UK Police helicopter budget cuts
2896 I know nothing.
But......
I think you will find that the next edition of a certain publication will make mention of there being a gap in The Dream Team that became effective year end.
Shhhhhh
Where was the funding information you mentioned.... which stone should I look under?
But......
I think you will find that the next edition of a certain publication will make mention of there being a gap in The Dream Team that became effective year end.
Shhhhhh
Where was the funding information you mentioned.... which stone should I look under?
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Enough of this seasonal frivolity, by the way, the IPCC behind you wouldn't be too bad because if you had the alternative (NPAS is behind you) then;
Oh....You better watch out,
You better not cry.
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why.
NPAS is comin' to town,
NPAS is comin' to town,
Nnnn..P..A...S.. is comin' ........to town.
More smoke and mirrors?
http://www.thisisretford.co.uk
I guess nobody noticed that Sheffields ac wasn't going to be there to fill in any gaps and the one helicopter available in that area will have a larger borderless area to cover.
Isn't Retford in Nottinghamshire?
Uuum, if the base is staying at Ripley, the distance to Retford remains the same. Surely it will still be supported by the same ac from the same base!
The Sheffield ac would be closer, but is being taken away.
So with the 'Nottinghamshire ac' being available to other counties, the service to places like Retford could actually become worse, especially as it will then on call for jobs in Sheffield!
Oh....You better watch out,
You better not cry.
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why.
NPAS is comin' to town,
NPAS is comin' to town,
Nnnn..P..A...S.. is comin' ........to town.
More smoke and mirrors?
http://www.thisisretford.co.uk
Helicopter service will benefit town: Notts Police welcomes national plan
RETFORD will receive better police helicopter coverage when a new national scheme is approved, says the county's force.
Notts Police has welcomed the formation of a national police helicopter service.
Under the plans, announced on Tuesday this week, the helicopter currently serving Notts and Derbyshire will become one of 23 aircraft operating under a borderless deployment basis covering the entire country.
It means whichever helicopter is nearest to a particular incident will be called on to attend, even if it is happening outside of the county where it is based.
RETFORD will receive better police helicopter coverage when a new national scheme is approved, says the county's force.
Notts Police has welcomed the formation of a national police helicopter service.
Under the plans, announced on Tuesday this week, the helicopter currently serving Notts and Derbyshire will become one of 23 aircraft operating under a borderless deployment basis covering the entire country.
It means whichever helicopter is nearest to a particular incident will be called on to attend, even if it is happening outside of the county where it is based.
"NPAS means that we will always have a helicopter to call upon. It also means better coverage for places which are further from Ripley, such as Glossop and Retford."
Uuum, if the base is staying at Ripley, the distance to Retford remains the same. Surely it will still be supported by the same ac from the same base!
The Sheffield ac would be closer, but is being taken away.
So with the 'Nottinghamshire ac' being available to other counties, the service to places like Retford could actually become worse, especially as it will then on call for jobs in Sheffield!
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2896 - Correct O.D. no longer part of NPAS.
PAN - Agree totally about your sentiments concerning Colerne. This was not visited at all and no contact has been made in any way with them about NPAS plans!
PAN - Agree totally about your sentiments concerning Colerne. This was not visited at all and no contact has been made in any way with them about NPAS plans!
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Why is it every time I hear the word "cluster", I always (mentally) add a four letter word after it, as if the two invariably belong together in some way.
This is turning out to be a classic one!
"Right hand this is Left hand, over, shall we chat sensibly via Brain as normal, or just wave at each other inanely?"
This is turning out to be a classic one!
"Right hand this is Left hand, over, shall we chat sensibly via Brain as normal, or just wave at each other inanely?"
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OK, all you armchair quarterbacks, how would you save 13 million off the police aviation budget?
2896;
I was told yesterday that NPAS have been given the green light for their fighting funds which will be £16m over 4 years.
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A good start would be to avoid knee jerk reactions and get aviation experts in to do the job. There IS and always was a need to do things more efficiently. Small (too small) steps had already been taken in the bulk(ish) buy of aircraft recently. Centralising pilotage and engineering would help as well, with many different companies providing the services.
There is no doubt that some areas had more coverage than others, however instead of looking at 'total' geographical coverage, you should assess DEMAND; The busiest areas seem to be the ones sacrificing services.
Ultimately, this alone would not be enough and the network would have to lose some capability. However, they should once again look at DEMAND and risk manage. Circles on maps do not account for historical areas of bad weather. Example, North Wales will not be able to do a straight line for Caernarfon at night/in winter for the majority of the year! The circles say they can!! Substitute that for other areas.
Also, Merseyside will bleed the surrounding services with their high demand. If the ac is over Liverpool, what happens if a job comes in from say, east manchester? What I am trying to say is that these circles show where ONE aircraft can go from a standing start. If it is 20 minutes south and a new job comes in 20 minutes North................
I don't believe that anyone here does not accept that cuts are going to happen. They just want to make sure it is done properly.
There is no doubt that some areas had more coverage than others, however instead of looking at 'total' geographical coverage, you should assess DEMAND; The busiest areas seem to be the ones sacrificing services.
Ultimately, this alone would not be enough and the network would have to lose some capability. However, they should once again look at DEMAND and risk manage. Circles on maps do not account for historical areas of bad weather. Example, North Wales will not be able to do a straight line for Caernarfon at night/in winter for the majority of the year! The circles say they can!! Substitute that for other areas.
Also, Merseyside will bleed the surrounding services with their high demand. If the ac is over Liverpool, what happens if a job comes in from say, east manchester? What I am trying to say is that these circles show where ONE aircraft can go from a standing start. If it is 20 minutes south and a new job comes in 20 minutes North................
I don't believe that anyone here does not accept that cuts are going to happen. They just want to make sure it is done properly.
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Very wise words from jayteeto.
The magic sentence seems to me to be, "A good start would be to avoid knee jerk reactions and get aviation experts in to do the job."
Units around the country have already been striving to get more borderless/nearest ac type agreements set up. All that this NPAS descision has done is halt any progress, and thrown the proverbial bull into the china shop. Lets not forget that those damages need to be paid for, in this case new bases, contracts, lost investments, etc.
I'm sure that within not too long, CCAOU, WMAOU, EMAOU & NMAOU may have all come under the CMPG, or similar joint operating collective umbrella. The whole of the central UK would be covered, with savings made and operational effectiveness improved. I believe that similar arrangements have already been going on all over the country.
If earlier figures are correct, doesnt it seem sooo wrong to spend more money implementing a system to save money, than the amount of money you are trying to save.
Would you pay £16 for a '£15 off' voucher at the shops?
The magic sentence seems to me to be, "A good start would be to avoid knee jerk reactions and get aviation experts in to do the job."
Units around the country have already been striving to get more borderless/nearest ac type agreements set up. All that this NPAS descision has done is halt any progress, and thrown the proverbial bull into the china shop. Lets not forget that those damages need to be paid for, in this case new bases, contracts, lost investments, etc.
I'm sure that within not too long, CCAOU, WMAOU, EMAOU & NMAOU may have all come under the CMPG, or similar joint operating collective umbrella. The whole of the central UK would be covered, with savings made and operational effectiveness improved. I believe that similar arrangements have already been going on all over the country.
If earlier figures are correct, doesnt it seem sooo wrong to spend more money implementing a system to save money, than the amount of money you are trying to save.
Would you pay £16 for a '£15 off' voucher at the shops?
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All that this NPAS descision has done is halt any progress
Boss can we have some new flying suits mines got holes in. " erm no we will have to wait to see what the national picture will want. We will all need to have the same"
Boss whats happening about security of the aircraft are we getting any extra training or kit. (exact meaning removed, but those in the know will know) " erm no we will have to wait to see what the national picture will want. We will all need to have the same"
Boss whats happening with the cold water rescue training. Can we do any. " erm no we will have to wait to see what the national picture will want. We will all need to have the same"
Boss we need some new observers training some are leaving some cause there old can we recruit " erm no we will have to wait to see what the national picture will want. We will all need to have the same"
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He's running!
For those who need cheering up in the ASU world here is a clip that should do it. I bet they were rolling around the cockpit laughing!
I've even seen another landshark get the sack for a very similar incident, but that one bit a cop instead of the runner!
At least they got it all on tape
I've even seen another landshark get the sack for a very similar incident, but that one bit a cop instead of the runner!
At least they got it all on tape
Lynx,
Very many thanks, loved watching that. Should've followed W Mids 'lead' (sry) and employed Rottweilers. There used to be a lovely clip of AD82 on the W Mids site, bringing a very long and dangerous pursuit (absolute nutter of a white-van driver) to an end. At the end of the clip, once the Rotty had been persuaded to let go of WVM, the dog could be seen eyeing a pony at the other end of the field and pondering whether it would do in lieu of lunch.
Very many thanks, loved watching that. Should've followed W Mids 'lead' (sry) and employed Rottweilers. There used to be a lovely clip of AD82 on the W Mids site, bringing a very long and dangerous pursuit (absolute nutter of a white-van driver) to an end. At the end of the clip, once the Rotty had been persuaded to let go of WVM, the dog could be seen eyeing a pony at the other end of the field and pondering whether it would do in lieu of lunch.
I never managed to get a copy but the best 'bad dog' one I ever saw was from the Met Police ASU at least 20 years ago [so probably AS355N] .... scene a suburban back gaden.... FLIR picture of a search using a dog..... white heat.... you could easily see the suspect hiding in the bushes by a shed and hear the helicopter observer trying to direct both the dog and its handler to the glowing target.... back and forth they go past the heat source at a distance of 2-3 feet. They just did not connect...
Eventually the clearly distracted K9 walks up to the back of the garden and squats...... depositing a glowing 'torpedo' on the garden .......
Eventually coaxed back to the [other] job in hand .... there was a repeat of the failure to find the target..... the scene eventually ends with the dog handler picking up the dog and throwing it at the target still hiding in the bush!
Arrest made!
Someone must have a copy out there somewhere....
I must admit to witnessing numerous instances of dogs behaving badly.... when compared with helicopters they were about as reliable!
Eventually the clearly distracted K9 walks up to the back of the garden and squats...... depositing a glowing 'torpedo' on the garden .......
Eventually coaxed back to the [other] job in hand .... there was a repeat of the failure to find the target..... the scene eventually ends with the dog handler picking up the dog and throwing it at the target still hiding in the bush!
Arrest made!
Someone must have a copy out there somewhere....
I must admit to witnessing numerous instances of dogs behaving badly.... when compared with helicopters they were about as reliable!
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I now understand why D and C went for the 145, enough room for the dog team in the back
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How about this then?
Careless cops lose police dog
- Careless cops lose police dog
Talk about history repeating itself, c/o wikki;
...and back to the earlier question, "OK, all you armchair quarterbacks, how would you save 13 million off the police aviation budget?"
Apparently there are 2500 police dogs in the country, at £4k a time, lets push out some A5 flyers reminding handlers to close cage doors.
That's £10 million taken care of!
A £4 MILLION helicopter and ‘extensive police resources’ were used after bungling cops lost a valuable police dog.
The police helicopter, which costs between £500-£1,000 an hour to keep airborne, was used for around four hours, according to eye witnesses, to locate the dog in Denbigh, along with ‘four police cars, an unmarked police car and officers on foot patrol.’
The police helicopter, which costs between £500-£1,000 an hour to keep airborne, was used for around four hours, according to eye witnesses, to locate the dog in Denbigh, along with ‘four police cars, an unmarked police car and officers on foot patrol.’
Talk about history repeating itself, c/o wikki;
One of the first real attempts to use dogs to aid police in the detection of crime and the apprehension of a criminal was in 1888 when two bloodhounds were used in a simple tracking test set by the then Commissioner of the Metropolitan (London) Police, Sir Charles Warren with a view to using them in the hunt for the Victorian murderer, Jack the Ripper. The results were far from satisfactory, with one of the hounds biting the Commissioner and both dogs later running off requiring a police search to find them.
...and back to the earlier question, "OK, all you armchair quarterbacks, how would you save 13 million off the police aviation budget?"
Apparently there are 2500 police dogs in the country, at £4k a time, lets push out some A5 flyers reminding handlers to close cage doors.
That's £10 million taken care of!