Security were kind enough to x-ray my shoelaces but unable to find the 500cc bottle of Dettox disinfectant spray in my small crew bag.
From my time as an instructor in this sort of stuff, the core idea of security is to make it obvious that "your" security is so robust that Mr Bad-guy will target someone else who is a softer touch. One of the reasons that I like to see heavily equipped Police standing in the airbride during boarding. Has a remarkable effect on pax!!!!! Very quiet.
Security were kind enough to x-ray my shoelaces but unable to find the 500cc bottle of Dettox disinfectant spray in my small crew bag.
From my time as an instructor in this sort of stuff, the core idea of security is to make it obvious that "your" security is so robust that Mr Bad-guy will target someone else who is a softer touch. One of the reasons that I like to see heavily equipped Police standing in the airbride during boarding. Has a remarkable effect on pax!!!!! Very quiet.
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Ok heres my 2p's worth (as airport security at a certain regional airport)...
Dont argue with or blame the security staff, we don't make the rules; DfT do and we comply with them. We cannot change/override them. Just stop packing the banned items (e.g. liquids, that includes lip glosses ladies!) it saves fussing.
Crew/Staff are NOT exempt, and if you start getting arrogant with us then you'll find yourself being clamped-down upon even more! We try to make things as quick and smooth as we can, whilst complying with the rules set for us. Please respect the fact we have a job to do, help us to help you! (The "but we were allowed to bring it through yesterday" routine doesnt work either, because the response will be along the lines of "well im on duty now and you aint taking it!")
As for identifying liquids, it is difficult as liquids are organic and are very often in plastic bottles which are also organic, thus show up the same colour as the bag itself, and any other organic content such as food, books etc. But it is manageable and theres no excuse if any security staff do not identify a liquid, no matter how small.
Nearly done..... we should all be singing from the same hymn sheet; into the RZ you can take SOLID food only. No liquids in ANY form (toothpaste, lighters, deodorant, gels, creams etc), unless prescribed medicine. Rules on sharp objects are the same as they were before. If you are based at an airport with a dedicated crew access point (like at the airport where I work) then if you happen to forget a liquid in your bag and you speak to the security staff nicely then they might let you pick it up when you return! We do... (I dont work for BAA though, maybe they arent as nice I dont know...)
Now, for passengers out there. DONT argue with us either because you'll get nowhere, only offloaded if you dont chill out. The rules are there to be adhered to, as I said; security staff cannot bend the rules. If you want to get tetchy with someone then contact the DfT!
FINALLY... Someone commented that they hope all airport staff are searched the same as passengers. Yes, anyone accessing the RZ (bar police officers, who have a warrant) are subject to search (even security staff).
Maybe Ive opened a can of worms, but I dont care
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Dont argue with or blame the security staff, we don't make the rules; DfT do and we comply with them. We cannot change/override them. Just stop packing the banned items (e.g. liquids, that includes lip glosses ladies!) it saves fussing.
Crew/Staff are NOT exempt, and if you start getting arrogant with us then you'll find yourself being clamped-down upon even more! We try to make things as quick and smooth as we can, whilst complying with the rules set for us. Please respect the fact we have a job to do, help us to help you! (The "but we were allowed to bring it through yesterday" routine doesnt work either, because the response will be along the lines of "well im on duty now and you aint taking it!")
As for identifying liquids, it is difficult as liquids are organic and are very often in plastic bottles which are also organic, thus show up the same colour as the bag itself, and any other organic content such as food, books etc. But it is manageable and theres no excuse if any security staff do not identify a liquid, no matter how small.
Nearly done..... we should all be singing from the same hymn sheet; into the RZ you can take SOLID food only. No liquids in ANY form (toothpaste, lighters, deodorant, gels, creams etc), unless prescribed medicine. Rules on sharp objects are the same as they were before. If you are based at an airport with a dedicated crew access point (like at the airport where I work) then if you happen to forget a liquid in your bag and you speak to the security staff nicely then they might let you pick it up when you return! We do... (I dont work for BAA though, maybe they arent as nice I dont know...)
Now, for passengers out there. DONT argue with us either because you'll get nowhere, only offloaded if you dont chill out. The rules are there to be adhered to, as I said; security staff cannot bend the rules. If you want to get tetchy with someone then contact the DfT!
FINALLY... Someone commented that they hope all airport staff are searched the same as passengers. Yes, anyone accessing the RZ (bar police officers, who have a warrant) are subject to search (even security staff).
Maybe Ive opened a can of worms, but I dont care
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'we don't make the rules; DfT do and we comply with them' - then if you've got more than 2 brain cells to rub together, why aren't YOU questionning these ridiculous rules and ACTIVELY reporting up the chain. If you are unable to see the futility of what you subject all flight, cabin and engineering staff to daily then you and those who think like you are part of the problem.
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Fair enough, BUT I have an airside pass!
I have been cleared to access my rightful place of employment airside, unlatch a 50 ton "missile" and fly it through the ........ air! Full of fuel and pax.
However I try to understand this idiocy which I have to go through every day, I can't.
I should be allowed to take whatever with me to airside, as my pass allows me to.
I have written to the idiots at dft, so far naff all reply!
I am a captain of an aircraft. Not a bloody terrorist. If I was one, I would have done my gruesome deed a while ago, so I don't have to go through this sh*t at the security every day!
Get this - a terrorist would have had enough by now and done the exploding curry/mayonnaise stuff. It's only innocents that get harrassed by security, it's easy pickings and not really security at all.
How many terrorists have you found in your career? None? Then what is it actually you're doing for a living?
It's just a stupid mess and people like yourself should stand up against it and refuse to carry on doing this!
Let us go to work peacefully, or please resign!
Fair enough, BUT I have an airside pass!
I have been cleared to access my rightful place of employment airside, unlatch a 50 ton "missile" and fly it through the ........ air! Full of fuel and pax.
However I try to understand this idiocy which I have to go through every day, I can't.
I should be allowed to take whatever with me to airside, as my pass allows me to.
I have written to the idiots at dft, so far naff all reply!
I am a captain of an aircraft. Not a bloody terrorist. If I was one, I would have done my gruesome deed a while ago, so I don't have to go through this sh*t at the security every day!
Get this - a terrorist would have had enough by now and done the exploding curry/mayonnaise stuff. It's only innocents that get harrassed by security, it's easy pickings and not really security at all.
How many terrorists have you found in your career? None? Then what is it actually you're doing for a living?
It's just a stupid mess and people like yourself should stand up against it and refuse to carry on doing this!
Let us go to work peacefully, or please resign!
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'we don't make the rules; DfT do and we comply with them' - then if you've got more than 2 brain cells to rub together, why aren't YOU questionning these ridiculous rules and ACTIVELY reporting up the chain.
Fair enough, BUT I have an airside pass!
I have been cleared to access my rightful place of employment airside, unlatch a 50 ton "missile" and fly it through the ........ air! Full of fuel and pax.
However I try to understand this idiocy which I have to go through every day, I can't.
I should be allowed to take whatever with me to airside, as my pass allows me to.
I have been cleared to access my rightful place of employment airside, unlatch a 50 ton "missile" and fly it through the ........ air! Full of fuel and pax.
However I try to understand this idiocy which I have to go through every day, I can't.
I should be allowed to take whatever with me to airside, as my pass allows me to.
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I agree, you do have control over the whole aircraft and effectively it is a missle, but you are wrong in what you say regarding being able to take whatever you want.
So, I am a trusted member of an airport, but not quite???.
Where does my pass say that then? Partially trusted access only????
I should be able to take food because of that. Lipstick because of that, as I blatantly don't intend to kill any of my passengers that way!!!
THINK THINK THINK.