Airport Security (Merged) - Effects on Crew/Staff
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E mails fired off. feel better already.
latest silly "rules"
1. tube of sealant in glove box of van.made to put it in rear of van then ok!!
2. liquids forbidden at my base but some airport employees allowed sealed drinks ,milk etc so firemen and ATC are ok I am not.
3.pilot refused entry with 2 bannanas. 1 was fine.
back after 2 days off tommorow,wonder what new rules we will have?
latest silly "rules"
1. tube of sealant in glove box of van.made to put it in rear of van then ok!!
2. liquids forbidden at my base but some airport employees allowed sealed drinks ,milk etc so firemen and ATC are ok I am not.
3.pilot refused entry with 2 bannanas. 1 was fine.
back after 2 days off tommorow,wonder what new rules we will have?
IMHO this is all cocky sh1t. Do we need anything to take out our aircraft? I am SO sick of this half assed security crap looking into my nav bag, asking about charts - dear God, I fly aeroplanes and need to navigate the bloody thing to my destination. I am over it. The bad guys are winning. Bugger, I want to see them lose!!!
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Pilot Airside Pass Revoked For having 'Prohibited Article'
I have heard a rumour that the airside pass of a pilot has been permanently taken away for being found carrying a dangerous prohibited article like toothpaste. Anybody know any more? If that is the case and he is a member of BALPA what should be done? If he was a member of the TGWU I can guess what would happen.
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When will these idiots clue in? We don't need any toothpaste,boxcutters,nailclippers or anything else.We have access to the fire axe, and also to the biggest lethal weapon of all, fully laden with fuel
Why are we being subjected to all of this bull****? Can somebody tell me why it's really necessary?
Why are we being subjected to all of this bull****? Can somebody tell me why it's really necessary?
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Can somebody tell me why it's really necessary?
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What really makes me laugh is when I’m at work I get the full metal detector/manual search routine but when I’m travelling off duty and they recognise me I don’t get searched. What the f……?
Kirk out.
Kirk out.
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Not wanting to piss on your chips chaps, but such a move would not be possible as you are unable to take industrial action against the government and their proxies, ie. the MacJobsworth who work in security. Political action, yes - but we don't get a vote for a while yet. Such a move can only be taken against the employer.
However, if the people in Aviation Prevention (aka Security) make it so that we are unable to take appropriate items through the borders of their little empires, then the planes don't fly. Return to the Crew Room and make it your company's problem. And don't forget to tell the passengers why the flight was delayed and tell them to write to their MP to complain, because after all, they were only doing their job in Security!
Also, don't go easy on these people in areas away from their magic arches either . Their performance is generally woefully inadequate at the best of time by their stations, almost non-existent away. So bring to their attention loose items of fixtures and fittings left lying around the departure lounges (found large lump of metal last week) that can be used as weapons, tools left by workmen, etc. In fact, do your bit to help them do their job - and make sure that you get their name, and confirm it in writing. When they let up, maybe, but we are talking about security here, maybe you can let up! Security are my friends, but they don't seem to love me very much!
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However, if the people in Aviation Prevention (aka Security) make it so that we are unable to take appropriate items through the borders of their little empires, then the planes don't fly. Return to the Crew Room and make it your company's problem. And don't forget to tell the passengers why the flight was delayed and tell them to write to their MP to complain, because after all, they were only doing their job in Security!
Also, don't go easy on these people in areas away from their magic arches either . Their performance is generally woefully inadequate at the best of time by their stations, almost non-existent away. So bring to their attention loose items of fixtures and fittings left lying around the departure lounges (found large lump of metal last week) that can be used as weapons, tools left by workmen, etc. In fact, do your bit to help them do their job - and make sure that you get their name, and confirm it in writing. When they let up, maybe, but we are talking about security here, maybe you can let up! Security are my friends, but they don't seem to love me very much!
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I fear that industrial action will at best hurt our company's. and thus fail to meet it's purpose. I hope BALPA can on the basis of good argument on our behalf make a change. I think we should feed BALPA with our complaints and suggestions. If this were to fall to deaf man's ears we may consider some form of action that would get the attention of the press (read public opinion) without causing harm to the indusrty. I can even think of a few actions that would possibly create a smile even.
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Yes!!!!!!!!
Had my bottle of Tobasco sauce (three drops remaining) taken off me at staff security LGW yesterday.......... how am I going to be able to eat our crew food now.Well at least I feel better knowing that as a Tobascoless pilot I am no longer considered a threat to aviation.
Had my bottle of Tobasco sauce (three drops remaining) taken off me at staff security LGW yesterday.......... how am I going to be able to eat our crew food now.Well at least I feel better knowing that as a Tobascoless pilot I am no longer considered a threat to aviation.
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Hmmmmm...our industry is crippled by high oil prices and the costs associated with these security processes and we are considering tipping ourselves over the edge with job action? Perhaps I am missing something, but I'd rather give up my Tabasco than my income.
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Yes, BALPA should be threatening industrial action if only to put pressure on the idiots who have formulated these non-sensical measures. The threat of grinding aviation to halt should be enough to provoke a re-think.
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Security staff need to treat everyone equally that way they can go home from a hard day at work safe in the knowledge that the terrorist who drove his aeroplane into a school had bad breath and rotting gums.
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What if you are not a pilot but a terrorist in disguise?
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Just a question from an ignorant, ground-based numpty about the numerous postings that I see suggesting that pilots should not be subject to security checks.
What about the scenario in which a pilot who is part of a plot carried a bomb through security because he/she is not searched, then passed it on to someone else on a different flight to detonate? Thus, security would have been breached in the worst possible way, but there would be no way to track down how this had happened. The pilot who smuggled the bomb through could thus do so again (and again, and again).
It seems to me, in my utter ignorance, that the security checks on flight crew might be to avoid this sort of event.
Am I way off the plot (apologies if so)?
Dr Dave
What about the scenario in which a pilot who is part of a plot carried a bomb through security because he/she is not searched, then passed it on to someone else on a different flight to detonate? Thus, security would have been breached in the worst possible way, but there would be no way to track down how this had happened. The pilot who smuggled the bomb through could thus do so again (and again, and again).
It seems to me, in my utter ignorance, that the security checks on flight crew might be to avoid this sort of event.
Am I way off the plot (apologies if so)?
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Pilots are not asking for exemption from security Dr Dave. We have no problem with walking through a metal detector and having our bags screened. That has been in place for donkeys years. What we do have a problem with is having things like toothpaste removed from us a hazard to aviation when we have the ultimate say on where the aeroplane we are flying ends up.
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nothing but the security~~~
Oh~
Never make a question in front of "NATIONAL SECURITY"
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Never mess up with two mighty dumbs on both side of the Atlantic.
Everything is matter of security.
but I wonder 'for what and for whom'
Do they really believe that we are safer than Sep 11?
Never make a question in front of "NATIONAL SECURITY"
.Never mess up with two mighty dumbs on both side of the Atlantic.
Everything is matter of security.
but I wonder 'for what and for whom'
Do they really believe that we are safer than Sep 11?
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Orion Man
You might not be, but others have in various other recent threads. For example in a recent thread:
"18th August 2006, 19:18 #5
Airbrake
I am sure we can all give examples of the ridiculous security checks we as crew have to go through. However, I really do think it is crazy that as a pilot I have to walk through security in my socks, just incase I have some type of device in my shoes! It is similar to the tanker driver who had a bottle of Ribenna confiscated from him as he drove 45 000 litres of jet fuel through an airport gate."
And to reply to ceightoz, no we are clearly not safer, and the current arrangements are a farce. However, security is about risk management, not risk avoidance, and getting staff to go through security is an element of this management process. Other elements are, frankly, ridiculous.
Dr Dave
You might not be, but others have in various other recent threads. For example in a recent thread:
"18th August 2006, 19:18 #5
Airbrake
I am sure we can all give examples of the ridiculous security checks we as crew have to go through. However, I really do think it is crazy that as a pilot I have to walk through security in my socks, just incase I have some type of device in my shoes! It is similar to the tanker driver who had a bottle of Ribenna confiscated from him as he drove 45 000 litres of jet fuel through an airport gate."
And to reply to ceightoz, no we are clearly not safer, and the current arrangements are a farce. However, security is about risk management, not risk avoidance, and getting staff to go through security is an element of this management process. Other elements are, frankly, ridiculous.
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Well, here in the states, they're pushing for a "trusted traveler" program. This will allow certain passengers (high time flyers, I'm sure) to bypass security and breeze their way thru. I'm not sure if they'll use retinal scanners, or thumbprint scanners, or what.
All I know is, if they don't get the crewmembers on this program...something is VERY wrong. For pilots (many who are current or ex-military- holding top secret security clearances--back and forth on deployments to the 'hot spots') NOT to be included in this program would really demonstrate how screwed up things are.
If we're NOT included, I will NEVER move to the front of the line (queue), if my van from the layover hotel is late. I will get in the back of the line and wait. If ALL pilots followed this technique, things might change.
All I know is, if they don't get the crewmembers on this program...something is VERY wrong. For pilots (many who are current or ex-military- holding top secret security clearances--back and forth on deployments to the 'hot spots') NOT to be included in this program would really demonstrate how screwed up things are.
If we're NOT included, I will NEVER move to the front of the line (queue), if my van from the layover hotel is late. I will get in the back of the line and wait. If ALL pilots followed this technique, things might change.